cuts - Wednesday's Spending Review

[mrsbaldwin]

Brace yourself ladies - these cuts are big, there will be tens of thousands of public sector redundancies and it's said (by the Fawcett Society amongst others) that they will disproportionately affect women.

Some workers will get some sort of payoff, and some will be pleased to go. Some will find new jobs.

But I reckon the overall effect (licks finger and holds it in the wind) will be to drive down women's wages, meaning that once you are made redundant from your public sector post you may find more work but it will be at a lower rate and the extra competition for jobs across the board will drive wages down across the board. This may be true for men as well but I think it will affect women - mums - more.

If you are watching the press coverage on Weds, what do you think the effects of the cuts and the job losses for women (and mums) will be?

Employers are fuckers, Dp's tried to pay him 40p an hour more for being a team leader, he told them to jog on.

Minimum wage is a joke, this fucking country is a joke. I'm just wondering when the unfairness level will reach critical tbh.

I am still most bothered about the loss of the half a million jobs.

This is the part of the news bulletins that pricks my ears up and from what I have heard it's admin jobs that are planned to be axed and I am sorry but that is no bad thing. The mistakes I have seen on peoples medical records for example by people who are not qualified and therefore to them it's double dutch they are entering onto the system. It may seem ridiculous to ask Dr's to do their own admin but if they know what is being produced is factually correct that could save somebody's life.

Yeah, how would abolishing the MW wage lead to a wage increase? You are basically saying there is a perverse incentive to pay the lowest wage rate. But if you abolish the MW there is a real incentive to drop it further, isn't there?

Hallow, it's late and I'm a bit thick, but how would wages go up if the minimum wage was scrapped

exactly you cut minimum wages and people already at the bottom of the ladder going slide even further , me thinks you cant see that

If i had a business lets be honest if i could get someone doing a job For £3 a hour you would emply that person

right now all that stands between that happening is something calle dthe minimum wage.

sorry halloweeseg
i can see just how simple it is and im just a lowely scrounger who dares to ask for money to help me care for my son .oh with a big arguementive streak .I dont make a very good peasant do I

Though quite fancy ripping into a few mps to and asking them some akward questions

'Minimum wage is a joke, this fucking country is a joke. I'm just wondering when the unfairness level will reach critical tbh.'

It will never reach critical. Look at the French, they fight for their rights. Here, most people think those "bolshy" French are wrong.

hmm you reckon we could lead a peasant revolt

Oh I admire a lot about the French. They had a proper revolution for a start [hgrin]

hehe claig dunno reckon im bolshy enough along with stubborn and pig headed

Add message | Report | Message poster HalloweeseG Wed 20-Oct-10 21:29:20
Yes! They will have to. At the moment a deep layer of employees are being paid mw because the companies know that they need 16 or whatever hours plus mw for the govt to top them up.

Take that away, people will move to where the pay is higher, employers will have to pay market rates.

Minimum wage and tax credits are an artificial construct to keep the "working poor" poor and dependant.

you sound great roundthebend4, but there aren't many like you. The French are fighting to stop their retirement age going from 60 to 62. Here people will happily swallow a retirement age of 80. The unions are a total joke, suntanned Tony wotshisname is a joke. I want roundthebend4 to run the unions.

Mamatomany - I kind of agree that asking docs to do their own admin is no bad thing. But over time the hours stack up and soon you need to hire another doctor to fill in whilst everyone else is filling in forms.

Plus, aren't police, teachers, CMs etc always complaining they have to do too much paperwork and it keeps them from their real jobs?

I don't know if there are half a million 'admin' (by which you mean back office/support function, right?) jobs to cut - some of them will be real policemen and real prison officers. Like I said in the OP there will be some people who welcome the redundancy payment. But everyone else will have to find more work ... and this may well be at a lower rate of pay.

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why will people move though your talking if they can afford to
and employers in one area to another not going to think hmm were pay more for staff over here why companies outosurce and mov eout of london etc they pay the minimum they can get away with it

Staff in say selfridges on shop floor area paid no more if in London as in many outlying towns as a example so if they cut it they will cut everywhere.Sojme with local councils many staff on low wage no matter where they live end of day compnays do not give a shit if there staff get topped up they will pay the minum they can no matter where they live or work

'Take that away, people will move to where the pay is higher, employers will have to pay market rates.'

employers will never pay higher wages unless the law forces them to. That is why employers and the government allowed Eastern European immigrants in, unlike France and Germany who had a delay of several years before they were allowed in. They keep wages low by increasing the supply of labour. They have always done it and always will do, unless the government stops them.

Hallow - there is something in what you are saying.

If the MW were removed and WTC then what would happen is people would stop working who found they got paid more on JSA, Housing Benefit, etc.

There would I suspect be a floor for wages by default set by the remainder of the benefit system - whatever that level is.

im giving up arguing becuase till you come out of the ivory tower you will not understand it all .Till your tower is toppled and it will

hmm as a scrounger me thinks nothing much up with my business head

less outgoings equals bigger proffits

be this with tax , breaks , lower rental by moving to cheaper areas or paying cheaper wages ;

If i had a factory i would go where the workforce is plentiful and cheap knowing if they dont like it there be another 50 behind them who are so desperate that there do the work

now all i need is someone to pay me a dam good wage to run their factory and will make sure the peasants know their place and will maxmise your profits oh and bigger your proffits i make will also make sure my wage is linked into that increase please

Oh silly me! .

Off to dust my ivory tower

'If i had a factory i would go where the workforce is plentiful and cheap knowing if they dont like it there be another 50 behind them who are so desperate that there do the work'

exactly, that is why employers like the deregulated Labour environment with immigration laws that allow abundant Labour, totally unopposed by Tony woodley and the other union losses, unlike France and Germany

I suppose it is less expensive to have ex public sector workers sitting at home watching telly on benefits than sitting in an office earning a wage. If you have lots of money, you don't really care what job they were doing anyway.

I think the plan is:

1. Make public sector workers redundant
2. They will get jobs working for Philip Green (subsidised by the tax payer as he won't pay them a living wage)
3. He stashes all the cash in a tax haven.

im sorry but halloweese me thinks you have no idea what its like to be at the bottom of the heap or to live day to day on a tight budget

and sorry you just do not seem to get what im saying either not understanding or choosing not to understand

dam well dont worry if the minmum wage goes your be able to get a cleaner for about £2 a hr to help with all that dusting

yes and all these unemployed people chasing jobs will mean that wages are kept low for everyone, and the bosses will make more profits - luvverly jubbly

yay claig ty glad to know someone has understood what i have been trying to explain