Well done, congratulations

[newwave]

With unemployment now reaching 2.5 million and youth unemployment at a record high the Tories have done so well in reaching their goals so quickly, still this is not the time to stop, 4 million unemployed must be your next goal.

How about going for a record number of rough sleepers, I know the Thatcher government has the record but surly you "bastard children of Thatcher" can do better hmmm.

And how about record bankers bonuses your friends in the City must be very happy at your capitulation, still I understand it's tough to take money from your own kind, far better to screw the poor and weak.

And all the stories about the damage you are doing to disabled children, you must be very proud.

SAME OLD TORY SCUM.

Oh, go away.

Mittler, why? all I have said is true.

And if Brown had been re-elected he'd be sat in No 10 now playing Father Christmas, would he?

That is, fundamentally, the problem Chil - the Labour party now are more right wing than the Conservatives were 25-30 years ago.

So no, Gordon Brown wouldn't be doing much better in terms of addressing inequality, and providing genuine opportunities for the mass of people in the country. He would have felt obliged to provide a greater level of sticking plasters though.

While it is true that if you are suffering life threatening bleeding, a sticking plaster isn't much help, it is probably better than nothing - you might be able to glue your wounds shut with it enough to survive.

Newwave, because I am sick of MN Tory-bashing!

Newwave - I agree with all you've said.

And Mittler - Tory bashing is necessary because the damage has started and it's scaring the life out of many of us.

Whatever Labour's faults (and there were many) never would they have been so utterly complacent about the reality of so many peoples' lives.

Having so many millionaires in the cabinet does absolutely nothing for representation of ordinary people.

Tory bashing is an MN sport. It's the MN form of fox hunting. Whatever the Conservatives did, the MN majority would bash them. Sadly.

Mittler, the Tories get "bashed" because they deserve it, they are not known as the "nasty party" for nothing. They do things that hurt the weakest, those that cannot fight back but the rich and powerful they fawn over and give way.

"no more than a £2000 bankers bonus" "Dave" said that and what has happened, sweet fuck all thats what. "Dave" is either a liar or a coward or both, his words, his lies.

"I will keep CB as a universal benefit" guess who said that and "I wont touch EMA". Cameron is a proven liar.

Dont worry though you have a few selfish Tories on MN who think like you, not many though, thank God.

Mittler, may I add regarding Fox hunting.

Fox hunting is the hunting of a small defenceless creature that cant fight back by blood thirsty sadists who like to see terror, pain and suffering inflicted on it. this sounds like the Tories to me so poor comparison.

"Having so many millionaires in the cabinet does absolutely nothing for representation of ordinary people"

That one always makes me laugh. Labour had the likes of Tony Blair and Peter Mandelson in the past and they were all rolling in cash and living millionaire lifestyles. Only difference was that they pretended to be 'ordinary'.

'selfish Tories'. Thanks, newwave.

Chil: absolutely.

'selfish Tories'. Thanks, newwave.

To repeat myself, if you vote Tory then you vote for a party that has ALWAYS attacked the poor and needy. You may think (and fair enough) that the Tories other policies outweigh their inevitable practise of raising the level of child poverty and driving down the already meager living standards of the poor and needy.

You may think the Tories policies on say, transport or schools or the NHS are very good and you will vote for them on this basis BUT you know that with the policies you like that inevitably the nasty mean spirited policies in regard to the poor, needy and now disabled children are part of the package, you may even think this is a good thing.

This IMHO means a Tory vote is a selfish vote, maybe you think that protecting those in need is not important, who knows or just maybe Tory voters thought that "Dave" was different.

Maybe i am missing something, many people vote Tory and I cannot believe they all agree with hurting the weakest in society but they vote Tory anyway, confuses the hell out of me.

It was the "a few selfish Tories on MN who think like you" that grated. How do you know what I think, beyond a one-liner about being fed up with Tory-bashing on MN?

Your potted version of what Conservatism is about strikes me as ill informed and narrow minded - but it presumably reflects your own experience. My own experience of the former Labour government is that its policies were 'nasty and mean spirited' - but that doesn't make everyone who voted Labour 'selfish'. They had their own reasons - good ones, in their opinion; appalling ones in mine - for voting the way they did. It doesn't give me the right to slag them off en masse, any more than it gives you the right to slag Conservative voters off as a generality.

newwave mistakes (a) spending other peoples' money on one's own pet causes for compassion and (b) a desire for financial rigour and responsibility for selfishness.

*With unemployment now reaching 2.5 million and youth unemployment at a record high the Tories have done so well in reaching their goals so quickly, still this is not the time to stop, 4 million unemployed must be your next goal.

Ok, so how quickly has it reached 2.5 million exactly?

How about going for a record number of rough sleepers, I know the Thatcher government has the record but surly you "bastard children of Thatcher" can do better hmmm.

Of course. No rough sleepers during The Blair/Brown years. Not at all.

And how about record bankers bonuses your friends in the City must be very happy at your capitulation, still I understand it's tough to take money from your own kind, far better to screw the poor and weak.

13 years of Labour government. The banks did very nicely out of them, I believe.

And all the stories about the damage you are doing to disabled children, you must be very proud.

Disabled people have been campaigning for better services for years. Well over 13 years actually.

SAME OLD TORY SCUM.

Same old what scum???

Decid, TORY SCUM, you know the Tory MP's and ministers.

Re Unemployment, Rough sleepers etc, yes they all existed under Labour but never as bad as under Thatcher/Major and they will all rise again under "Dave & Gideon". The Labour party always has to fix the social damage inflicted by the Tory government it replaces.

As for unemployment it is always at it's highest under the Tories. Thatcher said "Labour is not working" in 1979 but went on to quadruple the unemployment figures.

Labour, far from perfect but far better than the Tories.

Tories and compassion are an oxymoron.

I tell you what, the last government fiddled the figures so much with regards to unemployment (all of them have, BTW)that it was shocking.

Pension Credit for a start. Over 60's unemployed were put on Pension Credit instead of JSA, so it wasn't counted as unemployed.

It wouldn't surprise me if the nations unemployed already hit over 2.5 million before this lot took over. It's all one big nasty joke. The number of welfare dependants increases every year no matter what party is in government. It's swings & roundabouts all the time, and for everyone who says that Laboour have to fix the social damage the Tories have created, it's the Tories who have to try and fix the economy that Labour governments tend to destroy.

Welfare comes at a cost, and borrowing is always at it's highest under a Labour rule.

I'm not a Tory, BTW..I happen to think they are all bastards.

I hate these over-simplified bollocks OPs that pop on on Politics; life is never, ever, that black and white. Yes, there's a hell of a lot wrong with the ConDems. Equally, the Labour Party's hands are far from completely clean (and I say that as a member). To just point and laugh and use words like "scum" is a waste of everyone's time.

This isn't debate, it's name calling. I hate it when it's Labour-bashing, I hate it when it's ConDem-bashing. Come up with a reasoned debate and people might want to join in.

Amen :)

Amen squared.

I'm not a Tory, BTW..I happen to think they are all bastards.

Fair enough but the Tories are by far the biggest most nasty bastards.

You're name-calling again. Rather like your friend George Galloway, you're confusing name-calling with debate.

Chill, In your world it seems that having a strong (and correct) view is name calling. If you noticed i was responding to a previous post.

Galloway is hardly my friend and i dont agree with all his views but in regard to the Iraq war he has been proved (mostly) right.

We have different world views, I believe compassion trumps profits although I am well aware of the need to make money. I would rather give a helping hand to the poor instead of a tax cut/break to the rich, you may not agree.

I would prefer to raise pensions for the poor not bonuses for bankers (or pensions for Fred the Shred).

I want a society that helps the poor and needy not demonises them like the Tories (benefit scroungers)

I see DLA as an essential aid to the disabled to a barrier to work.

The Tories are not called the nasty party for no good reason.

"Rather than a barrier to work"

newwave - the abused children of Islington that grew up with Margaret Hodge as Chair of the Housing Committee might have a different view of which was the 'nasty party'.