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An open letter to everyone who voted Conservative

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blacksunday · 10/05/2015 07:19

To everyone who voted conservative yesterday,

I hope you’re happy. Actually that’s a lie, I really don’t. But before you sit smugly down and give yourself a big pat on the back I’d like to ask you a few questions.

Do you think you haven’t benefitted from the system you are currently trying to break down? As a child, did you ever go to hospital? Have you had an education? Did you ever use a library? Have you ever been on a bus? If so, you have benefited from a system which subsidises facilities with taxes. And now you have, you are willing to take it away from everyone after you. Correct me if I’m wrong but that doesn’t seem very fair. You cannot have socialism and a support system when you need it but then be unwilling to support it for other people.

Now if you are someone who has used the private sector more than public services then I also want to know a few things. If you went to private school, or used private medical care as a child, did you pay for it yourself? Now I’m not asking if your parents paid for it, but you personally. I’m guessing the answer is no. So can you genuinely say you worked hard to get these privileges? No baby earns the right to an education. No child works hard to be born into a particular family who can afford healthcare. So why do you think one person is more deserving than another? If you value working hard and getting on how can you see this as fair? Do you really want to live in a world where children are deemed more worthy of education and healthcare based on what family they come from?

If you are someone who uses a lot of private, who are you? Are you one of the 1% who are currently getting richer? If so, are you ok with the fact that your benefit is someone else’s misery, someone’s poverty, someone’s lack of care? Are you ok with the fact that while you got a pay rise 900,000 people had to go to food banks because they literally didn’t have enough money to feed themselves to survive? Do you really believe that you work harder than these people?

If you aren’t one of these few people benefitting from this system then why have you voted for it? Conservatives use rhetoric of working hard and fairness but this is simply not the reality. If you start life without a lot, to get out of that is hard. “Success” stories are pinned up to show that if you work hard you get somewhere. But they are stories because they are anomalies. To come from a background of little education or money and to get a career you want is not the common way, and you can’t do it without a benefit system. We do not live in a system where if you work hard you get somewhere, the system the conservatives are creating means that if you start off well off you stay that way. Because someone who goes to a private school with tiny class sizes and one on one help does not have to work as hard as someone at an underachieving state school with over worked underpaid staff and huge classes. They just don’t.

Now if you are either one of these types of people you have to question whether you really do believe in what you have voted for. Because in voting conservative you are saying you are happy with the last 5 years. You are endorsing food banks. You are endorsing cutting care for the elderly and the mentally ill. You are endorsing a party where over half the MPs voted against gay marriage. You are saying yes to the NHS being privatised. You are saying you are happy with people being put off education based not on ability or passion but by money. You are saying yes to victimising the poor and disabled and scapegoating people based on where they come from. You are saying that you are ok with the incredible inequality in our country today and you are saying you want more of it.

I do not wish poverty on anyone. It is a cruel and harsh life. But what I do wish for you is that you at least experience it. If not first hand, that you witness the harsh trapping reality that is poverty. The gruelling cycle that doesn’t allow a parent to feed their children. That doesn’t allow for parents to feed themselves. And that you see that this is people who are working. People with jobs. And if they aren’t I hope you see that a life on benefits is not the picnic people make it out to be. Nobody wants to be on benefits. Maybe if you see this you will see what you have voted for.

And if you are ok with all of this then you make me sick. I can’t put it any other way. I am so ashamed to come from a country where this is apparently what the majority think. That the majority of people are too selfish to accept any form of tax rise to support those in our society who need help makes me so incredibly sad. Truly you should be ashamed of yourself that you can so heartlessly put yourself first and not see the consequences. I hope that in the next 5 years you fully appreciate what you did yesterday. I hope you know what you have supported and I hope one day you feel guilty. Because I am scared of what the next 5 years will bring and you should be too.

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RedToothBrush · 10/05/2015 17:35

The thing I find most infuriating about posts like the OPs are the assumptions.

The assumptions about why someone voted the way they did and how they must be a terrible person for doing so.

Has it not occurred to people, that instead of venting and accusing and abusing that they need to engage with people who voted differently to them and find out exactly why they did vote that way and why they didn't vote labour.

There are an awful lot of people who voted Tory who have similar values and similar concerns. There are also a lot of people who struggled with the choice of Labour or Conservative.

People like the OP might also want to consider why a lot of traditional Labour voters decided not vote Labour this time. In some areas it looks like UKIP took 4% of the vote off Labour. WHY?

And then there is the disaster area for Labour called 'Scotland'.

Still its easy to blame others and name call rather than do some soul searching and critical thought about just what alienated voters from Labour.

Sigh. It is getting tedious reading all these threads full of individuals who want to rant and rave and say unfair it is but don't want to do anything more than that.

If you don't like the result DO SOMETIME ABOUT IT.

Go and join a party. Go and get proactive and campaign. Go and change things. Engage with other people and find persuade them that there is a better way rather than rather patronisingly and rudely telling them that they were wrong.

Cantbelievethisishappening · 10/05/2015 17:36

What could FPTP be replaced with? Should it be a legal requirement to vote? I always thought no but am now thinking possibly it should be.

Cantbelievethisishappening · 10/05/2015 17:38

There are also a lot of people who struggled with the choice of Labour or Conservative

I agree

claig · 10/05/2015 17:43

'Should it be a legal requirement to vote? '

No way. That is what they will try one day. I think I heard Sir Gus O'Donnell, former Head of the Civil Service, say that it was a good idea on TV the other night. I'm not sure because I was on my fourth glass at the time, anticipating Labour's wipeout in Scotland.

We are a free country and compulsion goes against the grain of the British people.

It would provide the parties with a false legitimacy and slant the voting in the favour of one side. If you don't want to vote, like Russell Brand, that is your right as a free citizen.

bananaramadramallama · 10/05/2015 17:44

Ummmm… what esmum said.
Read it OP.

I was born in '75, so not really old enough to remember the strikes of the 70s, but I do remember the condensation inside of the windows turning to ice, no telephone, black and white tv as the only tv we had, regular power cuts, no heating, using stale breadcrumbs to make mince etc go further, watering down everything (like soup) to make it go further, getting the offcuts of meat at the supermarket because we couldn't afford proper cuts of meat, no car, second hand everything.
My mum and dad both worked, mum worked 2+ jobs at times and me and my sister were latchkey kids from 6 & 9.

We were not 'poor', we were the same as nearly everyone else who lived around us - it was normal life.
The difference is that nowadays this is almost unheard of - people say 'why shouldn't people go on holidays/have all the latest gadgets etc just because they are receiving government assistance.
Lifestyle should be what you can afford, it isn't a 'right'.

The social safety net should be for the sick, disabled and those who really need it; for everyone else it should be a short term leg up when life leaves you in need, not a long term 'option'.

claig · 10/05/2015 17:45

After compulsory voting, they'll probably give us just one candidate - some sort of progressive, a Blair clone - and say you got what you voted for. No thanks. Give us PR and let the people choose what they want.

claig · 10/05/2015 17:58

Here are the progressives at their usual game. They always do it because they "care", they have our interests at heart.

"Penalise young voters who opt out, says think-tank

First-time voters should be forced to take part in elections and fined if they refuse to cast a ballot, a think-tank has recommended.
...
the IPPR says that all young people should be required to go to the ballot box even if they place a cross in a box marked “abstain” rather than vote for any of the political parties on offer.

The study, from the left-leaning think-tank which was favoured by Tony Blair’s government, follows suggestions from Labour that the voting age may need to be lowered to 16."

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10265603/Penalise-young-voters-who-opt-out-says-think-tank.html

Let's hope the Tories have changed from Cameron's modernisers and have some real Tory principles for once and give this progressive stuff short shrift. UKIP will back them on this one - common sense.

caroldecker · 10/05/2015 18:02

can't believe Consrvative vote share increased 1% on 2010, first time by an incumbent in over 100 years.

claig · 10/05/2015 18:14

Frstt time in over 100 years and after the biggest recession in nearly 100 years. Eddie George, former Bank of England chief, said that whoever won the election in 2010 would be out of power for a generatin after that.

The Conservative victory is amazing and the opposition Labour's collapse is astounding after such a recession.

We have a completely new political landscape with the SNP and now UKIP challenging the old status quo. We may even be granted PR and then it will be anyone's game.

claig · 10/05/2015 18:16

The progressives are panicking and that is why they insult Tory voters, want compulsory voting and voting at age 16 and try to make Tory voters feel guilty to sway their future vote.

fiveacres · 10/05/2015 18:19

Esmum - very moving post. Thank you for sharing.

Flowers

Rest assured, I was not 'laughing at people dying.' It was the way the post was phrased that made me laugh. Because she is right: people who are unwell do die, and that is sad but it is not the government strangling them!

CultureSucksDownWords · 10/05/2015 18:22

That's good to know fiveacres, as the way your post was written made it seem like you were.

Elasticelizabeth · 10/05/2015 18:24

This post is so OTT, I didn't vote conservative but no lots of people who did including my friends in housing association properties and those on benefits. This idea that only the rich vote Tory is ridiculous.

SnowBells · 10/05/2015 18:31

One friend of mine who voted Tory actually came from a deprived background but benefitted from scholarships available under the Tory government decades ago - scholarships that Labour got rid of (I guess because of denial), and hence make it more difficult for intelligent people with her background to better themselves.

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Cherriesandapples · 10/05/2015 18:49

Growing up poor under Thatcher made me personally feel that I could do or be anything I wanted to be. That sense of you can come from a poor background but be anything you want to be was totally crushed under Labour and has yet to come back under conservatives. I would like to see more of that ethos under this new government.

bananaramadramallama · 10/05/2015 19:06

YY cherries I feel the same - I always believed I could do or be anything, if I tried hard enough.

I'm old enough now to realise that luck is a huge factor too, but still have the pragmatic attitude and iron will that was fostered in us from a young age.

MozzchopsThirty · 10/05/2015 19:07

It is ridiculous!!!!

I'm a single parent, work for the NHS and voted Tory Smile

CultureSucksDownWords · 10/05/2015 19:11

Are you saying that a period of poverty for large numbers of people in the UK will be a good thing, as it will increase people's sense of hope and optimism?

claig · 10/05/2015 19:16

'Are you saying that a period of poverty for large numbers of people in the UK will be a good thing, as it will increase people's sense of hope and optimism?'

I don't think she is saying that. That is why she didn't vote Labour and voted Tory instead.

bananaramadramallama · 10/05/2015 19:22

What is poverty?

How I grew up wasn't poverty - poverty means something different to different people I think.

Poverty isn't having no tv or internet, having no phone or holidays - all those things are not life's essentials. I think that sometimes some people lose sight if what is 'essential' compared to what is 'desirable'.

CultureSucksDownWords · 10/05/2015 19:28

How did labour crush the idea that anyone from any background could progress and achieve what they want? By encouraging reliance on benefits and therefore destroying a work ethic?

Horsemadbird · 10/05/2015 19:33

Wonderful post esmum. You describe nt DH's childhood.
Guess what? id drove him. He 's now a very succesful company director and we have a fantastic lifestyle. But he's worked for it soooo hard for over 20 years.

Poverty gave him hunger that was nothing to do with food.

claig · 10/05/2015 19:40

'How did labour crush the idea that anyone from any background could progress and achieve what they want?'

By dumbing down, making people feel guilty for doing well, penalising them and stifling aspiration. That is why every Blairite and their dog is now on TV saying Labour's mistake was that they didn't appeal to aspiration and the wish of the people for a better life. They promise us they will now. But we don't believe them. We know they call anyone with aspiration "Tory scum".

Cherriesandapples · 10/05/2015 19:48

Labour basically tied people to the tax credit system though. Confusing and difficult to understand. A lot of people I know claim it and would be worse off if they did more hours so basically tying people into often poorly paid, zero / 16 hour contracts.

CultureSucksDownWords · 10/05/2015 19:51

What sorts of things got dumbed down? How did they make people feel guilty for doing well - can you give examples of this?

I guess taxation is considered a penalty for doing well, but what policies cause the stifling of aspiration?

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