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Oh Come All Ye Faithful, Frothy and Triumphant! Oh Come Lefties, Come Ye to anti ConDem-nay-tion!

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KateMiddlet0n · 13/12/2011 15:00

Fed up of the ConDems robbing the poorest and most vulnerable blind? Sympathetic to the squeezed middle? Have you eyes that can see the horrors that await the dismantling of our welfare state and all that is great and good in UK?

Then you're a frother. This is our safe-space to rally, vent and get organised. You are also welcome if you want to be better informed and/or do something.

#Frothers don't join - #frothers ARE. Check out the blog for information and actions you can take, like us on www.facebook.com/frothers Facebook for bite-sized chunks of frothiness you can read, like and share, or get ye to Twitter and tweet your frustrations using the #frothers hashtag or follow us @TMC_frothers.

Our blog toomanycuts.blogspot.com

Facebook www.facebook.com/frothers

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This is our 4th thread now!

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MmeLindor. · 19/12/2011 13:53

oh, Katie. Don't let it worry you. Keep the thread hidden. Some people are very combative and have to be nitpicking holes in other's posts.

MmeLindor. · 19/12/2011 14:02

Come here IF YOU ARE WILLING TO WRITE A POST FOR THE BLOG

Just so that 12 days of Xmas posts don't get lost amongst general frothing.

KnottyJustForChristmas · 19/12/2011 14:10

Can someone add this petition to our petition section, please?

The OPen Uni petition against higher ed tuition fees

They are resisting implementing fees as they believe education should be open to all.

MmeLindor. · 19/12/2011 14:44

Will do, Knotty. Am off to the doc now.

Have posted a Monday Media Round-up with some links from the weekend. Thought I would try and do this once a week.

KatieMistletoe · 19/12/2011 16:43

Love love love the Monday Media Roundup! Fab blog post too.

Apologies I haven't got onto Twitter yet - I logged on, saw 400 pms and fell over.

Thank you all for your kind words earlier. I am feeling better now. Possibly because a few people have piled in with support (instead of brand new posters turning up out of the ether to deliver yet another kicking) and I realise now that no one is actually reading what I'm writing, just what they would like to be there. Rule 101 of Mumsnet that is Plus I've uploaded the xmas survey so that's one less thing to do.

I'm off out tonight so won't be around but keep on keeping on - it really is fantastic.

Hope all goes well at the docs MmeL.

AvadventKalendar · 19/12/2011 16:44

Really liking the media round up, excellent idea MMe :)

MmeLindor. · 19/12/2011 17:59

Glad that you are feeling the MN love, Kate.

Back from doc. She can't hear anything on the lungs, but is sending me for xray tomorrow to be sure. I am feeling worse than ever now though, perhaps the driving.

Am loaded up with meds.

AvadventKalendar · 19/12/2011 18:07

Hope you're feeling a lot better tomorrow once meds have kicked in Mme, not nice being ill this time of year when there's so much to do.

AnyFuckerForAMincePie · 19/12/2011 18:11

Hope you feel better soon, Mme

KatieMistletoe · 19/12/2011 18:12

Not exactly feeling the love but not weeping pathetically any more. Glad you're lungs sound ok and hope the meds kick in soon MmeL. There's some nasty stuff about at the moment round here, flu then chest infection then cough that goes on for ever. Not sure it's got as far as Switzerland yet though.

Have a rest tonight.

KatieMistletoe · 19/12/2011 18:12

you're lungs? DYAC! your lungs

garlicnutcracker · 19/12/2011 21:02

The Swiss part of my family claims you can't get colds & flu there, due to all the clean mountain air and boring healthy living. It's rubbish, of course! Hope your meds fix you up, Mme, and you manage to get enough rest.

I'm sorry you suffered MN attack, Kate :( The fact that it's the interweb doesn't help or change anything - I came under fire, mostly in my previous incarnation, and it is genuinely upsetting. There are real people publishing those words. I haven't seen yours but hope you're okay and manage to get it in perpective ("perspective" meaning: wherever you go, there's always some cunt wanting to have a pop at you!)

Am very frothy. Thanks, everybody, for proving what a wealth of talent and goodwill there is in the world. The talented & good far outnumber the cunts Xmas Wink Maybe that's what scares 'em, eh.

ProgressivePatriot · 19/12/2011 21:22

I don't mean to split hairs but as the 'lefty' frothing position on cuts is pretty obvious, i'm just curious to hear a 'righty' frother actually setting out what their position is, and why it is that they define themselves as right-wing rather than left if they are anti-cuts?

And I've noticed a really overly apologetic bending-over-backwards tone amongst some of the lefty lot when trying to placate some of the rightly posters, which i don't really understand; i think we should puff out our chests and walk tall in the knowledge that our principles are based on equality, compassion and love for our fellow human beings.

MmeLindor. · 19/12/2011 21:32

Progressive
There have been a few Tory voters on the thread, who have stated their objections to the cuts.

For my part, I don't want to demonise the right. They may not share the same political opinions, but they do want the best for the country and think that their way is the way to achieve this.

We need to mobilise people to speak out against the cuts, not because they automatically oppose anythign that the ConDem government proposes, but because they see the unfairness of the cuts.

SenseofEntitlement · 19/12/2011 21:40

I really want to be involved, but I don't know how - I can write posts, or you are welcome to reprint anything I have written on Sense of Entitlement or on The Camel's Hump

My "area" is mental health and social policy type stuff, although I can write on all sorts.

I keep checking in on the frother threads and getting all overwhelmed. How do I go about submitting/applying to write?

MmeLindor. · 19/12/2011 21:47

SEO
Have a look at the blogger thread about hte 12 days of Xmas, we could do with some posts for that.

Sign in there, and I will send you an invite to contribute

Scarletbanner · 19/12/2011 22:28

Has anyone been frothing about legal aid cuts. Even Norman Tebbitt thinks that taking away legal aid from children involved in medical negligence cases is going too far:

here

Very worrying.

TapselteerieO · 19/12/2011 22:34

garlicnutcracker good links in your thread, I tweeted them - that is what bugs me about all this, we are angry with the Government but they are the puppets.

TapselteerieO · 19/12/2011 22:34

not thread, I meant post sorry, I am on my third glass of Black Isle Red Kite.

garlicnutcracker · 20/12/2011 00:31

Thanks for the tweets, TO, I saw them and was duly flattered :)

I keep reading up on things (making a case out of research is my thang, really) and get so incandescently angry, I have to leave it and pour a glass of something to take the edge off Blush

I don't know where to start with it all. I can't write a twelve-page post of rantiness, but neither can I yet isolate a few issues to focus on. It's all dreadful and frightening. The most cloaked issue, imo, is workfare. I may have to contact some of the protest organisations directly to get reliable info.

Meanwhile, Mum tells me her village church - which has a fortnightly service, maximum attendance 20 except at Christmas - is going to close because they can't get a curate or verger. "They could get a free one!" I chirped, helpfully.

That's the sort of thing "community work" was supposed to be for, isn't it? I'm no fan of the churches but I'd rather some reluctant youth was embraced by a grateful village than sent to drip the public blood into Sainsbury's coffers. Hrrmph.

Wrt to the recurring socialist theme on this tread. I AM A CAPITALIST. I'm a sort of a lefty capitalist - my politics were born of Heath & Wilson, basically - but not a socialist. I don't think I'm any less bothered about the matters to hand than those who call themselves red. So please don't try and corrall me into your field.

CardyMow · 20/12/2011 00:53

I'm sorry I have been rather absent lately. I have had to throw missiles at my disgusting house. It now looks habitable again. And rather gaudy. I even have decorations up in my toilet and bathroom. Just in case The Big Man In Red needs the toilet when he is here. Xmas Hmm. (DS2).

I will finish off my blog post about the financial losses when 'transitional protection' is lost on UC, compared to the amounts on UC, tomorrow, and will post it on Wednesday if that's OK. And then I will have to go a bit silent, trying to make our first Christmas on our own a bit of a magical one, and I'm not used to doing it ALL on my own. Xmas Grin.

Getting there though, also getting frothy about DC and his Christianity thing and 'alternative lifestyle choices' being the reason behind Broken Britain. Yeah, like I chose to be a Lone Parent?!

And, of course, DC, I chose to be diagnosed with a disability, and I chose to have two dc with disabilities...

Bloody Muppet, DC is if you ask me. Not that anyone is.

garlicnutcracker · 20/12/2011 03:16

You go, Hunty! Grin

Good news, good news. UKUncut's audacious legal suit against HMRC is paying off and ALL today's newspapers have front-page headlines about fat cats being the real welfare frauds. Well, unless the fat cats manage to get Kate Middleton to flash her fanny before 4:30am, in which case the real news'll be on about page ten Xmas Wink

Pressure needs to be maintained.
? Benefit cuts while benefits support free staff for businesses.
? Folks being separated into deserving and undeserving poor, while jobs for the 'deserving' are undermined by workfare.
? Taxpayers subsidising breadline wages for high-profit enterprises.
? Incompetent fraudsters running workfare schemes.
? Doctors' opinions discounted in favour of a computer program that was declared illegal in the US, of all places.
? Deliberate destabilisation of the NHS to facilitate privatisation.
? Schools being shaken up once again, while further education becomes the province of the rich.
? Housing policies so inept that young working people have to sleep on the street.
? Councils so corrupt & inefficient that tenants are made to live in unfit homes, which would be condemned if privately owned.
? 2 million homeless families. 350,000 empty houses.
? Lack of upcoming talent due to education fees, lack of investment, lack of training schemes and a hopeless, insecure generation.
? Continued blaming of the population for costing money, while a further xty billion is pumped into the Olympics.

Greed, incompetence, weakness and bigotry everywhere you look in Westminster. The opposition is not oppositional. We, however, have votes and we have voices.

We pay them, not the other way round. How long are we going to let them keep funnelling our money into offshore funds owned by people who buy politicans nice lunches? We didn't mind that much for a while but, now?

Someone has to make the numpties think straight! Frothers are not the only voices; there's a steady murmur and now it's getting loud.

Please, if you have something to add: say it on Twitter with a #frothers hashtag and/or to @TMC_Frothers, say it on Facebook via Too Many Cuts #Frothers, leave comments on the blog at toomanycuts.blogspot.com, write a post to the blog, and most of all spread the word.

SK's post about shifting her family's comfortable assumptions (mainly, that the cuts wouldn't affect them) is a fantastic example of how one conversation can make a difference. When you hear those assumptions being made, counter them! If you're a great networker - online and in real life - highlight some of the issues. Link to our blog, and/or to other relevant info.

Now the dissent's getting louder - now it's not just "whingers" but demonstrably strong, articulate and influential voices - people will feel more confident to have their say too :) It's a democracy, you know!

MmeLindor. · 20/12/2011 06:32

Do you think Nick is a secret Frother?

Wonder if the Euro humiliation was the kick up the arse that man has been needing to stop pandering to Cameron.

I LOVE THIS STORY cause it proves what I have been saying for YEARS. London banks will not up and leave cause Switzerland is too boring for them.

AvadventKalendar · 20/12/2011 07:56

No Tewi around? I wonder if she's busy with a newborn Xmas Grin wouldn't that be nice, first frothy baby :)

Just checking in, am away to read the papers and then twitter and see what's what today.

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