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WTF are Frothers? Not a quiche, but a protest group. Fighting for the "basic line of British decency" against fiscal brutality.

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garlicfrother · 22/01/2012 01:28

What are Frothers?

The term "Frothers" came about one dank and dismal November day in 2011. A frustrated user of the parenting forum Mumsnet started a thread about her dismay at the cuts that the Conservative/Liberal Democrat government was inflicting on the British public.

She stated that she was not "quite a frothing berserker but I am getting rather cross with our government messing with the good stuff".

The good stuff - policies, benefits, institutions that had taken years to achieve were being cut for no good reason, often leaving gaping holes in the fabric of British society.

The NHS, with which we Brits have a love-hate relationship, but like a favourite sibling, we wish to protect from harm.

Sure Start, a successful scheme that supported parents who were struggling and offered children from deprived backgrounds a better start in life.

Universal Child Benefit was cut for those families who had one earner bringing in more than £44k a year. If both parents each earn less than £44k, they keep their UCB payments. This obviously hit single parents and families with a single earner hardest.

Disability Living Allowance and Employment and Support Allowance - which enabled those with disabilities to live a decent life, without feeling that they were begging for assistance or were a burden to the taxpayer.

Student Fees, the introduction of which, contrary to Lib Dem pre-election promises, means that a whole generation of young people will have to think carefully before applying to higher education.

These and many other cuts are being made in the name of austerity. We are "all in this together", but some of us are deeper in this than others.

We all understand that there are sacrifices to be made but why should these sacrifices be borne by those who already have so little?

The general public seems oblivious of the dangers being faced, they are unaware of the injustices being wrought on the already disadvantaged.

The government is winning the war of the headlines. They have blasted the recipients of DLA and ESA as scrounger and cheats so often that the general public believe it. They misinterpret data to "prove" their points. Teachers are painted as being irresponsible and greedy, while the bankers rake in the money.

The poster on Mumsnet was not alone for long. Within a few days, a group of over 30 posters had formed. They asked themselves, "What can we do?".

The idea of a blog was born. Three days later the blog had over thirty authors signed up, a Facebook page and a Twitter account.

The Aims:

  • to open the general publics' eyes to the injustices being created by the governement
  • to inform those who are facing cuts about their rights
  • to link with other activists and charities, in order to put pressure on the government

Are you a Frother?

Come and join us.

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StewieGriffinsMom · 23/01/2012 19:23

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OpinionatedMum · 23/01/2012 19:39

Victory!!!

Although the homeless thing is dreadful the govt have basically been told their reforms were cruel to kids. So that may be a bigger victory than it seems. PR disaster. Whoop whoop!!!!!!!!!

OpinionatedMum · 23/01/2012 19:39

Don't behave SGM!

OpinionatedMum · 23/01/2012 19:41

Tories propose to starve kids shocker!

That's worse than Thatcher milk snatcher! Smile

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lubeybooby · 23/01/2012 20:15

The HoL have done it again www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-16675314

TeWihara · 23/01/2012 20:20

There is another vote after dinner about whether or not you will be allowed 26weeks to sort out your affairs and move if your situation suddenly changes, or if you will be subject to the cap straight away.

RatherBeOnThePiste · 23/01/2012 20:32

Yes that is good news, but am somewhat deflated by IDS saying that the Gov will simply overturn this decision when it returns to the commons.

I do love a PR disaster though!

TeWihara · 23/01/2012 20:38

Theyve said that about everything so far... but if the public put pressure on MPs to support the amendments potentially it could push to ping-pong between the houses and the whole lot could get thrown out

MmeLindor. · 23/01/2012 21:25

Val
REPORT - that poster is a bloody trouble maker, always very offensive. Hope MNHQ keep an eye on here/him cause she is deliberately offensive. I have run into her before.

Not sure if I can go back there tonight. It is just too horrible.

SGM
stop being nice.

Thread on Relationships about DV - survivors of DV sharing their stories. They have made me cry several times.

Scarletbanner · 23/01/2012 21:33

Hurray for the Bishops! Gawd bless em.

Even if the Commons do overturn the amendment it will have to come back to the Lords again. Nice to see Ashdown and Williams have found their consciences.

TeWihara · 23/01/2012 21:34

hmm, amendment 60 (the 6mth grace period has been withdrawn) apparently because Lord Freud said he'd consider it. They have been talking about this... but still. If it was me, I'd consider it would not be good enough for me.

There is still 60a about whether carers should be exempt.

Haberdashery · 23/01/2012 21:54

This is an excellent thread. Thank you for keeping me informed, TeWihara. And thanks for the welcome, Hunty.

I have emailed my MP at length. I will do petition-signing and following business tomorrow.

Delighted that child benefit has been excluded. That is very important for the actual lives of women and children who are living in poverty, IMO.

TeWihara · 23/01/2012 21:59

60b has just been withdrawn, which was about excluding kinship carers, (in family foster care?) because Freud said the whole UC system would be structured so that they wouldn't be penalised.

It's not an issue I know much about.

TeWihara · 23/01/2012 22:00

You're welcome habs! Always nice to have new faces here.

MmeLindor. · 23/01/2012 22:02

Hello Habers. Forgot to say hello earlier. Welcome to Frothers. ARe you on Twitter, did you say?

Haberdashery · 23/01/2012 22:20

Hi MmeL. I am on Twitter. And thank you for the welcome. I don't post a lot on Twitter - mainly use it to follow friends and news sites and share photos of my smallish child. But will post some links and hope that they get seen. I have a reasonable number of followers.

I have read some more of the blog posts and think they are great. You're a very eloquent bunch. I'll be sharing on Twitter and Facebook tomorrow.

None of these issues affect me personally as I am lucky enough to be out of the remit of any benefit bar Child Benefit, but I've always believed strongly in the responsibility of the state to take care of those who cannot fully take care of themselves and their dependents for whatever reason. I am aghast at the lack of understanding of the people who are pushing these cuts through, in terms of what it will mean to people's daily lives. I think you are all right - we are tearing apart the fabric of something very subtle and valuable that has been built up since the institution of the welfare state and I can't see how it can ever be put back. Feeling quite despondent, actually. I did a little sum to see how it would work for me if I were renting my house and trying to pay for everything I need on the universal benefit system. I think I'd be left with about £200 per month for food, bills, travel, clothes, heat and light as well as unexpected emergencies for two adults and a child of five. How can anyone think this is all right?

Hunty, if you don't mind, I think I would like to post your breakdown of how the cuts will work for you on my FB page. I think it's both illuminating and shocking. But will obv not put your username in and I won't do it if you don't want me to.

CardyMow · 23/01/2012 22:25

Nah, you can use my MN name - it's been set up so that all my frothy stuff is under the name of HuntyCat. Though it is my RL situation, it's not my RL name (obviously!).

CardyMow · 23/01/2012 22:26

Major victory on getting the Child Benefit excluded - but I see the HoC passing it ANYWAY, just as IDS says. Because it's what they have set out to do, and they WILL do it, by fair means or foul, by democratic process or not.

CardyMow · 23/01/2012 22:29

Kinship carers is where a grandparent, older sibling, Aunt or Uncle or cousin takes guardianship of a child. (Been there AS the child in that situation). Been in the care of my paternal Grandparents, two different paternal Aunts, a paternal uncle, my maternal grandfather...and then in FC. The current situation is baaaaad if you are a kinship carer, and even worse if you are a PENSION AGE kinship carer.

Haberdashery · 23/01/2012 22:30

OK, thanks, Hunty. I will post that, then. I think it's an extraordinarily clear illustration of what it really means to actual people. I think lots of the people who think this is all right aren't actually thinking about what it really means to actual real life people who have feelings and needs and children etc.

TeWihara · 23/01/2012 22:34

I thought that was the case Hunty, but didn't want to say in case I'd got it wrong. I hope they are going to fix it so that they can claim more money now then.

Another amendment 61C hads been tabled discussed and withdrawn. It was about having the benefits payments split between a couple's bank accounts, apparently the tech is there but again LF is just saying "yes we'll think about that" if that amounts to nothing it will be very bad news for anyone living with DV. Sigh.

WinterIsComing · 23/01/2012 22:34

Just popping in the say that I am thoroughly heartened that Hully's post at 14:22:15 on the "Cap on benefits to 26K" is still standing. I bloody love MN sometimes Grin

TeWihara · 23/01/2012 22:40

Going by Twitter and the silence I think 60a (re carers) was also withdrawn, I don't know the reasoning. @carerwatch will probably have the details.

Feeling quite deflated - I'm pleased that CB had been kept outside the cap, but I'm worried about the impact on families with adult disabled children or other relatives they are caring for.

TeWihara · 23/01/2012 22:42

reports are in

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