France and Greece Election results!

[LadyWithEDS]

So, what do you think it means for Europe?

So Novack, will all your savings, insurance claim, you get about £60k for loss of legs I think, friends and family last you to retirement, with all your care needs as I gave you as a scinario, will your pension be enough for your care needs in that scinario?

good for you, wasabi.

I only hire [including banks] when I need to, likewise when needs change, where I go also changes to match the needs. That's business.

Being hard on business also means I need to choose an acceptable social environment because no one else is looking after the business if the socio-political foundation starts to wobble.

People should try countries where you pay for obstetric services, they may not be as harsh when they see how far their insurance takes them.

oh and Novack, if you are married and get divorced, you could end up loosing if it was a bad one £50k in legal fee's and half of your assets. Most men statistically, don't stick around if you are a woman in a male/female marriage, in a situation like the loss of legs scinario.

For teaching, I think every EU country has QTS or equivalent status to ensure familiarity in national language and curriculum before a teacher can begin. It is certainly not a stipulation that has been brought in because of the crisis.

I haven't seen Hollande's immediate priorities (or underlying assumptions and costings) so I do not know how significant a part the increase in teacher numbers is. The increase to minimum wage will of course not be restricted to French nationals.

There will be no more EU bailout cash for France (at least in the short term) as Hollande has pledged to pull them out of the current agreement (effective ending it, probably to Greece's detriment). And was France a recipient in the first place?

There are many many soldiers returning without legs at this moment Lady and I am not aware of them sitting around expecting to be looked after until they die. They recover and learn how to cope with life and can move on to a productive life of employment.

French Banks own the largest proportion of Greek debt I think.

Actually, returning soldiers get a life-time guaranteed index-linked income in addition to their headline lump sum compensation; plus enhanced medical care and a great deal of support from the charitable sector. Was that the point you were intending to make?

And maybe if you ask those same soldiers you will find that not many woman stick around either.

my dad was paralysed due to a degenerative consdition associated with cancer and worked until he was not able to. my parents had worked hard all their lives and saved, so did not need to rely on the state when he was ill.

some people prepare better for hard times, others choose to piss ther money away then expect the state to pick up the tab when things go wrong.

If French banks were heavily exposed to Greek debt, then they would have been major contributors to the bailout (the writing off of part of the debt), and France as a nation contributed to the bail out fund. I can't think if ant part in which they were a recipient: have I missed something?

thirdhill - i dont understand your last post, could you please go again.

Your Dad is fortunate that he had a spouce that stayed around, and that he had enough income, and enough time, after meeting basic needs to be able to have enough to save and to save enough for what happened to him Wasabi.

Sorry about your Dad, wasabi.

This reminds me of a young family I met last year where the mother has cancer. They can pay for initial treatments as they only come to £170,000 [equivalent]. After that they are happy to sell assets including their home to treat her cancer. I hope that will do the job, because they live in a country where everyone pays school fees and to see the doctor. Their children are 5 and 8. That was very unlucky of them, if their kids had been 25 and 28, presumably they could help out. How many people here have £170k savings and assets to fund cancer or kidney failure treatment [on the rise] while paying everytime you see the doctor, buy medicine, go to school? How much do you have to prepare for hard times?

thirdhill - i am pro NHS & dont like the current reforms

lady - you dont know what you are talking about.

wasabi the main point was the harder you are at business the more you realize how important social stability and a sound educational base are. That's the difference between the stupid rich and the always rich.

In what respect do you feel, I do not know what I am talking about?

thirdhill - i largely agree. i am pro spending on education & the NHS.

Your Dad is fortunate that he had a spouce that stayed around, and that he had enough income, and enough time, after meeting basic needs to be able to have enough to save and to save enough for what happened to him Wasabi.

the only thing correct in that list is enough time. that was luck. the rest was not luck. we are not leaves helplessly batted about by the wind, as you seem to think.

I don't understand what you mean, I said he was fortunate to be cared for by your Mother, as others have said many a spouce will run out on someone with health problems, I don't see what your problem could be with that comment ?

I have never come across the comment "we are not leaves helplessly batted about by the wind, as you seem to think" before, I don't understand what that means?

With regards to the income issues, not everyone with a disabling health condition or after having an accident, has gotten to an age where they have managed to build up enough savings to support themselves. Some people are on such low incomes, that they can just cover their outgoings of shelter, good, clothes etc, and they simply do not have enough money spare to save, again I can't see what issue you have with that?

With regards to the income issues, not everyone with a disabling health condition or after having an accident, has gotten to an age where they have managed to build up enough savings to support themselves.

i agree with this part. my dad eart a good salary because of how hard he worked. it wasnt luck. not sure why you feel the need to sugest it was down to fortune not hard work, saving etc.?

personally i would think twice before suggesting someone who was paralysed was lucky.

you put it all down to fortune.

I said he was fortunate, and then listed many things if you read my previous post, and you are twisting my words in your interpretation.

Lots of people work HARD, mentally, physically, emotionally, time wise etc... and don't earn a great deal of money to save enough to be in your fathers position financially.

It is in my opinion to suggest that someone is defined by a disability Wasabi, and it is quite a negative way to look at a person imho!