Ed M was brilliant last night

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I have never had much of an opinion on Ed Miliband, but he was amazing on the Free Speech programme last night. He came across as normal and likeable and actually engaged with ordinary members of the public. I feel that we have been told by the media to think he is useless, but this is a pleasant surprise and I have changed my views on him. Did anyone else watch this?

www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b055tx34/free-speech-series-4-1-im-ed-miliband-ask-me-anything

It is well worth watching even if you don't agree with his views.

Political correctness

noun

the avoidance of forms of expression or action that are perceived to exclude, marginalize, or insult groups of people who are socially disadvantaged or discriminated against.

UKIP are indeed the most un politically correct party there is. They are a racist party claig.

No, that definition is what the Establishment want you to think political correctness is. Political correctness is following the correct line of the political Establishment, being politically correct is not veering away from the political orthodoxy that the Establishment wish to impose. It has nothing to do with personal relations and being personally rude to anyone since it is political and not personal.

The term began as a mockery of Stalinist communists by socialists who veered away from the politically correct Stalinist communist line.

So to say that climate change is the biggest crisis facing mankind is "politically correct". To say as Ed did in the debate that PMQs is "awful, isn't it?" is politically correct, since both positions are the political line that the Establishment wishes to promote.

Being politically incorrect is daring to say that the Establishment Emperor has no clothes, that he is lying and conning the people and deceiving them for political ends.

It began as the political line imposed by the Stalinist Communist establishment but is used as a way of pushing the policy of any Establishment that seeks to quell dissent and stop people's insurgencies such as the one represented by the people's party and the People's Army led by the people's champion, Farage.

Claig, I was half way through reading your first post, having not looked at who posted it and I just knew it was you. Four years ago you were banging the same drum for the conservatives. Have you ever thought about trying to look at things from a different angle?

Here is an example of the correct use of the term.

"Hot Stuff, Cold Logic
Richard Tol

Politically correct climate change orthodoxy has completely destroyed our ability to think rationally about the environment."

www.the-american-interest.com/2014/12/10/hot-stuff-cold-logic/

It is a form of forced consensus, deceit and manipulation that seeks to impose the Establishment line over the people and quell any people's insurgency such as UKIP which is intenet on revealing the truth. People's parties oppose it and are therefore called politically incorrect and then face the jeers and boos, smears and attacks of the Establishment (with no TV programmes showing any "whooping" of yoof), its media, its think tanks and above all its teenage whizz kid spinners.

'Four years ago you were banging the same drum for the conservatives'

Four years ago, I still believed that the Tories were real Tories and were a better option than Labour. I never liked all of their MPs but I put up with their political correctness and spin because I thought it was the best we had. I lost faith with them finally in 2013 and like tens of thousands of real former Tories, I voted UKIP in the 2013 local elections, still thinking I may return to the Tories.

Those days are over. the people's insugency is in full swing. The Establishment is reeling, teenage think tank whizz kids from Oxbridge are being paid overtime to try and stop the people and the People's Army in order to keep the Establishment's PPEs in the manner to which they have become accustomed.

They can stop us this election, but our time will come in 2020. Elites can never hold the people down forever, their politically correct Overton windows will be breached and the truth and the people will win.

'Have you ever thought about trying to look at things from a different angle?'

I look at things from all angles which is why I voted for Blair in 1997 just like the majority of the country. But I choose what I think is best and now that is without a doubt the Peope's Party, UKIP.

The people's insurgency is in full swing. There is panic in the air and the people are voting with their feet and a lot of spinners from Oxbridge are going to be booted out of their safe seats and will no longer be able to pick up their taxpayer salaries and publicly paid expenses.

"UKIP To Scrap The Climate Change Act

By Right Of Centre on January 5, 2015 News UKIP

UKIP MEP and Industry Spokesman Roger Helmer has said that UKIP would scrap the Climate Change Act. This would get rid of targets to cut carbon emissions by 80% in 2050 compared to levels in 1990."

www.rightofcentre.co.uk/ukip-to-scrap-the-climate-change-act/

Can you imagine the panic of the Establishment? The people have called their bluff. They are all in it together and they know that in 2020 they will all lose together, all of their think tanks, their Oxbridge PPEs and their teenage whizz kids, and their dreams will end as the people win.

That is why UKIP are smeared in every paper and on every TV channel. That is why they roll out their interviewers to give Farage a hard time and that is why their progressive TV production companies make scare-tactic and mocking TV shows and documentaries about UKIP and its voters.

They use political correctness to try and close down any opposition but UKIP are the people's party, the People's Army, and they won't shut up. Farage understands the game, he knows what is at take and why they are determined to stop the People's Army.

UKIP has the support of nearly 1 in 7 of the electorate now even after all the constant vilificatuon by the Establishment media. Imagine what will happen in 2020 and the sheer panic of the PPEs then when UKIP are on the verge of winning power and scrapping their cherished Climate Change Act.

UKIP has the support of nearly 1 in 7 of the electorate now

Reactionary old white men?

They're pretty good at hating - and being hated by - everyone else... you know, women, minorities, disabled people, people with two brain cells...

'Reactionary old white men? '

UKIP won one of the biggest landslides in postwar British parliamentary history in Clacton, a safe Tory seat. There aren't that many reactionary white men in Clacton. Don't believe Establishment lies and the spin of the brightest, most highly paid teenage think tank whizz kid spinners from Oxbridge, probably funded by hedge funds and all sorts.

Women,men, young and old turned out in Clacton to vote the Tories out and put the People's Party in.

From Jaywick in Clacton, the poorest council ward in England, which has been shamefully neglected by the Oxbridge fat cats in Westminster for years, the good people turned out in their thousands to vote for the People's Army.

Just listen to the excellent left wing Guardian journalist, John Harris, to understand what is rerally going on and why the People's Army will only grow stronger and stronger. People won't put up with lies any more. They have lost respect for the spinners and there is nothing that the teenage whizz kids can do.

"Clacton byelection: the main parties need to hear this roar of defiance "

"A fortnight or so ago, as part of the campaign for this week’s Clacton byelection, Douglas Carswell and Nigel Farage addressed a public meeting. The hall where it was held is only a stone’s throw from Jaywick, the jumble of former holiday chalets and potholed streets that is reckoned to be the poorest council ward in England: on the face of it, a symbol of the kind of deep social problems that tend to be synonymous with political apathy. That night, though, about 900 people turned up.

It’s said that Farage considers it the most extraordinary meeting he’s ever experienced."

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/oct/08/clacton-byelection-parties-defiance-coast-strood-ukip

'It’s said that Farage considers it the most extraordinary meeting he’s ever experienced'

Even if Farage wanted to retire, he can't any more. This is bigger than Farage, this is the will of the British people. There are millions of people depending on him, hoping that he will bring change. He can't let them down, he can't give up.

He will go all the way for the people, he will take the Establishment on, he said "join the People's Army and let's topple the Establishment" and recruitment rocketed through the roof, and that is what the teenage whizz kids and the hedge funds fear. They know they can't stop the will of the people and the progress of the People's Army. The Establishment knows that its PPEs are no match for the people.

I think I'm beginning to understand why so few people post in this section. And it's not to do with political apathy .

It's to do with apathy. If we didn't post, then no one would. The politcal section has been totally dead for months. Hardly anyone has posted a single thing in it. Quite amazing for a site that has such large readership.

The reason is that people already know who they will vote for. They have already made up their minds. That is why there is no excitement about the campaigns, the pink vans or even the debates. Most people have decided a long time ago.

claig, you kinda shut down debate with your mindless devotion to UKIP.

Most people find UKIP offensive because of their racist and sexist stance, obviously other people don't have a problem with racism and sexism.

Will anyone change their minds by watching party political broadcasts or debates?
Very few.

This is the most unpredictable election since the Second World War and yet excitement is at an all-time low and it is because no one trusts them any more. Too many lies have been told, too many wars have been fought, too many people have died and too much spin has passed under the bridge.

sigh

'you kinda shut down debate with your mindless devotion to UKIP.'

I don't personally attack anyone's opinion or accuse them of shutting down debate or call them racist, All I do is give a different point of view, the view represented by 1 in 7 of the electorate, the third biggest party in the UK by share of votes, the party that won 23% of local election votes in 2013 and that won the EU elections against all expectations and caused an earthquake.

All you do is call UKIP and its voters racist, I just give the other side and explain, like the Guardian's John Harris, why this "roar of defiance" is happening and where I think it will lead and why the Establishment is so petrified of it.

I saw him for first time last year, pretty much by accident. I whooped. So impressed, so surprised( I'm 45 and not a whooper) We don't get a true impression of him from mainstream press because A. they tend support the Tories and B. if he gets in there will be more press regulation. Would say to anyone who says they don't like him, well sure you don't if you only read the Murdoch press. Don't be lazy - find out about the man and the policies. It's important. He impressed me as a David-and-Goliath type, standing up to the corrupt and the powerful like energy companies and tax-dodgers and Murdoch. Plus I think he's a bit cute (but you wont find flattering pictures in the Sun or the Mail)

Good grief, a comment about Ed Miliband on the Ed Miliband thread!

I think he's a bit cute too

But they are a racist party, this is deeply worrying. I don't see a noble roar of defiance. I see a rise in the politics of hate. We know where this ends.

I can only assume that people who support UKIP also support their hateful views and are happy to see laws that protect people from racism abolished.

stubborn I would

I don't see a noble roar of defiance'

But the Guardian's Jhn harris saw and termed the coin "roar of defiance" and said that the political establishment should take heed of it and listen to the people.

If you don't like UKIP and Farage, then don't vote for them. It's a free country, but don't accuse the millions of good people, and the poor people of Jaywick, England's most deprived council ward of being racist and sexist. Have some respect for the 1 in 7 of the electorate who vote UKIP, otherwise you will end up being like Cameron and calling UKIP supporters "fruitcakes, looneys and closet racists" which shows disprespect for a lot of good people.

I know lots of UKIP voters, all of whom are racist or "I'm not racist but (insert racist comment"

Farage sits with some extremely racist people in Europe. If they come into any power they will get rid of the minister for women and equalities. They want to abolish laws that protect against discrimination. Their party is littered with individuals who have made racist, sexist and homophobic comments. Almost half of UKIP supporters identify as racially prejudiced. Their 2010 manifesto was deeply racist, sexist and disabilist (not to mention silly)

I don't think there are too many closet racists in UKIP, I think they are coming out of the closet.

I really hope the debates take place because I think Ed will do well.

Their 2010 manifesto was deeply racist, sexist and disabilist (not to mention silly)'

Are you referring to the one written by the perosn who was a tory, then joined UKIP, pened what Farage has derscribed as "drivel", and is now a Tory again?

'I really hope the debates take place because I think Ed will do well.'

So do I because I want a democracy that engages the public and lets them decide on the merits of the candidates as they challenge each other in vigorous debate. I don't think there will be a one to one debate unfortunately. I would like to see Farage get more airtime than what currently seems to be the case because then I think he would wipe the floor with what he calls "gutless politicians". He is not politically correct, he is genuine and they can't face that.

Nigel Farage is by far the best leader. Bit of a pity about some of the policies and other members of UKIP. If he was leader of one of the main parties the election would be a total pushover for that party. IMHO.

Well, then you have a problem, claig, because every time Farage opens his 'non-politically correct' mouth, he comes out with something stupid, ignorant, racist or sexist.

Same with most other UKIP candidates.

If you're not part of the fascist 'in group' or you are and have one ounce of humanity and compassion about you, I'm sure you will be disgusted by the policies UKIP make up on the way to the election...