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An open letter to everyone who voted Conservative

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blacksunday · 10/05/2015 07:19

To everyone who voted conservative yesterday,

I hope you’re happy. Actually that’s a lie, I really don’t. But before you sit smugly down and give yourself a big pat on the back I’d like to ask you a few questions.

Do you think you haven’t benefitted from the system you are currently trying to break down? As a child, did you ever go to hospital? Have you had an education? Did you ever use a library? Have you ever been on a bus? If so, you have benefited from a system which subsidises facilities with taxes. And now you have, you are willing to take it away from everyone after you. Correct me if I’m wrong but that doesn’t seem very fair. You cannot have socialism and a support system when you need it but then be unwilling to support it for other people.

Now if you are someone who has used the private sector more than public services then I also want to know a few things. If you went to private school, or used private medical care as a child, did you pay for it yourself? Now I’m not asking if your parents paid for it, but you personally. I’m guessing the answer is no. So can you genuinely say you worked hard to get these privileges? No baby earns the right to an education. No child works hard to be born into a particular family who can afford healthcare. So why do you think one person is more deserving than another? If you value working hard and getting on how can you see this as fair? Do you really want to live in a world where children are deemed more worthy of education and healthcare based on what family they come from?

If you are someone who uses a lot of private, who are you? Are you one of the 1% who are currently getting richer? If so, are you ok with the fact that your benefit is someone else’s misery, someone’s poverty, someone’s lack of care? Are you ok with the fact that while you got a pay rise 900,000 people had to go to food banks because they literally didn’t have enough money to feed themselves to survive? Do you really believe that you work harder than these people?

If you aren’t one of these few people benefitting from this system then why have you voted for it? Conservatives use rhetoric of working hard and fairness but this is simply not the reality. If you start life without a lot, to get out of that is hard. “Success” stories are pinned up to show that if you work hard you get somewhere. But they are stories because they are anomalies. To come from a background of little education or money and to get a career you want is not the common way, and you can’t do it without a benefit system. We do not live in a system where if you work hard you get somewhere, the system the conservatives are creating means that if you start off well off you stay that way. Because someone who goes to a private school with tiny class sizes and one on one help does not have to work as hard as someone at an underachieving state school with over worked underpaid staff and huge classes. They just don’t.

Now if you are either one of these types of people you have to question whether you really do believe in what you have voted for. Because in voting conservative you are saying you are happy with the last 5 years. You are endorsing food banks. You are endorsing cutting care for the elderly and the mentally ill. You are endorsing a party where over half the MPs voted against gay marriage. You are saying yes to the NHS being privatised. You are saying you are happy with people being put off education based not on ability or passion but by money. You are saying yes to victimising the poor and disabled and scapegoating people based on where they come from. You are saying that you are ok with the incredible inequality in our country today and you are saying you want more of it.

I do not wish poverty on anyone. It is a cruel and harsh life. But what I do wish for you is that you at least experience it. If not first hand, that you witness the harsh trapping reality that is poverty. The gruelling cycle that doesn’t allow a parent to feed their children. That doesn’t allow for parents to feed themselves. And that you see that this is people who are working. People with jobs. And if they aren’t I hope you see that a life on benefits is not the picnic people make it out to be. Nobody wants to be on benefits. Maybe if you see this you will see what you have voted for.

And if you are ok with all of this then you make me sick. I can’t put it any other way. I am so ashamed to come from a country where this is apparently what the majority think. That the majority of people are too selfish to accept any form of tax rise to support those in our society who need help makes me so incredibly sad. Truly you should be ashamed of yourself that you can so heartlessly put yourself first and not see the consequences. I hope that in the next 5 years you fully appreciate what you did yesterday. I hope you know what you have supported and I hope one day you feel guilty. Because I am scared of what the next 5 years will bring and you should be too.

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blacksunday · 10/05/2015 10:24

OP - so you seriously believe that now we have a Tory government they are going to abolish the welfare system, abolish the NHS and close all state school schools?? You are talking utter nonsense!

The welfare system is already being dismantled. The huge rise in food banks, child poverty, homelessness and suicides is evidence of this.

The NHS is already being privatised. This started to happen under Labour and continued at an accelerated pace under the coalition. After five more years, the NHS will be unrecognisable.

I don't know enough about Tory plans for state schools to comment. Although I am aware that every person I've or talked to in higher education thinks Gove was a clueless fool with no idea about how education works.

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Guirado · 10/05/2015 10:32

The welfare system is seriously bloated, it was part of Labours plan to have as many people as possible dependent on benefits especially in work benefits. All tax credits do is subsidise employees so they work for a pittance while the shareholders reap the profits.
The perceived increase in child poverty is relative. Food banks have always been available but have been publicised like never before. Now people know about them potential claimants can actually ask to be referred, they won't always be referred but plenty will.

The bedroom tax was first mooted by Labour and would have been introduced by them had they got power in 2010.

The Conservatives have promised not to increase tax or NI for the duration of their term. I don't want to pay more tax, it's not greedy to ask to keep at least 60% of what I earn.
It is greedy to ask people who work their socks off to subsidise people who don't want to do more than the minimum work necessary to claim some benefits.

DrElizabethPlimpton · 10/05/2015 10:35

After many years on MN, for the first time I'm feeling as though this isn't for me. Yes I understand that political views can stir some people more than others. However, the abuse heaped on people for exercising their legal right to vote, is becoming boring and best and decisive at worst. If you want to turn people off of politics and and healthy debate, you are doing a fine job.

heylilbunny · 10/05/2015 10:37

Russell Brand is just a raging Narcissist who will do anything for attention. Look how he turned on Miliband when Labour lost - and he probably only did that for more publicity. Why Labour gave him any oxygen I have no idea. I think that is a good illustration of how Labour were at a loss of knowing how to connect with many voters.

SweetiePie0 · 10/05/2015 10:38

We all voted for who we felt could do the best job. Very sorry that your preferred party did not get picked - you lost. Now get over it.

nicecuppateaandahobnob · 10/05/2015 10:38

I'm one of the 1% and I feel quite good actually that I contribute £130,000 per year in income tax alone towards helping people on low incomes.

I don't use state schools or the NHS - pay for private GP appointments even.

I sleep fine thank you very much. I will never feel that I'm not making a significant contribution to society through the tax I pay, the charities I support and the voluntary work I do.

blacksunday · 10/05/2015 10:39

ordinary, decent people who just want to work hard, pay their dues and get on in life.

Right, because non-Tory voters don't want this.

Do you think those people who work 40 hours weeks on minimum wage work hard? Cleaners, carers and barristas?

And what about the people who can't work? Do they not count? The sick, the disabled?

They are sick to the back teeth of the bloated welfare state,

There's no bloated welfare state. It has been pointed out 1000 times before that the welfare system is not particular generous and is about average or below average for europe. This is one of the Tory myths which they propagate to shrink down the size of the state.

the fat cat top dog council workers on six figures,

You've got to be kidding me. The UK bailed out private banks hundreds of billions of pounds and subsidises corporations annually hundreds of millions of pounds, and you're complaining about well paid council works?

of being pushed down the housing queue because an immigrant who has just arrived needs it more. And no that isn't fucking racist!!!

Yes it is racist. Immigrants aren't the cause of the UKs problems. There is a housing crisis in the UK and it's not because of immigrants. It's because of decades of lack of house building - partially caused by not wanting to affect the housing bubble of Daily Mail readers.

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blacksunday · 10/05/2015 10:42

We all voted for who we felt could do the best job. Very sorry that your preferred party did not get picked - you lost. Now get over it.

If you're talking to me, SweetiePie, my preferred party had no chance of winning a majority, and I didn't expect them to win.

Given the choice of neo-liberal parties on offer (Tories, Labour, UKIP) or minority parties, I would have chosen the Greens. They can't possibly be any more insane than what we have now.

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Whatthebobbins · 10/05/2015 10:43

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ThroughThickAndThin01 · 10/05/2015 10:45

......I would have chosen the Greens. Quelle surprise, OP.

blacksunday · 10/05/2015 10:46

nicecuppateaandahobnob-

I'm glad. Thank you for your contribution.

Unfortunately, this large amount won't get to the people who need it if we continue to abolish social security and privatise the health service.

Furthermore, if more people we paid a decent wage and had job security, then fewer would need to rely on social security and public services - much like yourself.

Unfortunately, we are heading in the opposite direction, and have been for some time now. The Tories have attacked workers rights in law, attacked unions, and driven down wages.

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Horsemadbird · 10/05/2015 10:49

Bobbins- what a perfect post! I so agree -in fact Chuka Umunna says something very similar in the Guardian.

Labour are hideously out of touch. And that has been borne out by the election result.

IsabellaofFrance · 10/05/2015 10:51

Before the election, we had thread upon thread telling us to vote, people died for the right etc.

Yet when people do vote, and its not to the liking of the MN majority, its a totally different story.

And I really don't understand the OP, why you didn't vote Labour and why you are so anti them.

heylilbunny · 10/05/2015 10:52

Umunna is on TV this morning saying the Labour message of compassion was not balanced with that of aspiration. I think this is true. Labour doesn't talk enough about hope for the future and all their slogans were very blah. Labour has let their dominant voice become that of a London Elite that think they need to teach us all how to think. A big appeal in the past was leadership coming throughout the working-class ranks into Labour leadership. Now they are basically giving the impression that the working class can't make it to leadership anymore. What does that say about their party?

I am a not a Conservative or a UKIP supporter but at least it is very clear what they stand for and we all except an upper-class to lead the Tories. Now Labour leadership are almost identical to the Tories and Liberals.

ThroughThickAndThin01 · 10/05/2015 10:52

Great post bobbins so much more sensible than so much being spouted.

TheCrimsonQueen · 10/05/2015 10:53

I voted Tory. That was my choice. I know there are people out there who are Angry about it.

"Choice"...isn't that a lovely word.

blacksunday · 10/05/2015 10:54

Guirado-

The perceived increase in child poverty is relative.

No, there has been an increase in both absolute and relative child poverty. Absolute poverty meaning lacking the basic essentials like three square meals, heat, and clothing.

Food banks have always been available but have been publicised like never before. Now people know about them potential claimants can actually ask to be referred, they won't always be referred but plenty will.

This is complete and utter nonsense and a rationalisation that people tell themselves not to feel bad. The rise in food backs is because of the rise in demand for food banks.

People don't go to food banks on a whim or for free food. They go there as a last resort.

The bedroom tax was first mooted by Labour and would have been introduced by them had they got power in 2010.

Who cares? It's still wrong and it should be abolished immediately.

It is greedy to ask people who work their socks off to subsidise people who don't want to do more than the minimum work necessary to claim some benefits

As for in-work benefits. I agree that we shouldn't be subsidizing corporations to pay low wages. You're absolutely right.

But we can't just stop the subsidies and expect people to get by and support families on less than a living wage. People need to be paid a fair wage for a fair days work.

Is it not reasonable to demand a living wage for a 40-hour week? Why should anyone have to ask for state subsidies or use food banks when they are willing, able, and work hard full-time to support themselves and their family?

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blacksunday · 10/05/2015 10:59

Before the election, we had thread upon thread telling us to vote, people died for the right etc.

Yet when people do vote, and its not to the liking of the MN majority, its a totally different story.

Not at all. I'm not suggesting that Tory voters should have their right to vote revoked. I'm arguing that they voted for psychopaths.

Argument and debate is perfectly within the realm on democracy. I'm not forcing anyone to do anything.

And I really don't understand the OP, why you didn't vote Labour and why you are so anti them.

Because they are a neo-liberal party. We've had 30 years of destructive neo-liberalism and the West needs a change.

Society cannot tolerate much more poverty, inequality, privatisation, environmental destruction, etc.

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fiveacres · 10/05/2015 10:59

Actually some people so go to food banks for free food.

'I've not had my voucher yet. Can I have it now?'

That was said on Tuesday with regard to food banks.

blacksunday · 10/05/2015 11:00

BTW, just to be clear: That's not my blog. It's a blog post I found that someone shared with me and I posted here.

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Viviennemary · 10/05/2015 11:01

I'm glad the Conservatives got in because I didn't want an Ed/Miliband left wing club ruling the UK. I will wait and see what the Tories do. If Labour gets a new leader who talks sense and speaks about helping the truly vulnerable then I might vote for them. Til then they can live in their little Marxist two kitchened world cocooned from reality. Honestly, who on earth did they pick Miliband. Anyone would have been better than him.

heylilbunny · 10/05/2015 11:01

blacksunday all these messages would have been much more powerful if they came from a working-class leader and not from an Oxbridge educated, professional politician and policy wonk who lives in a big house in an expensive part of London. It becomes a message about "those people" not themselves. So their message is YOU all need to help these poor people while I will direct operations from my ivory tower. The dots don't connect.

I am from a family of staunch Labour supporters and they all feel very disillusioned by Labour leadership. I think they are especially alienating working class men.

MissOutstanding · 10/05/2015 11:02

I wasn't allowed to vote (blessing in disguise?) in the national election as a European citizen. Quite frankly, the level of hysteria and polarisation is bewildering. The Conservatives are a Democratic Party and, as far as I can see, not the devil incarnate. You might not agree with their policies, fair enough, but keep it real, people! You'd think they are secretly plotting to round up everybody and let them starve in their ghettos... Hmm
bet you somebody will come on and say that's exactly what they are plotting behind closed doors

youarekiddingme · 10/05/2015 11:02

I have to be honest I was gutted that the Tories won by a majority - but glad it was a fairly small majority. I did not vote labour either.

I'll reserve judgement on whether I think Tories are good for next 5 years or not until 2020. However - I am massively concerned because the daily fail does support the Tories so those who fall into the daily fails hate category are rightly going to be concerned about a Tory government.

I am one of these people. I'm a LP, I work in education, I earn a low wage, I have a disabled child and I live in HA property. I therefore rely heavily on some of the services that are suspected to be cut.

I also think Conservatives have not helped themselves by announcing they will bring back fox hunting on day 1. This is seen as a societies people sport. It does feel almost as if they have done it to make a point to those who believe the richer richer and poorer poorer stance.

I will also add that our council representative who has done a lot for me over the years was Tory. My ward is a Lib Dem. locally I think people can make a difference and hopefully they'll take this to Westminster and we will have a strong government.

Horsemadbird · 10/05/2015 11:06

Heyllbunny - absolutely.

I remember thinking when Emily Thornberry sneered at a family's home and Gordon Brown called a lady who had legitimate concerns about immigration and when Miliband refused to admit they'd over spent - wow. that's it. They're done for. It's alarming to think just how deeply out of touch the party is.
It's the same on MN - if you are an ordinary person you are invalid, unimportant.
The only people the Left give a shit about are the underdogs, teh underclass and the great ordinary class has had enough, You rule and govern for the good of the majority. Those are the working people of this country. Those are your priorities but no - Labour simply saw us all as cash cows to fund their entrapped benefits claiments and bloated public sector employees.