Warm words from Cameron on immigration

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but what a shambles the immigration policy is.

The policy should be to rescind all rights to benefits, legal aid, etc. from every economically worthless migrant of the Labour years - including to dependents - to encourage them to emigrate; to leave the EU so we can control EU migration; introduce work permits, breaking the automatic link with residency; and ditching the stupid quotas which are stopping lawyers, professors, and surgeons coming to the UK.

Immigration is a good thing if it is the right sort of immigration. If it is bogus asylum seekers, extremists, and those who fundamentally disagree with the tenets of British society but are happy to scrounge off it (generally speaking, the sort of people the Labour party went out of its way to let in, because it could bank their votes) then immigration is worthless. If it is high-net worth individuals, entrepreneurs, and scientists, then we should welcome them without putting silly obstacles in their way.

tethersegg when I read the OP I assumed it was Nick Griffin

Nobody could make the right look any worse than lfn does

"Once the private sector gets it's claws into the NHS and the public provision shrinks away just see the prices rise when their is no alternative. They want to profit from your illness that is the first and foremost concern of private medicine."

Newwave makes my point nicely.!

And nasty Waitrose want to profit from my hunger, evil Waterstones from ds's love of books and horrible, horrible Mumsnet from my addiction to communicating with strangers.

Time for bed...

My husband was saved by his private health cover, which was fast and super competent in organizing emergency care. NHS was not able to provide anything for 3 weeks; our GP months after the op said this delay would have cost him his life. The surgeons are the same on NHS as private, so it is often funding and organization that is different, not the medical competence.

NHS is not perfect and it is ok to ask questions whether it is the best system our taxes can provide for us. Bringing ideology of whatever colour is plain evil.

Your are aware that LFN is a Daily Mail Hate leader writer. :o

To be fair LFN is well informed if at time somewhat misinformed. I have at times (shock horror) found points of agreement with her and we are very much from opposite sides of the political spectrum, then again a stopped clock is right twice a day :o

bemybebe

Are you saying if the private sector took over the running of the NHS everybody would get the same level of treatment as your partner ?

Would the NHS see a marked improvement in every service at every level AND the private providers make a profit.

I would be impressed if they can, how are they with loaves and fishes :o

And nasty Waitrose want to profit from my hunger, evil Waterstones from ds's love of books and horrible, horrible Mumsnet from my addiction to communicating with strangers

No comparison unless I can choose what provider and what treatment I will receive from a privatised NHS until then I would rather trust the decisions were made by someone not checking with MediDeath's head office to see if my treatment will be sanctioned.

I shop in Waitrose by choice and ditto regarding where I purchase my books, others would decide which private provider to use and my needs would not be the only criteria to be considered.

I am not 'saying' anything, but I do think it is right to ask questions without any hidden agenda. Incidentally, we (my dh and I) have the insurance that is standard for a western european country he is from and this is their equivalent to NHS.

NHS itself is not precious, efficient health system accessible by all at the point of need IS.

newwave "if my treatment will be sanctioned."

Primary care trusts are sanctioning your treatments right now.

I am also off this thread. I am also tired. It is really too serious a subject to bring ideology of WHATEVER colour.

Primary care trusts are sanctioning your treatments right now.

Indeed they are but they dont have an eye on the shareholders dividends and the boards bonuses.

All healthcare systems are struggling right now. The French healthcare system is indeed good, but it is also very very expensive - 11% of GDP compared with 8.4% for the UK. So if you are saying more money for healthcare, then go ahead, because if we have a lot more private care in the NHS it will be a lot more expensive. The NHS generally scores highly on value for money in international comparisons, and whenever private provision has been imposed it has frequently been more expensive and lower quality. That's not to say that there aren't things that waste money (huge and pointless politically driven reorganisations being one of them, another being the difficulty of closing hospitals with excess capacity, such as St Barts a few years ago).

Oh, and re immigration there have been a number of studies that suggest immigrants bring benefits in the long run, including both high value economic immigrants and those that have come as refugees. This is generally ascribed to the theory that immigrants are more driven than the average person and so work harder to succeed. Having migrated myself (although away from the UK rather than toward it) I can definitely agree that it is very hard!

nooka ''Having migrated myself (although away from the UK rather than toward it) I can definitely agree that it is very hard!''

Have you returned to the Northlands with Noggin the Nog?

Lol. Glad you got the reference to one of my favourite shows :) No we are in Canada