Warm words from Cameron on immigration

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but what a shambles the immigration policy is.

The policy should be to rescind all rights to benefits, legal aid, etc. from every economically worthless migrant of the Labour years - including to dependents - to encourage them to emigrate; to leave the EU so we can control EU migration; introduce work permits, breaking the automatic link with residency; and ditching the stupid quotas which are stopping lawyers, professors, and surgeons coming to the UK.

Immigration is a good thing if it is the right sort of immigration. If it is bogus asylum seekers, extremists, and those who fundamentally disagree with the tenets of British society but are happy to scrounge off it (generally speaking, the sort of people the Labour party went out of its way to let in, because it could bank their votes) then immigration is worthless. If it is high-net worth individuals, entrepreneurs, and scientists, then we should welcome them without putting silly obstacles in their way.

LeonieDelt

As an American, what is the attraction to you of living in the UK rather than the USA ?.

newwave Sun 17-Apr-11 19:54:56
*"I think it would be better if we threw out all the unpleasant people"

I too would like to deport the Tory party but I think there are international laws against the dumping of toxic waste*

I am not commenting on the thread, but I would just like to say that I nearly wet myself at this!! brilliant!

If we are going to violate the sanctity of the voting booth, why not let Labour voters pay off the National Debt over the next 100 years?

Those of us sensible enough not to believe Gordon Brown's fairy economics ("getting rid of boom and bust") could then have lower taxes.

If we are going to violate the sanctity of the voting booth, why not let Labour voters pay off the National Debt over the next 100 years?

Those of us sensible enough not to believe Gordon Brown's fairy economics ("getting rid of boom and bust") could then have lower taxes.

have I missed something

Chocolate, I thank you :o

The NHS versus the French single-payer system? Just as simple - the French system, with more choice and state-funded private provision, wins every time.

No other country in the world has copied the NHS model. Why?

I am bitterly disappointed that the government is rowing back on privatising the NHS. The lack of productivity in the NHS is terrifying.

How about the UK NHS versus a German or Singapore style insurance model? Why always compare to America, rather than countries with better average health outcomes?

The NHS is a massive mistake. It embeds socialism at the heart of our public spending. Providing healthcare free at the point of use is just civilised. Having the government deliver that healthcare is monumentally stupid.

LFN, you are totally right. the NHS should definately be privatised. all these feckless wasters thinking that they shouldnt have to choose between food and treatment for medical conditions, especially when there is a deficit. which was totally brought about by the labour government, after all, britain is the only country in the world struggling.

am going to hide this thread now, my blood pressure cant take it!

I just don't understand the monumental arrogance of the left - they simply won't acknowledge that there are better healthcare funding models than universal government provision.

I am happy to acknowledge that the American model fails many Americans. Yet the left fail to acknowledge that other models outperform the NHS model. The NHS badly needs to be privatised, otherwise it will continue to lag behind. We have reached the limit of what we can spend on healthcare - and yet healthcare costs will inexorably rise. The only way to square the circle is to increase productivity - and the fastest way to increase productivity is privatisation.

chocolatecoveredlissielou Did you miss the part where I said that the NHS should remain free at the point of use?

I want private providers, not private funding. What exactly is wrong with that?

LFN, I am not entering into an argument with you. I disagree on every point and i havent the energy. I cant abide the "Im alright Jack" mentality of the right. but i dont start endless threads to state that. I dont think that private providers of medical care is the way to go, I think that it will widen the gap between the rich and the poor and many seriously ill people wont get the same quality of treatment as they would if they were rich. you disagree, bully for you.

"I want private providers, not private funding. What exactly is wrong with that?"

Tis ideological LFN. All around us private companies deliver us goods and services in a reasonably efficient and effective manner. But our NHS is too important for that. So despite all the evidence that the NHS is both inefficient and wastefull - it must be protected from the 'evils' of privatisation!!

Other countries may learn lessons from our mistakes and go with what actually works- but not us apparently...

Every thread I read by you, lfn, makes me more certain that you are working for the Labour party

I dont want medical treatment delivered by a company who are more interested in their bottom line and the directors bonuses than patient care.

I dont want a branch of the MediDeath PLC deciding anything about my treatment.

Once the private sector gets it's claws into the NHS and the public provision shrinks away just see the prices rise when their is no alternative. They want to profit from your illness that is the first and foremost concern of private medicine.

newwave, i think youre my new mn crush, you have just said exactly what I was trying to, but better.