Minimum wage and tax rates

[newwave]

A few Tory MP's are suggesting removing the minimum wage.

Tory MP's also want the 50% tax band removed.

Tory MP's want the inheritance tax level raised.

To me this is Tory thinking in a nutshell.

I think looking at whether there should be regional variation in the minimum wage is different from whether there should be a minimum wage at all. Living costs do vary widely between the different regions and so trying to adapt the minimum wage to take this into account is sensible if it can be done.

In which case, Huddspur, a Bill like Chope's would be exactly what you needed to allow for different minimum wages. Perhaps Labour will support it, with amendments.

GrimmaTheNome I think MP is an acronym for masturbates persistently (w~~k~r)

Chope is a typical MP in that respect but I think during these times of economic doom and pure capitalism he may find quite a lot of support from fellow Torries.

I'm not sure that would work hudspur - given the variation within regions. (not to mention people like me where no-one can really decide whether we're East Midlands or East Anglia )

It's all in the wording though, if the wording is ambivelant and vague it will open a loop hole through which private companies will exploit very cheap labour.

Quite Baroque, I lived in a house where the sitting room was in east sussex and the hall in West sussex.

it won't get past it's 2nd reading so the wording is irrelevant. (though is some of the really bizarre "cock" bills the wording can be quite funny)

Baroque- I don't think it could work either but I do see why it may be investigated

Not necessarily: the current legislation provides for there to be a minimum wage, and sets out how it will be regulated. Companies then have to follow that. I haven't seen the text of the Bill (wasn't published at the time it last came up in MN), but if could amended to say that regional rates could be set (say for London and the other cities listed on Ed's webpage) but these may never be lower than the national one.

meditrina

But overall, we are stuck with the Coalition agenda until the Opposition formulates an alternative costed plan.

Let us hope it is a fair and equitable plan and unlike the Tories plan not based upon the victims of the recession paying the highest cost whilst the Bankers keep on pigging at the financial trough.

yes I suppose they could - but then they'd discover that the cost of living in and around Harrogate (for example) is a fair bit more expensive than Leeds (just down the road), but quite a lot more than further up the road in Darlington.

And then some MP that is based in a low cost of living area will suddenly hate the idea because he's near the border with a region that has a higher cost of living and all his staff abandon him as their wage drops so much they can't afford to keep their job.

I believe this government is wanting to try and encourage people to travel further for work.....limiting people to either their own immediate region or the better off regions near to them kind of goes against that grain.

"Let us hope it is a fair and equitable plan"

it's a fecking cock bill (I like that term that's what I'm going to call them from now on ), 100's get read, 100's get thrown out.

Meditrina a posted a link to the bill, it isn't their intention to set regional minimum wages.

basically if you ammend the bill by taking out

"who ever works will not work for less than X an hour"

and replace with something vague which doesn't actually state minimum as an unalterable, non variable fact irrespective of economic environment, region, post or employer then it will undermine the whole basis of the minimum wage.

Newwave, something occured to me today about the deficit. After reading that the deficit is in fact Mickey Mouse Money, owed to ourselves, tied up in monsterously complicated financial products, just like GoldmanSachs wonder mortgage products, I wonder if Georgie actually understands the finer detail.

When asked how the cuts would effect his family, he waivered and only eventually came to the conclussion he would lose child benefit.

I mean, good grief if he doesn't know what his own income is, god help us

The dastardly deficit idea is a con con, used to bring in our own disaster capitalism, an excuse to privatise the NHS, education, Universities and make social cuts, etc etc. while making the rich richer with corporate tax cuts, new bankers bonuses etc.

Georgie is a twat or an arse, pick your favourite.

I still like the lib dems though.

Chope's Bill has now been published.

(Newwave: I wasn't aware of a Tory plan. The Coalition is a separate entity. The Opposition is not putting forward alternatives - worrying as can only assume they haven't any better ideas).

HHLimbo. Are you suggesting there's no deficit and this is just all Tory lies to allow the rich to get richer?

Oh please....change the record.

NG2

Yes their is a deficit and yes they are using it as an excuse to allow big business to take over and pillage the public sector.

The deficit is an excuse to screw the welfare state and those that depend on it which has always been a Tory goal.

It's you that needs to change the record with your blind support of the Tories.

The Coalition is a separate entity

Yes in the same way as a poodle and it's owner are.

The unit "dog and owner" is different from "dog" and "person" separately.

The demonisation of the word Conservative is one of the more blatant and puerile of the current Labour tactics.

HHLimbo, have you read the book, someone else reccomended it.

I have had a look around the website it's compelling and certainly shocking.

meditrina, Labour does not need to demonise the word Conservative the Tories can do it well enough by themselves.

Theresa May said rhe understood why the Tories were known as the "nasty party" (and with good reason).

When call me Dave became leader he let it be known that they had to detoxify the Conservative party.

Former party leader Michael Howard was described as having "something of the night" about him by Anne Widdecome who worked in the same ministry as him.

Thatcher destroyed lives and futures for many people and left despair in her wake.

No Labour does not have to demonise the Tories.

If Labour does not need to, I'm surprised at their recent co-ordinationed adoption of it. It is so transparent as a tactic, and sounds particularly unconvincing from Balls.

meditrina

Just politics, in the same way any Tory asked about cuts spouts "with the financial crisis we inherited from Labour blah blah blah" before dodging the original question.

I will make one point and I would ask your opinion on this as we seem to come from different sides of the political divide, I notice that amongst the general public (those i know and hear/see/read in the media the expression "Tory cuts" seems to be gaining traction and the public seem to agreeing that they are indeed "Tory cuts".

The Tory "story" about the need (right or wrong) for the cuts seems to be being ignored.

In fact the Tories are once again in a lot of peoples minds are yet again the "nasty party" or at least seen as "uncaring"

I would like the Tory view on this please.

Maybe a Tory will Arrive on the thread and help you with that one.