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The Green Party

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eileenrose1 · 01/03/2015 17:12

The Green Party's leader Nathalie Bennett gave a poor radio interview but was brave enough to admit it and apologise. She came back well on this week's Any Questions - and on her Radio 4 profile.

The Green Party has a good record of promoting strong women like Nathalie and Caroline Lucas and my town of Wolverhampton will have female candidates in all three constituences at the General Election, depending on funding. Any support would be much appreciated. Please visit the following link and forward it to others to give us the chance to vote Green. Thanks.

www.crowdfunder.co.uk/wton-green-party-2015-elections-fundraising/

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HermioneWeasley · 20/03/2015 20:26

I was interested in voting green (as a protest vote, don't really think they'all get any power), but have been put off by the actions of the equalities minister and their refusal to listen on the sex workers debate.

In addition, the actions of party activists towards Archery on this thread are disgusting

Didn't even know the latest nonsense about abortion.

I guess I'll be spoiling my ballot paper.

claig · 20/03/2015 20:31

'One of the things I like about the Greens is that they understand that there is little point in seeking ever more prosperity if you don't have a planet to live on.'

It's a lie, a trick. Don't you realise that the Green movements worldwide were created by elites and aided by Rockefeller funded think tanks like the Club of Rome who commissioned the seminal MIT report called "Limits to Growth" which is what they want to do to us, the people. They want no growth, zero growth and negative growth for the people. They want limits to growth and limits to polulation. They use scare tactics of the end of existence on the earth in order to frove through the agenda wished for by the elite - no growth, zero growth, negative growth for ordinary people.

claig · 20/03/2015 20:37

"The Secret of Global Warming - Posh Anti-Capitalism"

"It is more than ironic that the anti-consumption rant comes from people who are, by global standards, rolling in the stuff and from a superior social class. Take a look at Al Gore and Prince Charles, at Jonathon Porritt, the old Etonian friend of Prince Charles, son of Lord Porritt; or the old Etonian Baron Lord Peter Melchett, former head of Greenpeace, or Ecologist editor Zac Goldsmith, another old Etonian, son of the billionaire James Goldsmith, and nephew of yet another old Etonian the Green guru Edward Goldsmith; or ‘eco-warrior’ Mark Brown, who was acquitted of leading the ‘Carnival Against Capitalism’, who is a member of the fabulously wealthy Vestey family; or the founder of the Soil Association Lady Eve Balfour, daughter of the Earl of Balfour; or the author of the Global Warming Survival Handbook, David de Rothschild, and so on, and on. Charles Secrett, former executive director of Friends of the Earth helpfully explains, ‘Among the aristocrats there is a sense of noblesse oblige … a feeling of stewardship towards the land.’

Brendan O’Neill says in The Guardian, ‘It is remarkable how many leading environmentalists come from wealthy or aristocratic backgrounds.’ And adds, ‘There is something irritating - actually, let's not beat around the bush - there is something monumentally infuriating about rich people telling the masses that they should live more meekly.’

www.martindurkin.com/blogs/secret-global-warming-posh-anti-capitalism

You have to understand what the real billioaire elite want to happen to and for ordinary people.

VoyageOfDad · 20/03/2015 20:38

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claig · 20/03/2015 20:42

'Among the aristocrats there is a sense of noblesse oblige … a feeling of stewardship towards the land.’'

They care about land, but do they cae about people? They want to zone off land and not build homes for people. They want fewer people, less consumption, less economic growth, and zero growth for people. They want sustainabiity for people, while they are super rich. They are the 1%, we are the 99% and they grow richer while we grow poorer and they want "Limits to Growth" to prevent our prosperity and growth.

HermioneWeasley · 20/03/2015 20:49

Voyage, the evidence coming out of Germany about what legalisation of sex work has done to women turns my stomach. I don't know how any human being could hear the stories and not feel physically sick. Dismissing the concerns that I and many others have about what your party is proposing as "sour grapes" is extremely patronising.

In any event, OP started a thread asking us to support her party. I have explained why I can't. Obviously the party activists will decide whether the feedback from people is sufficient to influence them.

Nydj · 20/03/2015 20:54

Good grief, I have hardly even been on the FWR boards but do identify as a feminist and have to say that the responses that ArcheryAnnie has received by eileenrose1 and VoyageOfDad has been incredibly rude and off putting on this thread. This is not a good way to engage with voters!

claig · 20/03/2015 20:59

I agree that ArcheryAnnie has been badly treated.

ArcheryAnnie is a fan of most Green policies, but she feels strongly about the policy on prostitution and stuggles to fit this policy in with the other policies that she supports. As far as I know, Caroline Lucas also disagress with the Green Party policy on prostitution and would like it changed. Everyone has different policy priorities and no one's opinions are more valid than any one else's.

GibberingFlapdoodle · 22/03/2015 14:43

Yy to claig, nydj and Hermione.

VoyageOfDad please please stop and listen to yourself. You are saying that the only issue of any importance is the one you care about and anyone else should go away. That is bad enough.

Specifically you are telling women that the issues that affect them are not important.

I am also very concerned for the environment. That does not stop my concern about other issues. You say that nothing else is important beyond having a world to stand on, how about women not being allowed to stand on that world by people like you. What is the point of 'saving the world' if half of us are not permitted to live on it without daily degradation way beyond your experience. That is the issue Annie and other women have with the greens and you are doing nothing to help this concern.

GibberingFlapdoodle · 22/03/2015 15:14

"They want no growth, zero growth and negative growth for the people. They want limits to growth and limits to polulation. They use scare tactics of the end of existence on the earth in order to frove through the agenda wished for by the elite - no growth, zero growth, negative growth for ordinary people."

And there we see the very last line of defence for the modern business 'new money' - claim it's the people v the 'old money' aristocracy. In fact the need for environmentalism is not documented by the 'Club of Rome', but by 97% of all science and scientists investigating the issue. And most of that documented damage comes from the oil and gas industry, which generates enormous wealth for a few private pockets by exploiting the vast majority of ordinary people, who want to continue doing so even when it means the seas rising and drowning the lands of the poorest.

So there is a load of misinformation out there about who exactly would benefit or not from more environmentally-responsible behaviour!

You also want to look up the more modern examples of people rejecting the capitalist agenda. Things like the number of german cities taking back control of their energy grids. The number of universities, and even some towns, under pressure from their students/ residents, divesting themselves of oil and gas stocks. These are the grassroots movements, from the ordinary people at the bottom, that will make the most, the only difference - people taking their local resources back under their own control. Now who would be objecting to that?

caroldecker · 22/03/2015 15:19

gibbering possibly the 90 odd % of people with no local resources, or the 100% of people with the wrong mix of local resources.

claig · 22/03/2015 15:43

"And there we see the very last line of defence for the modern business 'new money' - claim it's the people v the 'old money' aristocracy."

The Oxbridge PPE , Tony Blair, is about as "new money" as it gets.This is an article from the very Office of the great man.

"Tony Blair launches The Climate Group's Clean Revolution campaign at Climate Week NYC

During the Opening Ceremony of Climate Week NYC, Tony Blair, The Climate Group's International Leadership Council Chair, helped launch the Clean Revolution campaign."

www.tonyblairoffice.org/climatechange/

When you see Gordone Bennett, ex Labour leader, Tony Blair, Nick Clegg, the "vote blue go green" modernising Tories , nearly every UN bigwig and goodwill ambassador and Labour luvvie and popstar charidee circuit crony singing from the same climate change hymn sheet as Etonian advisers, royalty and billionaires, you start to wonder if someone somewhere is having a laugh.

Then you see one party, the People's Party, who oppose it and you see the abuse that old money and new money and their media give them because they know their whole game is up.

Then you read that

''a Ukip government would immediately repeal the Climate Change Act '

then you understand why the Establishment is so panicked by the People's Party.

"The roots of this insecurity are not hard to fathom. Isolated and deracinated, today’s main political parties are terrified of one thing in particular: the people"

www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/13601#.VQ7hxOElfCB

The billionaires can fool all of Labour all of the time, some of the Tories some of the time, but they can never fool UKIP.

The people's revolution continues. The great and the good continue their spin. Their Oxbridge think tanks continue to have their media say, but with the emergence of the People's Party they will never get their way.

claig · 22/03/2015 15:48

Tony Blair was already awarded Philanthropist of the Year, maybe the Establishment and the charidees will soon award him Climatwit of the Year too, who knows. It will impress the great and the good, but the people are not amused, they understand the Establishment's ruse.

eileenrose1 · 22/03/2015 16:29

Depressing to think that anyone would regard UKIP as a better choice than the Green Party, which has policies such as these:

A genuine living wage
A publicly owned NHS
Promoting renewable energy and environmentally responsible policies
Opposing austerity
Opposing fracking
Scrapping tuition fees
A fair taxation system
Renationalising the railways
Building new social housing
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claig · 22/03/2015 16:35

Have you missed Natalie Bennett's "brain fades"?

I am beginning to wonder if she does it on purpose to be honest, it is so bad.

The Greens can promise the moon because they will never hold the reins of power. UKIP are on approx 16% and the entire Establishment and all its parties and media and think tanks are petrified of it because it represents the people and hey all know that in the future UKIP will hold the reins of power.

No one in the Establishment and in Oxbridge is scared of the Greens, because they all agree with most of what they say.

claig · 22/03/2015 16:43

"The Conservative candidate trying to become an MP for a battleground Black Country seat has tonight been suspended by his party, accused of trying to work with the far-right English Defence League."
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The Dudley North seat is the most marginal in the Black Country. It is held by Labour's Ian Austin with a majority of just 649 votes. Opinion polls have suggested UKIP is the main opposition."

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/feb/13/climate-change-policy-britain-at-risk-ed-davey-environment-secretary

It is UKIP that is the main opposition and will end up one day in charge. The entire Establishment and Oxbridge class understand that and that is why there is sheer panic in their ranks. Their whole game will be over, their whole consensus will be up. UKIP will scrap the Climate Change Act immeditely.

UKIP will give people proportional representation and local referenda and then the billionaires and their puppets will never again be able to fool the people.

claig · 22/03/2015 16:44

Sorry wrong link. This is the link about the Dudley North candidate

www.expressandstar.com/news/2015/03/22/afzal-amin-suspended-by-conservatives-in-dudley-north/

eileenrose1 · 22/03/2015 17:10

"Farage is Everyman; all booze and fags and antennae for the cares and fears of ordinary people. This from the son of a stockbroker, with an often-lamented career in the City behind him; children all privately educated; prosperous product of a village upbringing in Kent."

www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/apr/29/10-good-reasons-not-vote-ukip-nigel-farage-europe

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claig · 22/03/2015 17:15

"The Club of Rome is a global think tank that deals with a variety of international political issues. Founded in 1968 at Accademia dei Lincei in Rome, Italy, the Club of Rome describes itself as "a group of world citizens, sharing a common concern for the future of humanity." It consists of current and former heads of state, UN bureaucrats, high-level politicians and government officials, diplomats, scientists, economists and business leaders from around the globe.[1] It raised considerable public attention in 1972 with its report The Limits to Growth. The club states that its mission is "to act as a global catalyst for change through the identification and analysis of the crucial problems facing humanity and the communication of such problems to the most important public and private decision makers as well as to the general public"

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Club_of_Rome

They sound like they really care - the great and the good. They sound almost as good as a charidee. And they are not even Oxbridge only.

"The Club of Rome raised considerable public attention with its report Limits to Growth, which has sold 12 million copies in more than 30 translations, making it the best-selling environmental book in world history"#

"In 1991, the Club published The First Global Revolution.[7] It analyses the problems of humanity, calling these collectively or in essence the 'problematique'. It notes (laments) that, historically, social or political unity has commonly been motivated by enemies in common: "The need for enemies seems to be a common historical factor. Some states have striven to overcome domestic failure and internal contradictions by blaming external enemies. The ploy of finding a scapegoat is as old as mankind itself - when things become too difficult at home, divert attention to adventure abroad. Bring the divided nation together to face an outside enemy, either a real one, or else one invented for the purpose. With the disappearance of the traditional enemy, the temptation is to use religious or ethnic minorities as scapegoats, especially those whose differences from the majority are disturbing."[8] "Every state has been so used to classifying its neighbours as friend or foe, that the sudden absence of traditional adversaries has left governments and public opinion with a great void to fill. New enemies have to be identified, new strategies imagined, and new weapons devised."[8] "In searching for a common enemy against whom we can unite, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like, would fit the bill. In their totality and their interactions these phenomena do constitute a common threat which must be confronted by everyone together. But in designating these dangers as the enemy, we fall into the trap, which we have already warned readers about, namely mistaking symptoms for causes. All these dangers are caused by human intervention in natural processes, and it is only through changed attitudes and behaviour that they can be overcome. The real enemy then is humanity itself "

They are good people, very good people, probably charidable people too, philantropic types, but I doubt that they are as philanthropic as the Philanthropist of the Year, Tony Blair.

"Tony Blair launches The Climate Group's Clean Revolution campaign at Climate Week NYC

During the Opening Ceremony of Climate Week NYC, Tony Blair, The Climate Group's International Leadership Council Chair, helped launch the Clean Revolution campaign."

We had lies over weapons of mass destruction and we had dodgy dossiers. Do you think that the real elite are above lying to get their climate way, above exaggeration and scare tactics?

But now theres a People's Party called UKIP and they don't believe that

The real enemy then is humanity itself

because they are the People's Party, on the People's side. That is why the Establishmentand the great and the good are desperate to keep their rickety old cliimate chicanery charabanc on the road.

claig · 22/03/2015 17:24

'You're on a train. There area group of people talking loudly about issues they care about. You walk over and ask them to keep it down because nobody else is able to talk over the noise. And their response is that you're against everything they're discussing and are just a nasty man who wants women back in the kitchen.'

They would probably tell you to mind your own business. You are not the moderator, you're not in charge, you don't determine the parameters oof the discussion, everyone can say what they like. Chill out, sit back down in your train seat, have your say and enjoy the ride.

VoyageOfDad · 22/03/2015 17:25

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claig · 22/03/2015 17:39

'UKIP are riddled with sexist racist bigots'

There have been one or two and the Establishment media has searched for them far and wide, Lord knows they have.

'It's only common sense if you're a biggot who's on the right of the Tories'

Then why are they the main opposition to labour in many Northern seats like Dudley North now.

'Labour candidate: we face 'existential threat' from Ukip in south '

www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/feb/17/labour-candidate-existential-threat-ukip-south-working-class

And it is not just the labour Oxbridge half of the Establishment that gaces an existential crisis from UKIP, it is the entire Establishment that faces an existential crisis from the People's Army.

As the leader of the People's Army said

'‘I’m taking on the establishment, and they hate me for it’
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And we are challenging the establishment — we are challenging their very thought; we are challenging the very basis upon which they exist and operate."

www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/im-taking-on-the-establishment-and-they-hate-me-for-it/16758#.VQ7g9qJyaic

The leader of the People's Army mocks the Establishment, he mocks their Philanthropists of the Year, Decade and Century. He even has the courage to mock their polar bear scare, which is tantamount to blaspemy in their climate cooked book.

"Take climate change. What politician these days would admit to laughing about the polar bears? Farage would"

That is why the Establishment are terrified of UKIP because they are terrified of the truth. "Brain fades" and green policies don't scare them but the truth does.

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