Good luck to SNP MP Mhairi Black

[claig]

She is phenomenal - just 20 years old, SNP MP.

"I'm not the one who should be nervous, the people who are responsible for so much poverty and so much struggle in people's lives, they're the ones who should be nervous becase they're the ones who are going to held accountable for all the damage that they do to people"

Thet are going to shake our usual spinners up. They won't know what hit them. The SNP have some great women MPs - saw some of them on TV over the weekendm a real breath of fresh air - they are going to shake things up and not put up with the bowing and doffing of caps crap.

They don't conform to the traditional profile of our useless lot. This is a bit like the movie "Mr Smith Goes to Washington". I can't remember what happens in that movie though.

I'm puzzled at your (repeated) use of the word "shameful", as if there is some sort of moral aspect to Mhairi having her new job. Can you elaborate?

OK I'll try and then I'm going to bed. I think there is a moral aspect - politicians can have differences of opinions but there has to be a bottom line in terms of standards if behaviour. I think it's about common decency - I know they frequently don't live up to expectations but we generally learn about bad behaviour somewhere down the line, not before they have even started. When I heard Jim Murphy make his speech in defeat I was genuinely moved because he was articulate and thoughtful and he even quoted poetry. If you contrast that with a twenty year old who threatens physical violence it is scary. This girl is raw, maybe she has passion and even conviction but that's not enough. So shameful is a reference to a political climate that expects so little of its politicians that all you have to do is spout a political line. Shameful is a reflection on a political system that doesn't demand minimum standards from its representatives. In terms of class I think it is patronising to assume that the Working class don't deserve better than this because in my opinion common decency transcends classes and we should aspire for more than what she has alas hitherto demonstrated. If I am angry it is because there was a cull of some pretty decent politicians and I think it a very scary political climate at the moment. Love and peace.

Thank you for your thoughtful response. I'll not pick an argument with you at this time of night, sleep well. :)

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Rev Stu.

"What is happening to our young people? They disrespect their elders, they disobey their parents. They ignore the law. They riot in the streets inflamed with wild notions. Their morals are decaying. What is to become of them?" Plato, 4th Century BC

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This gives me confidence she'll be a force for good in Westminster

Excellent speech. She seems like a young Galloway. I don't like Galloway now, but he was a good speaker once upon a time.

I don't agree with the SNP. I think they are poltically correct socialists and I am from Essex in England and we don't like politically correct socialists. I believe in UKIP common sense. But that doesn't mean that I can't recognise talent when I see it and I think she will give our MP spinners a run for their money because of her passion, convinction and talent.

Christ, don't wish any comparison with Galloway on her!

(Galloway, if you like that kind of thing - and I don't - is still quite a charismatic speaker, in the same way that Farage is charismatic: talks confident, rabble-rousing, bombastic bullshit and tells his target audience exactly what they want to hear, in exactly the way they'd like to hear it. But even before his current and total descent into whatever the narcissistic hell he is now, he always was a bombastic speaker, and I found that repulsed me, even then. It's not a quality to aim for.)

"Christ, don't wish any comparison with Galloway on her!"

I was just thinking that, that's the worst insult I've seen on this thread, lol.

I don't like Galloway because I think he is false, but there was a time that some of his speeches made sense. From what I have seen of Tommy Sheridan, he is better than Galloway because he seems more genuine, but I don't see enough of him to really know. She seems to be in a similar tradition of very forceful effective speakers, and even if she is wrong, it makes for good debate, engagement and politics and is a challenge to the Establishment, as she says in that speech.

Um...Tommy Sheridan and genuine do not belong in the same sentence claig.

OK, I must admit i don't see enough of him to really know. I will shut up for now. I am losing my reputation for speaking common sense.

George Galloway and my cousin started out there political careers together, and they were the best of friends.

I've known George since I was 16 and I canvassed for both him and my cousin the first time they stood for election.

Both George and my cousin were working class young men who would never have behaved the way she does at the same age.

Weebirdie, don't say who your cousin is, but did your cousin make it to become a Labour MP?

But would you canvass for him now, Weebirdie?

Galloway and Sheridan have a lot in common. Both misogynist, both egotists. I suspect Mhairi Black would have some strong words for both of them.

(With apologies to the poster who knew Galloway as a young man. Maybe power does corrupt.)

On the other hand, Galloway now has many, many years on Mhairi and his behaviour towards Naz Shah is significantly more worthy of contempt that anything Mhairi has done or is perceived to have done.

Claig - the SNP are definitely not socialist

'the SNP are definitely not socialist'

You are probably right but 'named person' legislation seems like socialism to me.

Strange, the "named person" thing is what usually gets the SNP described as facists!

George and Tommy used to be best pals.

If by 'socialist' you mean centralising. Them I'd say the SNP are socialist. The SNP Holyrood administration has been very much about centralised big government.

It depends what you mean by socialist really , their policies (though not necessarily what they put through in Scotland) have moved quite far left compared to the main parties, they do like to centralise things and they have adopted things like universal benefits (in a free school meals, free prescription not welfare benefits way) and of course the whole named person thing and similar state intervention policies. (Though yes, that is what usually gets them called fascist)

Controversially on here, I think the named person is a good idea.

Why do you like it Tabula? (Genuinely curious, because i can't decide whether it's good or bad)

I resent the implication that some person who might barely know my dc, will be better able than I am, to decide what is best for them.

I also worry that this could take focus and resources away from children who do need the extra support and care.