Burning Skin? Nausea? Headaches? PROTESTORS BEWARE

[peacelovingmother]

Let me make it clear that I am not posting this to frighten anyone or dissuade from protesting, quite the opposite. But everyone must be made aware of this.

I have been protesting lately, after being active a couple of years in the field of disability rights. My local council do not like me very much.

Since October I have been suffering from burning skin (often worse at night), nausea, headaches, disrupted sleep, poor concentration, electric static and shock feelings... you name it. :(

Recently I discovered through Googling that these are symptoms of electronic harassment, and that it had been used on the women
peace protestors at Greenham Common in the 1980's. I will try and post a link to a video about it later.

Anyhow, apart from the symptoms, you can tell you are being harassed by using an EMF / ELF meter. They are available cheaply on eBay. If you want a good one, get one that covers low frequencies. Mine is 16 Hz upwards. I am currently setting up a Facebook page to expose this and posting videos of the EMF / ELF meter readings in my home. If you are a target I would encourage you to do the same. A cheaper method, if you have a magnetic compass, is to walk around with it and watch where it deviates from true North. It is picking up electromagnetic fields.

Its apalling that the government has stooped to this low, and that because they have our names and addresses can target us like this. My entire family are being targetted, the world needs to know about this crime against humanity.

I did lots of research on microwaves that the US armed forces had invested heavily in. I was hearing voices, I thought the voices were put there through these waves, using helicopters. I also used to do a lot of demonstrating.

I had psychosis.

I wouldn't describe this thread as 'hilarious'.

I don't think anyone is finding pyschosis "hilarious" - believe me I would be the last person to think that it's hilarious after what happened to me.

However, there are people that genuinely believe this stuff without having any form of MH issues.

I don't like this idea that we go around labelling anyone with whacky ideas as being mentally ill - so I'd rather err of the side of them being well unless they show other odd symptoms.

Not to comment on the OP, but people saying What-helicopters-har-har obviously don't know about these, with six police forces currently planning them.

Ohh it's like the start of a Stephen King novel.

I told a CPN what I described above and was labelled mentally ill on the spot.
However you are right, if this wasn't impacting on the OPs life or her families life and was just a strange belief then yes. It doesn't sound that way though does it.
I did a lot of research on all this whilst ill, I don't really want to go back into it as I've had to shut that point in my life out, I never came to terms with that particular belief. They do have the capabilities.

She's either right or this belief is wrong and is negatively impacting her life, neither option is that good.

presumably though MotherNight - you described the above along with other symptoms? And you must have already been diagnosed with a MH issue to be seeing the CPN

There is no evidence of this for the OP - just (the 2nd) strange believes on electronic whatsits in the space of a few days.

Lots of people believe things which negatively impact on their lives, and others around them it doesn't automatically mean that they're mentally ill.

The reason police forces want unmanned surveillance drones is that they remove precisely the restriction that Baroque pointed out - that manned helicopters cost serious money so you only use them when you have something serious going on.

Once the price of surveillance drops there will no longer be so much "push-back" from the cost, and the surveillance can be done speculatively. Essentially, fishing.

You're right I'm probably projecting. The very similar beliefs I held at that time were paralysing, I didn't go out, I suspected everyone. I guess I just want to help someone who is in the position I was.

I wouldn't discount what she says though she may well be right.

They're still going to cost money and man power to use those surveillance drones to send out electronic pulses at a given time when only the OP is at home.

MotherNature - I see a lot of labelling on Mumsnet (and other forums) of people with strange ideas as being mentally ill - which, IMO, undermines the issues surrounding those who are mentally ill. Of course the OP may be suffering from psychosis, in which case I hope she has someone close to her that can refer her to the right places. However, she may not be either.

peacelovingmother I for one believe you. There is a reason why there is so much intent on knowing the identities of normal everyday protesters as well as (I don't know if this is a good term) "career activists", the info is being gathered to deal with these people when the government sees fit and how they see fit.

Unfortunately in England there is a lack of belief that a government could do such things as it is considered a "respctable" government globally, unlike Libya for instance where people are gunned down in the street.

What people need to realise is that it is exactly these types of "respectable" governments that would utilise these covert methods of control to avoid tarnishing their image and can excercise such practices as the general population will be disbelieving.

It is not that far fetched when you look at what governments worldwide are capable of. The mass extermination of jews and gypsies in Germany and other parts of Europe went on for an extended period of time without the rest of the world knowing. If that can happen then so can this. Look how much stuff has been exposed through Wikileaks that no one knew about!

Anyway, conspiracy rant over

this is all really interesting.

can i ask though, what is the point of this harrassment.

i mean if someone is being harassed in tehir homw, tehy aren't auto matically going to think "this is because i was protesting, i wont do that anymore" are they?

i really do promise to learn how to spell.

Well I don't doubt that our, or any other respectable government is capable of covert methods of control, or information gathering where national security is concerned, I'm just not sure that the OP campaigning for more wheelchair ramps outside M&S in Slough or wherever, would be terribly high on their agenda. She's hardly Jason Bourne now is she?

I asked that, Booy. It just doesn't add up. Unless the OP is Up To Things.

sorry chickens, i missed your post!

Anyway. Let's suppose this is true. OP, surely you can contact one of the many organisations who would love to prove you right; you can go for a private medical check to have your symptoms analysed and confirmed and you can have testing equipment placed in or around your house or about your person to show unusual levels of interference. You seem like a pro-active kind of girl. Surely you can contact the necessary people to make this happen, then go to the left-wing media with it? Why aren't you?

(talking to ourselves now - she came on here especially to tell us this in her first ever post, and now I think she won't be back.)

The seeing helicopters thing is a very common complaint from people who really need psychiatric assessment.

I see helicopters. Real ones. All the time. They fly really low over my house because I live near an airfield.

I have also worked with many many people who believed the government were sending electrical waves etc into their brains, all joking aside, many many of them did indeed use metal and tinfoil to protect themselves.

The people affected were many different ages, backgrounds, inoffensive people who had never protested anything or had any involvement in anything which could cause then to be targeted.

The only thing they had in common with each other was mental illness.

OP you really need to speak to a health professional regarding your issues.

Fanny, you make so much sense. I doubt we shall see the OP again, though.

"I'm just not sure that the OP campaigning for more wheelchair ramps outside M&S in Slough or wherever, would be terribly high on their agenda"

Blardy hell.

So that "Stop the Abolition of DLA" thread doesn't appear on your MN, then, Fellatio? And R*n's just away for a little holiday in the sun?

I attended this demo last month against massive cuts and ATOS. There were about as many police as protestors, plus plain clothes cops who seemed to be in authority (they gathered uniform for a little meeting right by where I was lying). They'd prepared a huge response, from the looks of things.

I can't comment on the OP's situation or mental health, but fuck me you must have your head up your arse if you think ramps in M&S are top of the list for disabled people right now.

Sorry, I don't expect everyone to be expert in issues that don't affect them.

But the flip side of not knowing anything is that you then can't dismiss said issues - you don't know enough to pass judgement.

No I don't think that at all TIANC - I was trying to be flippant, tongue in cheek, and funny. (that's still allowed isn't it? Only you never can tell on here. ) The comment was supposed to refer to the fact that she seems to have been campaigning at a local level as her council don't like her. If this was a serious thread about disability rights and the wider implications of cuts then of course I would not have made such a comment. But I do think the OP is a little deluded about how much of a concern she is to the authorities - don't you?

Its not about a few ramps or minor things like that, its about shutting down the few people who are anti establishment and who work to educate the masses about how their rights are being ignored. Its about the bigger picture. Whole revolutions started out on a very small scale and grew into something bigger and that is ultimately what all governments and controlling powers fear. So its about shutting it down at the root point to avoid it growing, that is why these situations are so plausible.

The OP may indeed need psychiatric assessment but she may just be telling the truth too.

It is inappropriate to be flippant and take the piss out of a woman who is likely to be suffering from psychosis.

OP please see your doctor. There are tablets that can deal with this very effectively.

How terrifying.

Anyone who finds this funny should hang their head in shame.