cuts - Wednesday's Spending Review

[mrsbaldwin]

Brace yourself ladies - these cuts are big, there will be tens of thousands of public sector redundancies and it's said (by the Fawcett Society amongst others) that they will disproportionately affect women.

Some workers will get some sort of payoff, and some will be pleased to go. Some will find new jobs.

But I reckon the overall effect (licks finger and holds it in the wind) will be to drive down women's wages, meaning that once you are made redundant from your public sector post you may find more work but it will be at a lower rate and the extra competition for jobs across the board will drive wages down across the board. This may be true for men as well but I think it will affect women - mums - more.

If you are watching the press coverage on Weds, what do you think the effects of the cuts and the job losses for women (and mums) will be?

Trident

I agree with retirement age although i think it needs to be spaced out; DH and I would happily work until 68, some people cannot becuase of their profession.

I don;t ahve an issue with the 24 hour TC limit for those where both aprents can work; exemtpingc arers would cost pennies, relatively speaking.

I emailed them with a suggestion that we could use our chidlcare grant to buy in a Nanny so I could work- same grant that everyone else gets, just different for SN kids- no reply. No additonal cost, ++ of additional tax payable.

I'd up CGT on private rentals except where LLs choose to rent to a HB claimant as stick-and-carrot solution to the Hb crisis.

I'd be willing to take 1p on NI, whcih we do actually pay.

Ther;' I reckon those woudl mroe than cover the bit I am complaining about, frankly.

Coming out of the EU would be a massive cost saver too. The savings in less than an hour would pay the wages for nurses to rid of the shortgage altogether. Imagine what you would do with the rest of the money in a day - never mind a month.

But I take it, kiwi, s we are all in this together we can set up camp in your garden yes?

ta then, see you at 5 [grin[

Hear hear GideonsMum. The cuts needn't have been so painful if there was a more sensible balance of tax rises to spending cuts. Canada and Sweden have been held up as models of deficit cutters, but they both had a fairer mix of tax and cutting, which means that the poorest are not hit so hard.

Gingercat - there is a difference between the cost of the bailout and the effects of the crisis.

gingercat the money the Government used in recapitalising the banks does not count towards the structural budget deficit. The deficit grew during that period due to the resulting recession not the actual bail out.

Good points, but sadly that still would not be enough. I really hope that yourself and others in your particular situation are helped but you can't deny the fact, there are alot of people that have cheated the welfare system and need to start working. Also I do think the banks should be paying back more sooner.

Instead of these cuts, I would increase tax (because there is money, it just isn't in public hands) and provide for people by giving them jobs rather than benefits.

Of course this would be quite painful for some people, and they might threaten to move abroad, but these people are just scrounging off the work of others so that they can sit in front of their wide screen televisions in their home screening rooms, so I wouldn't really mind.

It's all about spreading the money available more fairly and giving people the opportunity to work for a living wage.

The cpmplaints I made were more than coverd several time sover in two minutes; i think I did rather well tbh and helped with hosuing crisis- how much do you want, woman?!?

Seriously I don;t seek to deny anything but actua;;y the benefits disabled chidlren get are very rarely falsely claimed in relation to others; DLA- tough as old boots, there's someone on Mn with a terminally ill dhn just refused it; carers- only for those getting mid or HR DLA. EMA- not applciable to kids: I think that should be tightened up, yes, the one GP signs you off system is silly.
Though they've got it wrong with how theya e doing it- people with ASD refused benefit because they can pick upa pen? WTF? Soc an ds3; 3 minute attention span though, wont ever go out alone, excellent employye he'd amke. And of coure thsoe with ASD not exactly best palced to appeal, ASD being what it often is.

There's this idea that by having specific issues you are anti any cuts or unwilling to take any flack: not so. people make cock ups (see odd chidl benefit changes), they can be addressed in the name of fairness.

Gideonsmum I actually do have room in my garden if you need to set up camp for awhile.

ANd you know I agree ++ about people who ahve cheated the benefit system- I woudl say jail them but we can't jail costs slashed.

And i have no empathy for anyone who chooses not tow work; I do for any dependants who have no options however but thats a different thing.

kiwichick74

what is it with some of the posters on here who see nothing wrong with baiting those with disabled children or who have circumstances not quite as fortunate as their own.

I am shocked. I never really posted on mn before yesterday and don't think I'll bother again as the level of spite/vitriol/nastiness is appalling.

Jeez, there but for the grace of.... go all of you heartless bitches - may you all stew in your own piss one day.

That is what I have been getting at all along. Help dependents,elderly,Poor(not benefit cheats).

laydee I think your post just collapsed MN (but I love you)

Seriously though, whilst i struggle with many attitufds at least this gives us a voice: atb elast if people then go around saying for example 'oh yes why should non working mums get WTC' they know, somewhre deep down, that they are afecting carers too. That is important.

hmm Kiwichick did you have another name last night?

and yes i think we all know there are some that cheat the system but theres a dam site more that dont and are really struggling and these cuts going to make it even harder

Thanks ImGideonsmum (sigh of relief). I read that they are going to freeze tax credits as they are at the moment for 3 years, I assume giving them time to implement it, but dont know how true it is

help the elderley can we clarify not all elderley are poor yet they can all get heating allowance

Quite peasntsa; plenty ar epoor of course but Mum is quite poor and doesn;t udnerstand why she gts it and many poorer but younger do not.

Three years eh? Hmm. I'll only ahve ayear of working with DH before I can sack him and get a more fun job. Yay. Bloody electrical components.

Gideons Mum - thank you.
i posted yesterday as the other Laydee blah blah but it was a bit weird having two of us (coincidently) on here so I name changed as I don't post often.

Seriously though, I know this is a platform but who needs to hear such nastiness as spouted by some on here.

I have an asd son also, I know what it is like to be beaten up in your own home, to have it trashed etc just because you have told him to go to bed. But you know what, he's mine, I love him and I would give my last breath for him.

And I might have to if he is left to the mercy of this shower of gobshites when I die.

I just wish that those who don't have to walk in my shoes would show a little more humility for their good fortune. But they probably won't unless their circumstances change - here's hoping.

It's difficult; I would never wish sn on any child so cannot hope for karma but I do wish they could know, for a day. Even if just a hint such as a childcare dearth.

Am I on the wrong blog I thought this discussion was for all mums who would be affected by the benfit cuts. Ladydee where have I been spiteful or abusive towards disabled children.

yeah though i always think tht they show themselve sin their true colours and for everyone thats coldhearted and have the im allright jack theres 2 m ore that do stop and think there for the grace of god/allah/life go I

People life can change in less than 30 second sthink some posters need to remeber that

What I always think is I wish the publci state comparison would be taken to it's extreme.

I mean, if oyu took out car insurance and had an accident and then they wrote to you saying sorry for your bad luck but in the interests of protecting the company (UK PLSC) and it's investors (taxpayers) you were getting zero- well anyone would kick off right?

So it is with NI.

had I never apid in then maybe I woudl be mroe easily dismissed, but with paying comes a sense of- well it's a hte word on MN but so be it- entitlement.

yep i paid in for long time but my life changed in a few seconds when ds3 was born and then when my marriage went down the pan and all of a suddern i became a scrounger in some peoples eyes

I would love to work f/t be valued as a person but ds3 needs me to fight for him becuase no one else will and he is unable to fight care for himself

Well of course you did we don't often get the "I got knocked up on a one night stand and have never done a days work and nor do I ever intend" to types on mumsnet do we, doesn't mean they aren't around.