Jeremy Hunt: "Don't expect us to pay for your children"

[LadyBlaBlah]

I know lots of people agree with this in principle (especially going by the Daily Mail comments)

If you can't afford a child, don't have one. Simple.

But it really is not that simple-like all these things that make judgements on those on benefits

Where does this policy end up - eugenics and enforced sterilisation?

Based on what criteria?

Starving children?

And this is all in the context that Nick Clegg was bleating on increasing international aid to lift children out of poverty in his conference last week - "look at me and how good I am to the little starving children in Africa". The hypocrisy staggers me. By the same rules, Africans should stop having children too. That should be policy rather than giving them aid - right?

Desmond Tutu said "My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together." I love that quote. It is simply a reflection on us how we chose to treat other human being.

This poor bashing is really really depressing me. It is daily It is worse than I imagined it could be.

I know. Remember Neil Kinnock's speech? I really want to fight what's happening. Have joined the Labour party and started going to local meetings (bit of a lost cause where I live) but frankly you just feel so helpless.

I've just started reading The Spirit Level: Why Equality is Better for Everyone, just so next time someone starts bleating on about why should we help out the poor when it's all their fault, I can give them chapter and verse.

there have been quite a few comments like this by mners recently. i am stunned at the lack of humanity.

I think we shold start a ...if you dont have enough children to look after you when your old as there will be no state care dont complain to us! campaign

It feels like the 1980s again. Hatred and division back big time.

*should

"Where does this policy end up - eugenics and enforced sterilisation?"

yes you are right. This is what it all boils down to. We need larger families and more births. The bashing of families with large numbers of children and teh bashing of their benefits and classing them as croungers is done deliberately in order to brainwash the public into accepting the inevitable end goal.

The green philosophy is at the heart of this. "Sustainability", one of their favourite words, and one that Ed Miliband used to chant, also involves that. Here is an article called "a sustainable population" from one of the important green figures, the Eton educated Jonathon Porrit. He is a patron of the friendly sounding Optimum Population Trust and thinks that families should be restricted to two children in order to "save the planet". The "save the planet" eco-fascists are often also the sustainability and low birth rate fans.

A sustainable population

Unfortunately, Call Me Dave is also visited a Norwegian glacier to see the effect of global warming at first hand.

Unfortunately, Call Me Dave is also green and visited

I completely agree. When comments about the "deserving" and "undeserving" poor start being bandied about and when politicians start talking about how the poor should stop breeding, it's time to run for the hills in my book!

I agree :(

We need a voice. I hate the way the mean-minded grab all the headlines. '85 per cent in favour of govt cuts' didn't the latest (Sun-commissioned) poll say? Er, no - not if you look on here.

Is his name rhyming slang ?

It's not about money and benefits, it's about population control. The benefits scroungers stuff is only to get the public to go along with it.

Nom de Plume

"Unfortunately, Call Me Dave is also visited a Norwegian glacier to see the effect of global warming at first hand."

Probably in his private helicopter.....

arf @ rhyming slang.

NomDePlume, you're eaxctly right. None of them are green. Remember that green God, Al Gore. In the States some people got hold of his energy expenditure for his mansion via the Freedom of Information Act in the States. None of them are green, but they are all in favour of population control.

I haven't read Icke on this, but if he says the same then he is right. All you have to do is read the green guru Porrit's article. It is staring you in the face.

Two child limit on families, green adviser

Read the article and you will see that there is only one major opponent of the green philosophy of death and population control consensus. It is the organisation that is attacked and vilified by progressives - the Roman Catholic Church.

its all very well quoting articles and statistic but what do you do when your whole body aches for a baby, or your contraception fails, or you just plain want a big family.

are large families to become the preserve of the rich and n'er do wells?

It's all so depressing.

I find it quite Dickensian with all this talk about the "deserving poor" Only a matter of time before we're back to workhouses and gruel.

I would quite like to know where all these jobs are for the Benefit Scroungers to get off their arses and do, because last time I looked the job market was looking a little...bleak.

Exactly Shirley. So the unemployed are all meant to get off their arses and get a job ....while the government takes an axe to tens of thousands of public sector jobs .

And this is meant to stimulate the economy?

Jeremy Hunt. Is right, don't have children you cannot afford to pay for and don't expect the hard pressed taxpayer to subsidise and pay for your large family. In my experience the English are not having many children, and it is foreigners who have the largest families. Whoever has children should be expected to pay for them and not the state. It makes perfect common sense to me! Yes have as many children as you like, but don't expect me to pay for them! I would already be paying for them to use the schools, hospitals and housing!.

"Is this government literally going to leave children to starve?
This lot are worse than Thatcher"

no they aren't. They are trying to send a message, it is not all for real. They want to change the climate, to make it socially unacceptable. They will eventually succeed. Porrit was interviewed on TV and they said "but people will never accept being restricted to two children". He said something to the effect of "it's a long campaign, but in the end it will succeed", just as people have been persuaded to believe in global warming, in drink-diving messages, in anti-smoking messages and in wearing seatbelt messages.

The government's messages are part of the long campaign. But don't be polarised and think that this is just the Tories, "sustainability" Ed Miliband is similar.