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Minimum wage and tax rates

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newwave · 28/02/2011 23:32

A few Tory MP's are suggesting removing the minimum wage.

Tory MP's also want the 50% tax band removed.

Tory MP's want the inheritance tax level raised.

To me this is Tory thinking in a nutshell.

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GastonTheLadybird · 28/02/2011 23:34

No way would they remove minimum wage, I am no fan of the tories but that is scaremongering.

GrimmaTheNome · 28/02/2011 23:38

How many want each of those things?

Most parties have a few members with ridiculous ideas which are not supported by the majority.

(there might be an argument for raising inheritance tax threshold sometime but not in the current financial pit)

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newwave · 28/02/2011 23:40

Gaston, I number of Tory MP's have suggested it in Parliment and have considered a private members bill.

The other suggestion was not to upgrade it during this Parliment so the value drops with inflation.

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newwave · 28/02/2011 23:42

Grimma, not sure of the numbers but it indicates the Tory mindset.

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smallwhitecat · 28/02/2011 23:44

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GrimmaTheNome · 28/02/2011 23:51

It doesn't indicate 'the tory mindset' unless a lot of them think that way. It indicates the mindset of however many tories think that way.

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newwave · 28/02/2011 23:53

I heard they eat babies and drink the blood of their own dead too.

Not quite correct, poor peoples babies and blood. :)

Like it or not the Tories are, screwing the poor and needy, letting the bankers off the hook to fuck up the economy again. Planning to let their mates plunder the NHS and the Public services. Letting big business pay whatever tax they like (or none at all).

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smallwhitecat · 28/02/2011 23:55

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newwave · 28/02/2011 23:55

Grimma, for all the Tories who say it in public there are many who agree but have the sense not to say it out loud.

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smallwhitecat · 28/02/2011 23:56

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newwave · 28/02/2011 23:57

SWC

Bless. your persistence is quite touching in funny sort of way.

Thank you but it is the duty of all decent people to oppose evil.

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GrimmaTheNome · 01/03/2011 00:00

for all the Tories who say it in public there are many who agree but have the sense not to say it out loud.

How do you know? I don't know many tories (or any other politically affiliated people) IRL so I wouldn't know...

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newwave · 01/03/2011 00:10

SWC

I see your amused which is nice however those who due to Tory policies will lose their jobs may be less amused.

It may amuse you but most decent people dont find increases in homelessness, Home repossessions, child poverty, debt and squalor, misery, early deaths at all funny.

Still you have a laugh.

I dont know if your a Tory but it would not come as a suprise if you were.

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GrimmaTheNome · 01/03/2011 11:08

So what if a few tories do want those things? So long as the government overall doesn't.

What is actually happening at the moment is partly driven by wanting to rein in the overinflated State, but mostly economic necessity. What part of 'tory mindset' would scrap the Ark Royal?

Increasing the aid budget doesn't quite fit the stereotype either. So whats at the back of that?

QueenBathsheba · 01/03/2011 22:33

If you follow the link you will see that Tory MPs have put forward a bill making ammendments to the minimum wage Bill.

services.parliament.uk/bills/2010-11/minimumwageamendment.html

One of the MPs Chope has in the past tried to defend his right to pay people 87p p/hour

huddspur · 01/03/2011 22:38

I wouldn't worry about what a few backbench MPs want to do. There is no chance of the minimum wage being scrapped

QueenBathsheba · 01/03/2011 22:54

What makes you so sure huddspur?

? Goerge Osbourn's cuts are putting thousands out of work
? David Cameron has the false belief that the economy will grow and private companies will start employing millions of unemployed people some time soon.
? Ian Duncan Smith is out of carrots and so using a stick he will make the long term unemployed "enforced labour" as volunteers.
? Andrew Landsley is out to privatise the NHS and give bonuses to GPs for not treating patients.
? Nicolas Soames is calling for less regulation, so that overseas big businesses and corps will start up in the UK.

? Why would these businesses come here if labour is cheaper in India and China,

Well that is because very soon the difference in labour costs will be negligible.

So all in all, everything will be profit driven, why do you think that waged labour is likely to be overlooked in this.

huddspur · 01/03/2011 22:57

Because I've never heard anyone in the senior positions even float it as an idea yet alone propose it. This is just a private members bill and quite a few of them are way beyond the political mainstream. Add to this the Liberals would never vote for it.

BaroqueAroundTheClock · 01/03/2011 23:05

actually - have to agree with huddspur here Shock

BaroqueAroundTheClock · 01/03/2011 23:06

gah - lost half my post

given that it had it's first reading last year, if it was going to get any further than the 2nd reading then it would habe been floating around the news rather a lot, and more senior politicians would have been heard to voice their opinion on it.

Seriously - you could give yourself kittens if you read all the private member bill that are read out and believed they would actually get anywhere with them Grin

QueenBathsheba · 01/03/2011 23:10

Do you think that labour would never vote for it?

Milliband was right behind the original proposals but that was in relation to the fact that he agreed on regional variation.

That probably isn't workable though.

Basically you can not undo a bill once it has been passed but you can make ammendments to it. Have a look it's interesting reading.

www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/cbill/2010-2011/0029/cbill_2010-20110029_en_2.htm#l1g1

Who would think that the Liberals would be fine with privatising the NHS but they are! If you look at those who voted yes on the Health and Social Care Bill you will see that the Lib Dems are desperate to stay where they are!

GrimmaTheNome · 01/03/2011 23:11

Sometimes, 'private members' bill is an unintentionally appropriate term for the cock they come up with Grin

meditrina · 01/03/2011 23:13

Chope's Bill (Second Reading due in the next few days) is a Private Member's Bill, not a Government one, and should not be interpreted as representative of Conservative thinking. He's tried it before, and it was booted out. I expect it will be again.

But overall, we are stuck with the Coalition agenda until the Opposition formulates an alternative costed plan.

BaroqueAroundTheClock · 01/03/2011 23:15

lol very true Grimma Grin

You see it looks good to his (or her) constituents if their lowly backbench MP has stood up and put forwards a bill - most don't bother looking to see what the proposed bills propose - they just think "oooo - that's good they're ery active" - when in actual fact they're quite active spieling a pile of crock.

I have been known on (very rare I hasten to add occasions sit and have a browse hrough the PMB's that have been thrown out once they've had their 2nd reading........and snorted loudly while doing so.