Justice for Men and Boys - Isn't this exactly why we need feminism

[wickeddevil]

Heard Justice for Men and Boys Founder Mike Buccanan on Womens Hour earlier today complaining that men pay 72% of all income tax.
Well isn't that because they have more income?

And instead of complaining about the feminist agenda doesn't it demonstrate why we need it?

society doesn't like men near young children.

Or because society tells men that raising/caring for young children is women's work?

' You obviously think more aggressive behaviours in boys should be tolerated by teaching staff.'

Do you know what? I really would have thought that teachers would have the mental faculty to differentiate between a game and genuine aggression. That's what I think.

But thinking that male teachers would empathise more with boys is such a restrictive view. There is no such thing as boy behaviour and girl behaviour so the sex of the teacher shouldn't matter. Boys shouldn't be aggressive, neither should girls. You're supporting a division of sex from the playground up. And so it repeats with the next generation and round and round we go.

Can you really not see it ?

Sigmund, the form of the educational system we have now - i.e. that pupils have to sit on their bums and listen - have been around for much longer than feminism. I can see how girls/women can do better than boys/men in this system, but feminism did not create it. Feminists simply got women admitted into it. And yes, it is ironic that in quite a few cases women are turing out to be better at this system than men. And yes, we should have discussions about the system and try to make it fair, but bashing feminists is definitely the wrong direction.

oh please stop personalising this. I haven't said much more reasonably than anyone else has about this particular issue. thanks sabrina.

'Or because society tells men that raising/caring for young children is women's work?'

No. Because society doesn't like men near young children.

'Why is limiting rough play the fault of feminism rather than social evolution'

Because feminist consultations have played a large part in the education system we have now.

Because society doesn't like men near young children. Yep, that's right. And I, as a FEMINIST, am trying to change it. I am for the equality of the genders, and so believe that both men and women have equal abilities to care for children.

Feminism is against male aggression shocker.

Sigmund, you really can't decide whether feminists are change agents or irrelevant nobodies. If they are somehow both, then you need to develop an explanation for how they managed to change their position from past to present.

Even if teachers can see it's not genuine aggression, they need to address the behaviour not only the intent, surely? Otherwise a child being aggressive to another could say, "but it's just a game, same as mini-Fraude and his friend".

Thank you, AutumnM, that's what I was struggling with.

'There is no such thing as boy behaviour and girl behaviour'

Noooooooooo, we're all the same, each and every one. I'm not even going to start with this one now. There is interesting recent research that states that actually we're very different. I'll save that bombshell for another time when I'm not quite so knackered.

Right - so is that an admission that males are inherently more aggressive than females? I thought women were just as bad - according to your views on dv?

SigmundFraude, I really recommend this book for very interesting research on gender differences: "Delusions of gender". Written by a top-class social psychologist.

'oh please stop personalising this. I haven't said much more reasonably than anyone else has about this particular issue.'

It's just the way you say it Pan. And the fact that you're a bloke, I struggle with male feminists. Or a man who does a good impression of being one.

SF, I'm leaving this thread now as I think that you're just going to feel like you're under attack from all of us and I really don't want that.

Could I just ask you to consider that you can achieve everything you want for your sons without attacking feminism ? Your sons aren't any less or any more important than someone else's daughter. That's all that feminism really boils down to.

'Because society doesn't like men near young children. Yep, that's right. And I, as a FEMINIST, am trying to change it. I am for the equality of the genders, and so believe that both men and women have equal abilities to care for children.'

I'm glad to hear it. I very much hope my son has a male teacher or two during his infant/junior years, but it seems unlikely.

'Right - so is that an admission that males are inherently more aggressive than females? I thought women were just as bad - according to your views on dv?'

Eh? I'm on about my 5yr old DS, not quite the same.

Thanks Blistory, I do feel a little overwhelmed. I'm off to bed now anyway.

Why is it not the same? He's male and you're excusing his aggressive behaviour at school.

yes I too have finely-tuned bullshit radar when it comes to male feminists. (it's what you do, not what you say, sort of thing)So let's not cloud the matter of discriminatory behaviour by making it all about me?

Still waiting for the 3 laws......

Well, the next two, after "compulsory DNA testing at birth"

I just can't understand why it's so difficult......

Seeker, aren't you still waiting for an answer to your earlier Q too?

Could I just ask you to consider that you can achieve everything you want for your sons without attacking feminism ? Your sons aren't any less or any more important than someone else's daughter. That's all that feminism really boils down to.

Yes, absolutely.