Parents meet-up at St Pauls/Occupy London?

[zelda200]

Hello all - would anyone be interested in meeting up at St Pauls on Wednesday 26th under a parents-for-change sort of banner?

I went to the start of the protest on Sat 15th (with my two kids, 3.5 and 1.5), and was struck by the need for more so-called ordinary people to be there, as otherwise it might get dismissed as just the "usual suspects" (far-left agitators etc). I think just from talking around that a lot of parents think this is important for our kids' future. I would like to take a stand against the growing inequality in this country.

Anyone interested in meeting?

Thanks

No, I am not an anti-capitalist. I think Icke is right in that piece i.e. we don't have real capitalism, we have cartel and casino capitalism directed by central committees rather than free and fair open competition.

But I am not against protest. I just hope that the protestors are not fooled by the Central Committee's climate catastrophe cul-de-sac.

GOHWEE the key phrase for me there is "some businesses" there are always winners & losers in any situation, I'm talking about the losers. When you lot go, those very same small catering outlets will be the losers when tourism dips (hopefully temporarily)

GLASNOST I'm not talking about the daily visiting protestors who obviously can't stay. There are always the back up gang which are very welcome to any protest.

SO you can't put a tent up & be comfortable?? Chain yourselves to railings, sit down on the pavements, make a nuisance of yourselves to the folk you are against that to me is what effective protesting is about!

The rightwing capitalist propaganda machine as you so succinctly put it rubbishes any movement that threatens their interests. My info on the Occupation movements I've got on the ground. I was in NY for the first week of Occupy Wall St. Go along to see what it's about.

Independent media outlets without economic interests are easy to access.

The only truly unbiased media though is a critical, autonomous mind.

When bemybabe tutns up it's time to go out and enjoy the Italian rain.

"Her kind"?

So what if teh protestors go home? This is all a media diversion.
Do the wheelchair bound disabled protestors have to freeze overnight in the pouring rain to make their protest real enough? They have got off their arses and done something they believe in.

Nobody is talking about the supposed target of the protests, just about thermal imaging and empty tents. It's the type of hot air and empty vessels that the media want to direct the public towards. I expect the media to wangle global warming into the mix soon, and then the media will have the public right where they want them.

glasnost: the official Occupy London spokesman confirmed it on Channel 4 News last night.

So you don't believe the camp's spokesman, on the record, and to camera. The exact proportion of tents empty is disputed. But the basic fact that there is a high level unoccupied isn't.

BTW: what has my occupation to do with anything?

What does it matter if the tents are empty at night? The media are also at home in bed at night. It's during the day that people and the media turn up again.

'The rightwing capitalist propaganda machine as you so succinctly put it rubbishes any movement that threatens their interests.' - or puts an alternative point of view that may have some value? Do you see no irony in the way you are responding

'My info on the Occupation movements I've got on the ground. I was in NY for the first week of Occupy Wall St. Go along to see what it's about.' - I have a clue what it's all about, as do most people. If I don't, then that's down to the poor communication of the protests themselves who seem to have several grievances, not all of them connected. 'On the ground' is a pretty vague way to get information about something that purports to be global.

'Independent media outlets without economic interests are easy to access.' - OK, well, I'm asking and I wonder if you could point me in the specific direction of these easy-to-access outlets?

'The only truly unbiased media though is a critical, autonomous mind.' - setting aside any discussion of the meaning of the word 'media', are you suggesting that posters on here who disagree with you somehow lack a clear autonomous mind? That anyone who disagrees with you can't have a clear autonomous mind because you DO have a clear autonomous mind and these are the conclusions you come to?

"The only truly unbiased media though is a critical, autonomous mind."

Oh my aching sides. The ultimate ironic statement.

'"The only truly unbiased media though is a critical, autonomous mind."

That's why I ensure that I maintain my subscription to the Daily Mail.

You ARE difficult aren't you, Lemon? Instead of nit picking on here get involved and active if you're genuinely interested. If you just wanna have a pop at me there are already plenty on here fulfilling that obligation so why join to the herd? (teehee)

claig you're on the money (pun!) about the irrelevance of number of tents occupied or not at night and it IS a diversion tactic. Why don't they cover the protesters' points, indeed. Your lovely DM fell into this same trap though I believe.

meditrina it intrigues me as you seem a professional upholder of ALL the establishment and powers that be peddle us as eminent and true. Why do that?

I've just heard that Berlusconi's standing down at xmas. Must dash so hurry and trot out pat answers those of you who haveto.

And a pedantic swipe at Lemon who should check out the etymology of the word MEDIA. A mind is a medium or used to be til the rightwing propagandistic press took over your minds!

You ARE difficult aren't you, Lemon? Instead of nit picking on here get involved and active if you're genuinely interested. If you just wanna have a pop at me there are already plenty on here fulfilling that obligation so why join to the herd? (teehee)

I'm asking questions, and if you are so keen to communicate your message then why aren't you rushing to answer them? What's the shuffling and trying to get out of it, if you are so convinced you are right?

Believe me, I have no interest in having a pop at ANY poster, but since you've been very aggressive in your dealings with people who disagree with you, and taken a strong position on this and other threads, then it's to you I'm asking the questions. It's not personal, obviously. Instead of entreating me to 'go along' (I live in Scotland), perhaps you could just answer my post of 9:58:22.

What a strange post!

I have been posting here about the lack of occupancy in the tents, as confirmed by Spyro van Leemnen. I suppose that makes him an upholder of the establishment too.

I am flattered by your casting me in a conspiracy, but the St Pauls accounts come up on the first page if you google for them.

"Nobody is talking about the supposed target of the protests, just about thermal imaging and empty tents"

This is because this is all the demonstration is achieving, for as long as the only ones incurring harm are a Cathedral and some small businesses.

Spyro van Leemnen

Did he work for bankers Leemnen Brothers?

'This is because this is all the demonstration is achieving, for as long as the only ones incurring harm are a Cathedral and some small businesses.'

No, it is because that is what the media wants the public to focus on, rather than the bank bailouts which the politicians paid to the bankers out of the public purse.

'No, it is because that is what the media wants the public to focus on, rather than the bank bailouts which the politicians paid to the bankers out of the public purse.'

Then can we agree that the protesters have in fact failed to get their message through? And by staying at St Paul's they are damaging their own cause?

The message is so vague that 'the media' have been able to focus on whatever they like.

I think that progressive pied pipers may have led the protestors up the wrong path and then phoned the media and paparazzi, telling themn to bring along their thermal lenses, after they led them into the cul de sac.

Well done claig! You see pay attention other MNters. She's a righty so should be a wrongy in my booky but I actually think she's okey as she has autonomous mental faculties.

Lemon there are various occupations in your fair land. It's not my job to convince you. David and Goliath ring any bells though. What you want me to answer I don't know but will take this opp to remind meditrina I'm still waiting for her reply on my US fascist thread.

'It's not my job to convince you.'

If you consider yourself a campaigner for this cause, then that's exactly what your job is! To persuade me and everyone else of the justice of your position - and to make the world wake up to the injustice you protest about.

You are doing a poor job of it. I'm asking where I can get the same information as you, unbiased by other evilness. Why are you dodging that, whilst so keen to tell everyone else how brainwashed they are? And why you think that anyone who disagrees with you must have no autonomous thought, or whatever laughable insult you choose to put in place of actually having an answer to these questions. This isn't nit picking, this is having a discussion and seeing if your position holds water when it comes down to the details. It's academic but crucial.

Do you think that there's any chance that your clear autonomous mind may have been influenced by far left agitprop? Are you uniquely in a bubble of pure information that others are too stupid to access? Or is there a chance others are smart intelligent beings who hold different views from you?

Why's it crucial, Lemon? This is an internet forum - not the UN.

Why don't you cast such a severe gaze on the posters dismissing and dissing the protesters? Do their arguments "hold water"? Or are they half baked notions, prejudice, flimflim and dodgy media stories dressed up as reasoning tools? Except Bossy who has some good points but hardly practical. Come on now.

What's your position exactly? Why are you against the Occupation movement. Spell it out. I don't come on here to convert others to my "farleft agit prop" (copywrite Telegraph or Times?). What's far left about justice? When protesting against the cruelty of a corrupt, clapped out economic system can be liquidated as far left agit prop then your political side have no arguments left whatsoever.

BTW those who claim to be sympathetic to the cause yet against the choice of location should go along instead to the camp in Finsbury Square.

Somehow I think holes will be picked in that location too, though.

Too many have set their default switch to siding with David over Goliath. Including the so called Christians who run St. Paul's. When not raking in the cash from their corporate sponsors, caf, restaurant and other very worldly things. Would Jesus approve? Or would he side with the protesters? Hmmmmmmmmm.

Oops meant Goliath over wee David, obviously.

The BBC said that this was on the Cathedral's website:

"With so many stoves and fires and lots of different types of fuel around, there is a clear fire hazard," the letter said.

I wonder what the letter to the Finsbury Square protestors will be?
Will it be

"With so many stoves and fires and lots of different types of fuel around, there is a clear hazard to the planet. I mean what on earth is this doing to the "carbon footprint"?