Minimum wage and tax rates

[newwave]

A few Tory MP's are suggesting removing the minimum wage.

Tory MP's also want the 50% tax band removed.

Tory MP's want the inheritance tax level raised.

To me this is Tory thinking in a nutshell.

Fair enough but what is your opinon anyway.

It was to be expected that the cuts would be called 'Tory cuts', and I am sure that Miliband won't fail to mention it.

The Governor of the Bank of England said that whoever won teh election would be out of power for a generation, due to implementing cuts that would be forced on them.

The Tories knew all this. that is why they are in a Coalition, in order to share the blame. They have no choice, they are destined to implement the planned cuts, just like the Governor predicted. They hope that the public will understand why the cuts are necessary (due to teh dire state of the finances bequeathed to us by the previous regime), but they are under no illusions that they will be very unpopular. But, they are responsible for the Ship of State and cannot relinquish their duty. The Governor knew what needed to be done and what the consequences would be, and so did the Tories. They knew that those who bear a great responsibility would snipe from the sidelines and put the blame on those who have the burden to deliver us from this almighty mess.

But they are the Coalition, they are the Conservatives, and they will not cast aside their duties; they will courageously carry out changes to correct the calamity inflicted on the communities of this country by those nonchalant accusers from the sidelines, who jeer and jipe jackass-like and deny all responsibility, happy as hyenas to wash their hands like progressive Pontius Pilates.

Those nonchalant naysayers, those deficit deniers were so blase that they even boasted that they had 'abolished boom and bust', that they had 'saved the world' and that there were only '50 days left to save the planet'.

Some people even believed them and echoed their inanities, and were devastated to discover that the nonchalant ones left a not saying 'there's no money left' and had the effontery to think that this was funny.

But the Conservatives of this country never believed them; they were never fooled by these fabrications and fables, and nor were the people of this country, who promptly voted them out on polling day, only to find that they popped up again, this time wearing a progressive portmanteau. But like the wise Conservative character in Harry Enfield's show, the public saw through the disguise and still said 'oi progressives, no!'.

That last paragraph was alliteratively alluring! As are others of yours.

Are they completely off the cuff or perfectly planned claig??

they took a little bit of thought, but not too much. I can wax lyrical on the subject of the progressives at will.

good alliteration by the way. Can you add some about the progressives as well? Sadly I have surely only scraped the surface of the subject so far.

Perhaps tomorrow pal - am practically primed for pillow.

claig, very good, very bombastic :o

The fact that you think the Tory lead government will be out of power for a generation gladdens my heart.

The shame is they will have time to plot the destruction of the welfare state and the NHS and the further destitution of the already poor so as to bolster the coffers of their rich and powerful friends, still it will be a comfort to them to view the social devastation they have caused by their actions as they leave office.

No doubt they will soon take solace as they accept their places on the boards of the companies they served so slavishly when in government.

As always after the next election Labour will as always have to repair the damage the Tories do to society.

I can only hope those LD MP's not of the government will abandon their supine position and help to bring down this unholy alliance of the rich and powerful.

One can but dream :)

Do you seriously believe that Labour would do any different? Was it the ex-Labour minister, Stephen Byers, who said something about 'a cab for hire'? Do you really believe what they say at the despatch box? Don't you realise that they are coached? Weren't you awake during their 13 years of rule? Don't you realise that they are "all in it together"?

claig.

Of course some Labour ministers and MP's are/were "at it" as well.

The difference is that Labour do some social good along the way whereas the Tories dont.

They both do some good.

But in the long run, who does the most bad? Why do the people of this country have to suffer such huge cuts to their services? Why are so many people being laid off? Who caused it? Who was responsible? Who lied? Who said "we have abolished boom and bust", "we have saved the world" and "we have only 50 days left to save the planet"? Who were they kidding? Who pulled the wool over the British public's eyes and blatantly denies it, while blaming the incoming government?

The public knew who, which is why they wanted them out. It was the 'Who' who wrote a song about just such a subject, called "Won't Get Fooled Again". Listen to it and remember.

The public knew who, which is why they wanted them out. It was the 'Who' who wrote a song about just such a subject, called "Won't Get Fooled Again". Listen to it and remember.

Strange you claim your lot will be out at the next election then.

The reason for the huge cuts is because the Tories are using it as an excuse to privatise and dismantle the welfare state which has always been their goal.

I agree cuts were needed but not so deep and not so fast and far better targeted so as not to further harm those most in need.

BTW have you read the article the Tory Minister governor of the Bank of England who states that;

The bankers caused the financial crisis and those who are paying for it are those who did nothing to cause it. Spot on or what.

Who said "sorry, there is no money left"? Who did it?

It was the no cluedo cast of characters, Captain Brown, 'the saviour of the planet', in the living room with the lead piping, and Professor Darling who put a spanner in it, in the kitchen, and the rest of Colonel Bustard's Cabinet who flushed the whole economy down the khazi and then kicked the country up the jacksie and told the voters of a 'future fair for all' and how they promised to 'build a progressive Britain'.

'Strange you claim your lot will be out at the next election then.'

That's what the Governor of the Bank of England says, but I don't believe it. I have faith in the good sense of the people of Britain - they voted the last lot out. They won't forget. They know who did it. They will grin and bare it in the British way, with stiff upper lip. But they won't be stiffed again. They know who stuffed them up, that's why they told them to pack their stuff up.

'The reason for the huge cuts is because the Tories are using it as an excuse to privatise and dismantle the welfare state which has always been their goal.'

You've been listening to Labour spin. Did you believe the 'dodgy dossier' as well? They were very earnest when they explained that, just as they are now when they blame all the cuts on the Coalition government, who have only just got their feet under the desk, and only recently opened a note saying "sorry, there's no money left"

grin and bear it

claig

With all the advantages the Tories had going into the last election they still could not get a majority, after seeing Gideon in action you will be out on your ear.

Someone should have a word with Gideon his sneering demeanour is not helping the Tory cause at all, superficial I know but then again a lot of people voted for that "Nice Tony Blair" based upon his persona, that and the fact they utterly detested the Tories.

I don't think the next election can be called at this stage, we don't even know what system it will be contested under. A lot depends on how the economy fares, if the deficit is eradicated and strong growth is achieved then I think the coalition parties will do well (it would be interesting to see how the votes would be divided up between 2). Alternatively if we only get sluggish growth then I think Labour will triumph.

'With all the advantages the Tories had going into the last election they still could not get a majority'

It was deliberate. They failed to score so many open goals. Cameron had Brown on the ropes over Mrs. Duffy and let him off, he didn't even mention it in the debates. Gordion held his head in his hands, but he didn't need to, it was obvious that Cameron wouldn't even try to land a blow. He let Gordon breathe easily and play the role of 'saviour of the planet'. The Guardian joined in and told its readers to vote for Nick Clegg, the new wonder phenomenon, who spoke of yet more 'fairness' and how it was us who were 'the bosses'. The media treated him as if he was King Solomon.

The Coalition was intended to win for a reason, the reason that the Governor stated. It has got a long shelf life for a reason.

I cannot see it, even if the economy is booming Gideon says the cuts wont be reversed so I suspect unemployment will still be high and the new jobs will be McJobs on low pay.

The Tories actions over the next year or so will increase unemployment by at least 750,000 if you think the private sector will take up that slack in the current economic climate you are mistaken and even if by chance they did I have no doubt the new jobs will be on lower terms and conditions than those lost.

Add to that record youth unemployment then you have an enormous pool of bitterness directed at the Tories.

This is a one term government

It is not a one term government. The Labour leader at the time of the next election will be a clown on purpose, he will have Cameron on the ropes, but will not land any blows. He will let Cameron breathe easily. The Labour leader will deliberately put his foot in his mouth on as many occasions as humanly possible. He will baffle the pundits on the Guardian as he appoints more clowns to top Cabinet positions. Why, they will ask? He will say, "this is not the time to strike", "we are all in this together", and he will shake the next Prime Minister's hand, as Cameron again takes up that position.

Very possibly, the Guardian will yet again tell its voters to vote for the Boy Wonder, Nick Clegg, who will doubtless deliver another sage speech saying that we "are the bosses".

tell its readers

You should be on the comedy circuit :)

TBH If the AV vote is lost I cannot see the coaltion holding after all what is in it for the non ministerial LD MP's except electoral oblivion, they will increasingly rebel to try to get some credibility back with the parties far larger labour leaning left wing and the voters they "betrayed".

I can also see a challenge to Cleggs leadership on the horizon.

Anyway, goodnight it's late and I have a long drive to see my first client tomorrow.

Nice conversing as always