Gove: Does he make everyone want to vomit?

[orangeandlemons]

That man. Ugh! He makes me feel sick. The trout pout, the hair, the smarm, th fucking zealot madman policies.

Words cannot express

Nice choice of words

Which FoI request are you talking about? Is it one that's been published?

What wasabipeanut said.

And I'm a bit baffled as to what his lips & any other part of his facial construction have to do with his abilities as Education Minister tbh.

Read the op.... Didn't she question his appearance, not question his abilities? Sheeeeesh people!

Oh scrap that, she is question his zealot madman policies.... But she was also talking about his appearance, thats what I read anyway

I don't like him and I don't like his policies. However criticising his appearance and the way that he looks makes you sound a bit thick to be honest.

That's probably because I had a state education

Or , can't blame my education on gin..... Or can I?

Gove had a state education too, though latter but was on a scholarship to a private school.

He said that Science is a group of facts to be learned. I was underwhelmed by that view. I worry that someone who thinks that is in charge of education.

I don't feel threatened by change. I feel weary. Change is not new in education. It is unremitting.

I love a bit of gin headfairy, but my education involved cider mostly

Moondog - I can tell you now that I only taught half the timetable I teach now, with smaller class sizes that would better allow me to prepare and individually tailor my differentiated resources which would in improve results. I didn't say just smaller class sizes would wolve the problem but more time as well. There simply isn't the money to find this.

What is you think that state schools should learn then from the private sector that would improve things as cost no more money?!?

if I only taught...

I criticised his looks because I am shallow . Not quite however, his whole being makes my flesh crawl, in a a revulsion type way. His appearance is part of this.

In the way that some people are repulsed by spiders other creepy crawlies, he makes me feel the same. His policies, looks and manner all add to this. Ugh, just writing about him goes through me.

Think "Creep" by Radiohead

Ha, ha about class sizes. So funny that moondog wants us to learn from our top public schools, but not copy their class size preferences. There is no proof that there is anything other than being able to poach the best teachers and provide the best facilities and opportunities that money can buy, and exclude the children that "wouldn't benefit from this sort of education" that makes our top public schools so successful. However, despite the lack of proof, we can learn from them in all ways except with respect to their small classes...

Weary. Well said Madonna, let's reinvent the wheel again.

I wish education could be taken out of politics. It should be organised and run by a neutral body who don't come in and stir everything up every 5 years or so. The important thing should be a good education for all students, not someone's political beliefs.

The difficulty with that, orangesandlemons, is who sits on the 'neutral' body? What's neutral anyway? My idea of how education should be is different to yours, I'm sure.

Inevitably differing educational ideologies would fight to get on to the 'neutral' body and you wouldn't have solved the problem at all.

The solution, I think, is to limit the powers of government at all levels. Hand power back to the heads, where it belongs.

Jeepers Bob, did you go to the same school as me?

"One very important step: the PCGE should be recognised as the next-to-useless qualification it is. Gove's moves to cut PCGE funding is highly welcome in this context, but unfortunately it isn't as bold as his other reforms."

Have you studied for a PGCE then Longfingernails? Have you done your NQT year? Taught? Or do you teach on a PGCE? Or are you involved in developing the qualification?

Just wondering how you can speak with such authority on the subject.

Yes Longfingernails, explain how you would differentiate a lesson taking into account, the LA's MA's and HA's, FSM, GT AEN, different learning styles and a variety of ethnic backgrounds. Do explain to us how you would show outstanding progress in this lesson, making sure all students are fully aware of and own their own learning. Have a starter and plenary activity (not question as that is judged as boring). Include a range of exciting and stimulating tasks throughout the task to engage all learners, including the neglected, disaffected and the can't be arsed.

Then show it to MrGove. I'm sure he'll love it, but bear in mind OFSTED will probably fail you if one kid looks out of the window for 5 minutes.

Flatpackhamster, I know what you're saying. There would still be differences, but it would be better headed by people who knew about the neuroscience of learning. There is one guy in England, (can't rememebr his name) who has done lots of research into the science of learning and how the neurons in the brain retain facts. Those are the sort of people who should be in charge of the education system

Don't forget the SEALS and PLTS too, and ECM...............

I didn't think Gove was interested in differentiation within the classroom? Or indeed in stimulating the easily bored? Doesn't he want more of a focus on getting the little oiks to learn to do as they are told; memorising more facts; going at a pace which suits the majority of the class; and bringing back effective chastisement for those who don't toe the line? The brighter, compliant ones (not the questioning trouble makers, unless their parents have enough money to get them out of the system), could get scholarships to private schools like he did, anyway, and the vast rump of those left would come out at the end of it knowing who's boss (the powers that be), able to work to a rigid timetable, able to cope with boredom, good at reading, writing and arithmetic and not questioning the boss or attempting too much independent thought, and ready to work very hard for very little reward: basically doing as they are told by those deemed suitable to have been trained to be part of the ruling classes who will be educated separately from the masses.

Well I think something definitely needs to be done, because kids are leaving school unfit to work. And if teaching them to knuckle down and get on with their work instead of "thinking independently" is the answer, so be it, becuase there's no point in having a nation of "independent thinkers" that are dependent on the state because no-one will employ them.

Lucky there's a private education sector, then, for all those parents who want their children to be the leaders, not the sheep.

Hey yeah rabbitstew. Chalk and talk, much easier on the teacher! Maybe I do like him after all.

The point is we need more independent thinkers, not less. The ability to think independently is highly prized amongst emplyers if I am not mistaken. independent thinking would encourage less reliance on the state. Surely independence means the ability to rely on oneself?

Nope - you learn the sort of "independence " skills the government wants from the Army and they don't believe in independent thought, particularly - more blind obedience.