cuts - Wednesday's Spending Review

[mrsbaldwin]

Brace yourself ladies - these cuts are big, there will be tens of thousands of public sector redundancies and it's said (by the Fawcett Society amongst others) that they will disproportionately affect women.

Some workers will get some sort of payoff, and some will be pleased to go. Some will find new jobs.

But I reckon the overall effect (licks finger and holds it in the wind) will be to drive down women's wages, meaning that once you are made redundant from your public sector post you may find more work but it will be at a lower rate and the extra competition for jobs across the board will drive wages down across the board. This may be true for men as well but I think it will affect women - mums - more.

If you are watching the press coverage on Weds, what do you think the effects of the cuts and the job losses for women (and mums) will be?

do the Maths no rules on wage oh co-op now only pay £3 a hour thats ok ill go see what other shops can work in or cleaning oh there paying the same or less .

Oh look once upon a time shop mangers were getting £9 a hr as they had to be on more than floorworkers who were guranteded at least minmnum wage but now we dont need pay shopworkers such minimum wage can pay them less so we wont need pay supervisors such a big wage now

so infact people will find their wages going down not up

hallow that's just not true is it?

DS3 was born with poor language and a 3 minute attention span, it is what you are born with.

If you get to the next stage you are very, very lucky indeed in that alone.

That's just silly though Louise

There can only be so many CEOs

and someone has to clean the streets. Why is that person then entitled to less money, despite his working conditions being far, far worse?

You would seriously pay a street cleaner as much as a CEO???

Roundthebend, I'm very good at "doing the math" where did you pull those figures down from?

halloweeseG, where did you get your idea that employers will pay more if there were was no tax credits or minimum wage?

How much is a street cleaner worth Hallow? In your opinion?

Just curious.

its called common sense used that as a approxmate figure , many supervisor wages are higher than say shop floor workers as there on minum wage .

I applied common sense to the fact if your paying a lot less for shopfloor workers you can then afford to pay less for supervisors as long as its more than shopfloor worers without the minimum wage that be lot less than £5 something a hour and so on up through the ranks and hey if supervisor now on less store mangers wage can go down to .

People are paid what the labour market deems they are worth

so infct people worse of share holders se emor emoney in proffits

Im only a simple scrounger carer but being hinest thats how i would work it if a had big business and b no morals or scruples .

That is why work is outsourced to india etc as they pay less even at supervisor level it is below what they would have to pay floor staff if wa sin this country

baildonwen

no people are paid what employers deem their worth and there are many who would love to pay a lot less than the current wage

Unless the labour market is undermined by subsidies and artificial levels.

roundthebend people are payed what their employer thinks their job is worth and this is largely determind by the market.

Hallow, you almost sound like you're arguing in favour of an increase in the minimum wage [hgrin]

yes but lets face it bosses are not going to care if there workers are subsidiesd or not ther ejust going to look at their proffit margins and if they can get more for les sthey dam well will

yes but baildonwen if lot sof emploers stopped having to pay minimum wage a lot of hourly rates will tumble

If we abolished the minimum wage, the majority of mw earners would have an increase. That has to be a Good Thing!

I have never understood why people on minimum wage have to pay tax or NI. Its just madness to tax someone on minimum wage to give them it back as tax credit.

My view is no one on less than £10k should pay any tax. That would mean less people trapped on benefits.

The Spending Review summary that MN did (linked on the MN Home Page at the moment) is very good. I also have no clue what the little chart from the Treasury Chart Department is supposed to tell me...

.... although BeenBeta's link to the Stephanie Flanders BBC blog was useful because she tries to explain it a bit.

I was really interested to read the comments about ringfenced local authority budgets and Children's Centres. My DS goes to a CC nursery and I have been badgering the poor old manager for about three months to make sure she has done the sums on what could happen if council funding is cut. She has been telling me she thinks our London council (which is Labour) will protect CCs in the more deprived parts of the borough and axe the ones on the posh side. This is plausible, altho she is reckoning without the council's massive overdraft... hmmm.

On the cuts overall, Iike in my OP, I am still most bothered about the loss of the half a million jobs. That feels like a LOT to me. I totally agree with whoever said there was still waste in the public sector - there is. But I also agree with whoever said that just taking out the jobs doesn't change the working culture on its own. And the fact is that whilst some lazy people will lose their jobs, so will a lot of hardworking ones.

I notice the bankers have been very quiet today.

On the SN discussion - when I read the whole thread at once (which took an hour!) it seemed really obvious to me that the stupid comments were coming from trolls. So IMO no-one should take a break from MN (Gideonsmum) on the basis of this thread!!!

and for everyone who wont like working at say £3 a hour if minmum wage goes there be another who is so desperate they will or even lower than £3 a hr

I agree with the minimum wage, I was just responding to the comment comparing how much a street cleaner is worth compared to a CEO.

Roundthebend it's just not that simple. For every action there is a reaction.

Isn't the Coalition moving towards a £10K personal allowance for basic rate taxpayers?

I don't understand how abolishing the min wage would lead to an increase for MW earners?

The minimum wage is NOT a living wage. Unless topped up by some sort of state handout.

baildonwen, that simply isn't true in all cases.

In my experience, an employer will often pay the bare minimum they think they can get away with. Certainly, my job became worth a whole lot more once I handed my notice in.