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Scripture to confirm that Jesus Christ is the Only true Son of God.,

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Justmerach · 19/01/2026 15:47

Hi, I was following the “Do you believe in God thread” and it seems to have been closed. I read a post and wanted to reply to somebody who said that Jesus is not the Son of God. I just wanted to reply to them that why in Christianity in the scripture that we know that Jesus is the Son of God and explain why in my faith scripture supports that Jesus Christ is Only true Son of God.

Jesus is the Son of God but was also a prophet. He is also the redeemer to come as this post will explain.

Let me first say first in all three faiths we share much of the Old Testament and believe in the same God. I remember this topic right from my university days comparative studies between all three faiths.

I want to share a document about the Messiah prophecies about Jesus Christ to come that are in the Old Testament and commonly used online.

The Messiah prophecies have all be attached can be clicked on saved and enlarged. It comes in five images.

The word Christ and its Hebrew parallel means the anointed one which Christ is. Not added to that document above and to come to your attention-The Rod of Jesse in Isaiah 11 is also a prophecy of Jesus Christ to come. The Rod of Jesse/root of Jesse was the last rod for Jews and culminated with the Lord. Christians on this rod are his followers itself. God’s famous rods started with Aaron which placed which was placed in the arc of Covenant as a reminder and bore flowers as a promise of regeneration for the Jews. Jesus became as Christians our vine and we became him branches in the New Testament (John 15).

A photo of the Rod of Jesse from a church collection willl be attched in the next post.

It is Jesus the redeemer and heir to David who will redeem us all and the Jews to from exile-Jesus is from the offspring and roots of David (Revelation 22: 16). Some Jews believe that the Messiah prophecies are for David to come, but this is inaccurate and it is Jesus who will redeem them. "I will set up thy seed after thee (after King David), which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever. I will be his father, and he shall be my son (2 Samuel 7 12-13). God in this scripture also called David his servant and said that his Son was to come.

This scripture further points that Jesus Christ will be the one to redeem the Jewish people. Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth. In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, the Lord our righteousness Jeremiah (23: 1-6). David will return in the new Jerusalem (Hosea 3:4-5).

Jesus is also known as the Prince of Peace and more attributes which do not point to who is to come as being a mere mortal being and this is mentioned in (Isaiah 9:6). “For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.”

God also confirms in the New Testament Jesus as his only Begeotteon beloved Son –“this is my Beloved only son who I am well pleased" (John 3:16 ). Then in Luke Jesus was asked to this question if was the Son of God and Jesus said that yes he is the Son of God (Luke 22:70). He does not lie and the God the Father simply does not lie as well.

The miracles and healing he gave as we all saw in the New Testament that Jesus Christ ministry gave are well known in the New Testament around 40 in number they were as recorded in the Bible and I saw too with my own eyes in church and in my life, the healing that he gave me. I saw a child who could not walk once an after a few times of healing work at church he started to walk again. This was a miracle of Jesus Christ in our era. It is Jesus Christ who primarily who approves the gifts of the Holy Spirit this as he is the head of the church who appoints these gifts and roles of ministry (Ephesians 4:11).

The Church Body which are made of human beings are the members of the church and Jesus is also the head of the Church and we are part of this body (Ephesians 1:22-23). He promised to send believers a comforter after his resurrection Christ as a Christian gave me the spoken comforter which is the Holy Spirit (John 4:11)? The comforter is the Holy Spirit you receive when you are baptised of water and spirit..

The Son of God is an expression which indentified Jesus of Nazareth as the being who has had an eternal relationship to his Father (Psalm 2:7 ) "You are my Son; today I have become your Father." "You are my Son; today I have become your Father." Christ claimed to be the Son of God (Matthew 4:3; 8: 29; 27:54). (Matthew 4:3; 8: 29; 27:54). This too makes clear that Jesus is the Son of God (John 5:18). Also in the New Testament the term the Son of God appears in the New Testament almost 50 times. God also confessed that Jesus was his son at his baptism and at the transfiguration (Matthew 3:16, 17; 17: 5). Jesus also said that he is the Son of God (John 4:15) Revelation (2:18) (John 20:31) (Matthew 4:3) (II Corinthians 1:19) (Luke 8:28), the Jewish Sanhedrin condemned Jesus for blasphemy (Matthew 26: 63-66); (Mark 14 :61).

Jesus also was eighty times called the Son of Man which means God and the Messiah for humans in the New Testament. In Psalm 80 he was also called the Son of Man and was to called the Son of Man throughout Ezekiel to.

Jesus came to life as a mortal divine being through an Immaculate Conception. Angel Gabriel told Jesus' mortal mother to be Mary that she would overpowered by the Holy Spirit and receive a child and that would be God's Son.

This story is found in the Gospels- (Luke 1:26-38)-" And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus. He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David". The book of Luke is considered a highly reliable historical source which I know nearly all my life and it is the word of God.

I think in some countries more signs of Christ and the Holy Spirit presence will convince more people that Jesus is the Son of God and that eternal life is near and they will a season at least a while and will stay like young cubs parked with a lion on grass with him.

More history confirming Jesus Christ life is the Dead Sea Scrolls-
The Dead Sea scrolls contain (Isaiah 53) prophecy which is about Jesus Christ life to come. These scrolls were found in caves south of Jericho in the Dead Sea are and contain Biblical evidence the period of time between the end of the Old Testament and the beginning of the New Testament. There are two scrolls Isaiah, one being complete. To our understanding of the period of time between the end of the Old Testament and the beginning of the New Testament times, and to a better understanding of Hebrew and Aramaic.

We have done the 1st resurrection of Christ and are waiting for the Rapture (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18) which will happen in a twinkling of an eye (1 Corinthians 15:51-52) and then will come the 2nd judgement and second coming and judgement and then New Earth/Heaven.

We should be working in the field till he comes-"Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left." (Matthew 24:20).

Scripture to confirm that Jesus Christ is the Only true Son of God.,
Scripture to confirm that Jesus Christ is the Only true Son of God.,
Scripture to confirm that Jesus Christ is the Only true Son of God.,
Scripture to confirm that Jesus Christ is the Only true Son of God.,
Scripture to confirm that Jesus Christ is the Only true Son of God.,
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GarlicBound · 09/02/2026 19:35

Thank you, Rach

I see where you're going with that, but it feels like a stretch. The word of god or about god is explicitly linked to the seed (of faith, everlasting life, etc) a few times in the New Testament. Fair enough, it's very common for evangelists of any sort to talk about planting seeds - of ideas or beliefs - in people's minds and hearts. The metaphor's very clear: plant the idea, encourage it to grow and develop, send the flourishing new 'plants' out to spread the word ('seed').

Since the NT is all about evangelism, this makes good contextual sense.

Nobody said Jesus was the seed until John, whose authors seem to have realised there was no logical connection between the claim that Jesus is God's appointed king and God's OT promises about kings of the house of David. As discussed earlier in this thread, John is the most coherent gospel.

It explicitly ties the narrative threads together in ways that would stand up to examination by scholars like the Greek philosophers. It also uses complex, symbolic language, which the scholars of the ancient world valued highly.

Taking 'The Word' as both God itself, and 'Spreading the word' which means spreading the seeds of belief, it makes a symbolic argument that God = Christ = Word = Seed. This would be hugely impressive to scholars of the time, but it has no internal logic; it is mystical word-play.

This is a keystone of the schism between Judaism and Christianity.

In 2 Samuel 7, God says TO DAVID: I will raise up your offspring to succeed you, your own flesh and blood, and I will establish his kingdom. He is the one who will build a house for my Name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever. I will be his father, and he will be my son.

He's very clearly talking about David's actual Y-DNA descendants, not some other chap who'll be known as a word, a seed and a son.

Having said all this, I have no wish to undermine your personal faith - in fact, I don't think anything could! It's clear that you enjoy exploring these details and this particular question is germane to your original title. Plus, you never know who else might read this and be interested!

It's probably just as well we no longer know the names and ancestries of David's millions of 'seed' today. It would be carnage.

Wapentake · 09/02/2026 19:49

Justmerach · 09/02/2026 15:55

I have posted quite a few links and some people like yourself have made it clear you do not have interest. I am not here to discuss all about the Bible and all the the research. Some things I was getting myself from searching people were asking me at times, they could find themselves just as easily. It wasn't even about the question.

If anyone has a genuine interest me or may be others may be able to respond about the faith.

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But you’re wrong, over and over again, @Justmerach. All we have to check Luke’s gospel against is the two other synoptic gospels, also written by believers, we don’t know who, possibly by many hands. There are only about two ‘historical’ references to Jesus, so we have nothing at all to check historical accuracy against, other than two other gospels. People generally agree that the writer of Luke knew Mark’s, but that’s pretty much it. The three gospels describe roughly similar events, but with lots of variants, lots of key elements that only happen in one, different emphases etc.

I think you’re misunderstanding the questions, OP. People aren’t asking you questions because they don’t know the answers and want you to google for them. They’re asking why you don’t seem to understand the nature of evidence, that ‘because it says so in the Bible’ isn’t an answer, or why someone living in 2026 with a university educations believes in a biological impossibility like the virgin birth. (You made an error earlier — the Immaculate Conception doesn’t refer to the conception of Jesus but of Mary.)

Justmerach · 09/02/2026 19:55

Wapentake · 09/02/2026 19:49

But you’re wrong, over and over again, @Justmerach. All we have to check Luke’s gospel against is the two other synoptic gospels, also written by believers, we don’t know who, possibly by many hands. There are only about two ‘historical’ references to Jesus, so we have nothing at all to check historical accuracy against, other than two other gospels. People generally agree that the writer of Luke knew Mark’s, but that’s pretty much it. The three gospels describe roughly similar events, but with lots of variants, lots of key elements that only happen in one, different emphases etc.

I think you’re misunderstanding the questions, OP. People aren’t asking you questions because they don’t know the answers and want you to google for them. They’re asking why you don’t seem to understand the nature of evidence, that ‘because it says so in the Bible’ isn’t an answer, or why someone living in 2026 with a university educations believes in a biological impossibility like the virgin birth. (You made an error earlier — the Immaculate Conception doesn’t refer to the conception of Jesus but of Mary.)

That is your opinion. I have posted scripture from the Bible, nothing of this have I produced. It comes from the Bible and this is about scripture and what does it say about Jesus being the Son of God in the scripture and about the Holy Spirit supporting Jesus' ministry today. This not really about going more beyond this, but people are and well it is not really what I set out to do. Can you perhaps skip this thread.

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GarlicBound · 09/02/2026 19:55

Sequel to God's promise: He raised up the offspring by telling one of David's sons to break God's own law by having sex with ten of his father's wives 🤔 This was after another of David's sons raped one of his daughters, which David chose not to deal with, triggering years of family pandemonium.

And we think our royal family's a mess!

Justmerach · 09/02/2026 20:00

GarlicBound · 09/02/2026 19:35

Thank you, Rach

I see where you're going with that, but it feels like a stretch. The word of god or about god is explicitly linked to the seed (of faith, everlasting life, etc) a few times in the New Testament. Fair enough, it's very common for evangelists of any sort to talk about planting seeds - of ideas or beliefs - in people's minds and hearts. The metaphor's very clear: plant the idea, encourage it to grow and develop, send the flourishing new 'plants' out to spread the word ('seed').

Since the NT is all about evangelism, this makes good contextual sense.

Nobody said Jesus was the seed until John, whose authors seem to have realised there was no logical connection between the claim that Jesus is God's appointed king and God's OT promises about kings of the house of David. As discussed earlier in this thread, John is the most coherent gospel.

It explicitly ties the narrative threads together in ways that would stand up to examination by scholars like the Greek philosophers. It also uses complex, symbolic language, which the scholars of the ancient world valued highly.

Taking 'The Word' as both God itself, and 'Spreading the word' which means spreading the seeds of belief, it makes a symbolic argument that God = Christ = Word = Seed. This would be hugely impressive to scholars of the time, but it has no internal logic; it is mystical word-play.

This is a keystone of the schism between Judaism and Christianity.

In 2 Samuel 7, God says TO DAVID: I will raise up your offspring to succeed you, your own flesh and blood, and I will establish his kingdom. He is the one who will build a house for my Name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever. I will be his father, and he will be my son.

He's very clearly talking about David's actual Y-DNA descendants, not some other chap who'll be known as a word, a seed and a son.

Having said all this, I have no wish to undermine your personal faith - in fact, I don't think anything could! It's clear that you enjoy exploring these details and this particular question is germane to your original title. Plus, you never know who else might read this and be interested!

It's probably just as well we no longer know the names and ancestries of David's millions of 'seed' today. It would be carnage.

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Take you, I will reflect over this in the next few days.

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Parker231 · 09/02/2026 20:10

Justmerach · 09/02/2026 19:55

That is your opinion. I have posted scripture from the Bible, nothing of this have I produced. It comes from the Bible and this is about scripture and what does it say about Jesus being the Son of God in the scripture and about the Holy Spirit supporting Jesus' ministry today. This not really about going more beyond this, but people are and well it is not really what I set out to do. Can you perhaps skip this thread.

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It’s not my opinion about a virgin birth being an impossibility - it’s a fact. Same as a resurrection being impossibility and numerous other biblical statements.

It’s worrying that you don’t challenge things you are told. How do you decide who to vote for - believe every politician you speak to?

Justmerach · 09/02/2026 20:18

Parker231 · 09/02/2026 20:10

It’s not my opinion about a virgin birth being an impossibility - it’s a fact. Same as a resurrection being impossibility and numerous other biblical statements.

It’s worrying that you don’t challenge things you are told. How do you decide who to vote for - believe every politician you speak to?

It is faith. I don't wish to be rude, but I have seen nobody speak these things brought up like how can I say @perms in relation to any faith. I cannot do this, it is not seen as perhaps clean in my faith to write this. It is a faith and I am trying to live a conscreated life and I don't write about carnal really. I didn't wish to go there, but I will. I posted four sources on this which is acceptable.
If you google you may find your answers. This is about as well and knowing that God word is true in my lifetime.

I have had my faith confirmed and seen mysterious things of the validity of my faith.

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Justmerach · 09/02/2026 21:49

I am putting some scripture and quotes about how we should be led by the Holy Spirit as Christians and lead a spiritual life and how Jesus to can reveal truth through the Spirit. I will include some notes about the Holy Spirit. I have a good book on the Holy Spirit by John Wesley called The Holy Spirit power.The Holy Spirit can be referred to as the comforter, spirit of truth and advocate and more in this post.

Galatians 5:22-23
Fruits of the Holy Spirit.
“But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance”

Gifts of the Holy Spirit

1 Corinthians 12
“For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit. To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit. To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues”

(John 14)

“If ye love me, keep my commandments.
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter (the Holy Spirit)

Ephesians 1: 17
“That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Gather of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him”

John 16
“Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you”

Ephesians 5
“ And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit”

1 Corinthians 2:10
“But God has revealed them to us by his Spirit”

Galatians 5 :16-17
“Walk in the Spirit..But if ye be led off the Spirit, ye are not under the law of the flesh”

Galatians 5:22-25
“If we live by in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit”

Ephesians 3:16
“That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man”

Acts 2
“Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?”

Acts 20
“ And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified”
“Rather, we are called to humble dependence and meditation upon the Spirit”.
..............

Conclusion: Rely on the Spirit
“According to Sibbes, the Spirit must be an integral part of our lives, our churches, and our world. The Spirit must be entertained in every facet of Christian life and experience. We must relish His indwelling”.
https://joelbeeke.org/grieving-the-spirit/

Scripture to confirm that Jesus Christ is the Only true Son of God.,
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Parker231 · 09/02/2026 21:54

Justmerach · 09/02/2026 21:49

I am putting some scripture and quotes about how we should be led by the Holy Spirit as Christians and lead a spiritual life and how Jesus to can reveal truth through the Spirit. I will include some notes about the Holy Spirit. I have a good book on the Holy Spirit by John Wesley called The Holy Spirit power.The Holy Spirit can be referred to as the comforter, spirit of truth and advocate and more in this post.

Galatians 5:22-23
Fruits of the Holy Spirit.
“But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance”

Gifts of the Holy Spirit

1 Corinthians 12
“For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit. To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit. To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues”

(John 14)

“If ye love me, keep my commandments.
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter (the Holy Spirit)

Ephesians 1: 17
“That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Gather of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him”

John 16
“Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you”

Ephesians 5
“ And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit”

1 Corinthians 2:10
“But God has revealed them to us by his Spirit”

Galatians 5 :16-17
“Walk in the Spirit..But if ye be led off the Spirit, ye are not under the law of the flesh”

Galatians 5:22-25
“If we live by in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit”

Ephesians 3:16
“That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man”

Acts 2
“Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?”

Acts 20
“ And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified”
“Rather, we are called to humble dependence and meditation upon the Spirit”.
..............

Conclusion: Rely on the Spirit
“According to Sibbes, the Spirit must be an integral part of our lives, our churches, and our world. The Spirit must be entertained in every facet of Christian life and experience. We must relish His indwelling”.
https://joelbeeke.org/grieving-the-spirit/

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You’re now trying to preach at us but you won’t accept challenges to inaccurate or nonsensical statements

Justmerach · 09/02/2026 22:06

Parker231 · 09/02/2026 21:54

You’re now trying to preach at us but you won’t accept challenges to inaccurate or nonsensical statements

There was conversation today about this subject and this is scripture of what we was discussing. I wrote to a member who said the faith was fairy tales if they had developed and been led by the spirit and they did not seem to agree this was asked of and this is where this has come from in the scripture.This also necessary to show how Jesus can reveal to us truth through his ministry today via the Holy Spirit. You do not seem to very interested in knowing about scripture or the actual faith.

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Parker231 · 09/02/2026 22:12

Justmerach · 09/02/2026 22:06

There was conversation today about this subject and this is scripture of what we was discussing. I wrote to a member who said the faith was fairy tales if they had developed and been led by the spirit and they did not seem to agree this was asked of and this is where this has come from in the scripture.This also necessary to show how Jesus can reveal to us truth through his ministry today via the Holy Spirit. You do not seem to very interested in knowing about scripture or the actual faith.

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Happy to read everything but will always challenge when I see misinformation being spread as fact

GarlicBound · 09/02/2026 23:55

Justmerach · 09/02/2026 22:06

There was conversation today about this subject and this is scripture of what we was discussing. I wrote to a member who said the faith was fairy tales if they had developed and been led by the spirit and they did not seem to agree this was asked of and this is where this has come from in the scripture.This also necessary to show how Jesus can reveal to us truth through his ministry today via the Holy Spirit. You do not seem to very interested in knowing about scripture or the actual faith.

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I think most of us know a fair amount about the scriptures. Anything we need to check or explore further is easy enough to find on the Web! So many high-quality sources are now available, it's amazing.

I'm interested in faith. It goes against everything I value. To be more accurate, every human has faith in various things but I like to be able to examine them, subject them to a reasonable degree of statistical evaluation, learn from others' experiences and my own, prod and poke them. If I decide something no longer merits my faith, I drop it like a stone.

Religious faith and related concepts do not withstand my prosaic evaluations. I don't do mysticism. I have what one might call morals; to me these are part of the social contract. I have what might look like spiritual practices; to me they are psychological tools (and they work). If I see magic, I may enjoy it but I still want to know what's really happening! I once spent days checking tide calendars to find the explanation for a fantastic shaman's ability to glide over the ocean. The ritual was still awe-inspiring; I just needed to know how he did it!

Like almost everyone my age, I grew up surrounded by older adults who fully believed in their religion. It didn't seem to be doing them much good. They had hard lives, really, and their faith gave them some serenity. I get that from my psychology and my commitment to measurable, repeatable fact.

It's intriguing, though. I can see how central your faith is to you. I think it helps you to manage a frightening health condition - I looked this up, and there's reasonable evidence that spiritual practices can help to calm over-active synapses. I wasn't surprised. The other side of the same coin is that misfiring synapses definitely bring sensations of mystical experience - ask anyone with epilepsy about their 'prodromal' and 'postictal' phases.

I suppose I'm talking about different kinds of faith. The massive chasm between your approach and mine is that I don't accept magic as real. For me, there is no supernatural; bog-standard natural is amazing enough. I can't help exposing the scriptures to the cold, clear light of reason and, by the same token, can't help being curious about someone with your profound faith thinks and feels.

It's all part of life's rich pattern 😎

RedTagAlan · 10/02/2026 04:18

Justmerach · 09/02/2026 22:06

There was conversation today about this subject and this is scripture of what we was discussing. I wrote to a member who said the faith was fairy tales if they had developed and been led by the spirit and they did not seem to agree this was asked of and this is where this has come from in the scripture.This also necessary to show how Jesus can reveal to us truth through his ministry today via the Holy Spirit. You do not seem to very interested in knowing about scripture or the actual faith.

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Quote:" You do not seem to very interested in knowing about scripture or the actual faith."

This says it all really. But not in the way you might think. What this says, to me anyway, is that you appear to be totally unwilling to do any reasoned thinking based on evidence you see.

The evidence on these pages is that there is not a single poster here who does not know scripture, or the Bible. I thought I know the Bible well ( apart from the middle bit), but my knowledge is well behind many other posters here. It should be totally clear to anyone reading this thread that "knowing about scripture " is not lacking here. And there are no tell tale signs of AI being used, not by your discussion opponents anyway.

I myself use an Bible study program called e-Sword. It's free to download for PC, and I highly recommend it. I have about 20 different Bibles loaded into mine, together with various Hebrew and Greek dictionaries. It works offline as a standalone tool, allows me to view bibles in parallel, instantly look up verses, and to easily cut and paste to here. Plug over :-) It's honestly the best free app I have found for Bible stuff. And I have tried a few.

So , to quote an earlier post you made :

"Justmerach · Today 02:39

"Bowels" is often used metaphorically to describe the innermost parts of a person:
In 2 Samuel 7:12 and Genesis 15:4, God promises David that his successor will proceed "out of his bowels," meaning a direct blood descendant (son) to continue his lineage.
In essence, the phrase means that Jesus (the Seed) proceeds from the will of God to bring life and fulfill God's promises in the hearts of believers."

Part post copied above to minimize wall of text. What I do when you post something so detailed is I cut and paste your post into a word processor, then I can work through the verses you mention. Looking them up on e-Sword, to see what they actually say, if to see if it matches what you claim it says.

And very often, it does not. And that is what people are pointing out to you. But when posters challenge you on your interpretation, you appear to just skip to a different subject.

So yup. There is no lack of Bible knowledge in this thread. Indeed, it's us "other posters" who want to do deep dives into verses you mention. "Can we pause and examine this verse" sort of thing, instead of jumping to another different subject and being presented a list of another dozen verses.

@Justmerach, do you concede that lack of Bible knowledge is not an issue here ?

Judgejudysno1fan · 10/02/2026 05:07

Justmerach · 09/02/2026 13:29

@Judgejudysno1fan you have been passionate on your views regarding thie mistreatment of certain groups . The treatment of some women in your faith can lead to death as well and some may be little more than children or in fact children as well. I think things like flogging for adultery may be still go on in your faith and forced marriages. I knew a girl who as a teen started who started to starve herself in your faith as she was forced to marry and didn't and ended up naarly dying in hospital. Some women may like the traditional roles, but some may suffer through it as well.
If the flogging and stoning is still going on it can lead to mental problems and death later on.

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The mistreatment of a Muslim comes down to the person mistreating them and they are the one in the wrong. My religions says the best of you are best to your wives. If a man hits/abuses/opresses his wife/female children then hes a pig and has gone against the teachings of the quran.

The quran says that a man who raises his daughter well will go to heaven and that a man who gives the best treatment to his wife is the best of men. And that marriage is half of your faith.

Forcing marriage is also a sin in our religion too. Chapter 4.19 explains this as well as another verse. A woman is free to marry who she chooses. Arranged marriage is done in many Asian countries however most parties must agree to it.

Flogging is a punishment in Shariah law. If a man or woman cheat on their wife/husband then use they would get a number of flogging in public as a punishment for adultery. These laws are there to prevent people from committing sin. You might not agree but in islam marriage is very special and important. There are no children however getting flogged thats not in our faith.

Im sorry to hear of the girls who starved themselves because of forced marriage that's bloody awful and not part of my faith at all. She has the right to refuse marriage to any man and has the right to decide for herself whom to marry and a right to choose a dowry of whatever she wants. If she was forced then thats in the individual being a scumbag and nothing to do with the lord or the religion of Islam.

GarlicBound · 10/02/2026 06:33

"Bowels" is often used metaphorically to describe the innermost parts of a person

This made me chuckle, @RedTagAlan. I'm certain we all understood Samuel's feeble grasp of anatomy. Nobody thought he meant David was expected to shit out a successor!

Justmerach · 10/02/2026 06:43

GarlicBound · 09/02/2026 23:55

I think most of us know a fair amount about the scriptures. Anything we need to check or explore further is easy enough to find on the Web! So many high-quality sources are now available, it's amazing.

I'm interested in faith. It goes against everything I value. To be more accurate, every human has faith in various things but I like to be able to examine them, subject them to a reasonable degree of statistical evaluation, learn from others' experiences and my own, prod and poke them. If I decide something no longer merits my faith, I drop it like a stone.

Religious faith and related concepts do not withstand my prosaic evaluations. I don't do mysticism. I have what one might call morals; to me these are part of the social contract. I have what might look like spiritual practices; to me they are psychological tools (and they work). If I see magic, I may enjoy it but I still want to know what's really happening! I once spent days checking tide calendars to find the explanation for a fantastic shaman's ability to glide over the ocean. The ritual was still awe-inspiring; I just needed to know how he did it!

Like almost everyone my age, I grew up surrounded by older adults who fully believed in their religion. It didn't seem to be doing them much good. They had hard lives, really, and their faith gave them some serenity. I get that from my psychology and my commitment to measurable, repeatable fact.

It's intriguing, though. I can see how central your faith is to you. I think it helps you to manage a frightening health condition - I looked this up, and there's reasonable evidence that spiritual practices can help to calm over-active synapses. I wasn't surprised. The other side of the same coin is that misfiring synapses definitely bring sensations of mystical experience - ask anyone with epilepsy about their 'prodromal' and 'postictal' phases.

I suppose I'm talking about different kinds of faith. The massive chasm between your approach and mine is that I don't accept magic as real. For me, there is no supernatural; bog-standard natural is amazing enough. I can't help exposing the scriptures to the cold, clear light of reason and, by the same token, can't help being curious about someone with your profound faith thinks and feels.

It's all part of life's rich pattern 😎

Thank you, I don't believe in using any other practices as they are not legal in my faith like magic, mysticism and spirituality can be a part of the Christian faith though. I have had the issues possibly the synapses from Febuary 2025 and I did not have it as a teen when I was working in the ministry. The sensory issue I have had since childhood. My faith does help me to manage these and I have had this all my life the sensory profile I cannot what it would be like without it. This leads to a different research. That people who are sensory may have increased spiritual experiences.

More research later in Autism and Religion in 2023 found the below-

“We dispute the assumption that individuals with ASD are inherently less religious and spiritual than the neurotypical population. Religiosity is possibly expressed differently in ASD with unique spiritual experiences and beliefs (“gifted, visionary, and truth-seeker”).
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10453845/

More research later in Autism and Religion in 2023 found the below-

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/2153599X.2018.1548374

“non-autistic group participants, and current research suggests that unusual somatosensory experiences are prevalent in the autistic population. Attribution of invisible agency is understood as a sense-making coping strategy, and it is argued that esoteric content in fantasy literature, movies and computer games explain why these young adults prefer to attribute agency to ghosts, spirits and demons, rather than god(s). The study thereby extends and challenges the study of autism and religiosity by exploring the intersection between autistic embodiment and encultured cognition.”

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GarlicBound · 10/02/2026 06:58

Yes, @Justmerach! Exactly that. Great to see somebody's establishing deeper research in this area. Thanks for the link.

GarlicBound · 10/02/2026 07:03

I think magic has quite a strict definition in Christianity, though. Miracles are magic, are they not? Water into wine, burning bushes, all that jazz? Just that the church calls it different names depending on who made it happen 😏

Justmerach · 10/02/2026 07:09

Judgejudysno1fan · 10/02/2026 05:07

The mistreatment of a Muslim comes down to the person mistreating them and they are the one in the wrong. My religions says the best of you are best to your wives. If a man hits/abuses/opresses his wife/female children then hes a pig and has gone against the teachings of the quran.

The quran says that a man who raises his daughter well will go to heaven and that a man who gives the best treatment to his wife is the best of men. And that marriage is half of your faith.

Forcing marriage is also a sin in our religion too. Chapter 4.19 explains this as well as another verse. A woman is free to marry who she chooses. Arranged marriage is done in many Asian countries however most parties must agree to it.

Flogging is a punishment in Shariah law. If a man or woman cheat on their wife/husband then use they would get a number of flogging in public as a punishment for adultery. These laws are there to prevent people from committing sin. You might not agree but in islam marriage is very special and important. There are no children however getting flogged thats not in our faith.

Im sorry to hear of the girls who starved themselves because of forced marriage that's bloody awful and not part of my faith at all. She has the right to refuse marriage to any man and has the right to decide for herself whom to marry and a right to choose a dowry of whatever she wants. If she was forced then thats in the individual being a scumbag and nothing to do with the lord or the religion of Islam.

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Thank you for this. I looked up about forced marriages to remind myself and it states that they are not legal. It did say that you can be lashed 100 lashes men or women for adultery. It seems that in all Muslim countries you can marry legally at 18, so they not a child in the law...In ancient Judiaism children were seen as children to 20. So somebody being flogged at 18 would have been considered a child and these couple was in that age range recently at 18 for cuddling.

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/02/01/asia/indonesia-teens-publicly-flogged-for-cuddling-intl

I know that much of Islam can be misinterpeted wrong. Child murder or cruely is not supported in the Christian faith today although some may people abuse peoples trust, that is them doing so and not the faith.

The person I spoke of got involved in the BBC with Louis Therroux doing an anorexia documentary and you can see it on the BBC website. It seems that bullying and trying to force them into this relationship was at the root of their issues.

Indonesian teens publicly flogged for cuddling | CNN

Two 18-year-olds were publicly flogged Thursday in the conservative Indonesian state of Aceh for displaying affection.

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/02/01/asia/indonesia-teens-publicly-flogged-for-cuddling-intl

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GarlicBound · 10/02/2026 07:21

In ancient Judiaism children were seen as children to 20.

Sadly not. Childhood ended at around 13 with puberty. The age of 20 applied to certain matters of inheritance, it was a strictly administrative threshold.

Kids were generally betrothed in infancy and started marriage as soon as they could physically reproduce. Same throughout the ancient world.

People complain about Muhammad's 14-year-old wife, but it was normal.

GarlicBound · 10/02/2026 07:30

Marie Antoinette at 13, the year before she married the King of France. 1769.

Scripture to confirm that Jesus Christ is the Only true Son of God.,
Justmerach · 10/02/2026 07:34

GarlicBound · 10/02/2026 07:21

In ancient Judiaism children were seen as children to 20.

Sadly not. Childhood ended at around 13 with puberty. The age of 20 applied to certain matters of inheritance, it was a strictly administrative threshold.

Kids were generally betrothed in infancy and started marriage as soon as they could physically reproduce. Same throughout the ancient world.

People complain about Muhammad's 14-year-old wife, but it was normal.

About magic I know what you mean-but I had to make the distiniction and it is not legal to do like witchcraft, socerery, mediums etc.

This is may be the tradition, but it is know that from 20-30 you was a young adult in Judaism and about 30 Jesus started his ministry when an adult. It is known that at 20 you was not yet out of the promised land. God declared that all of the Israelites in the desert who were above 20 years old would not be allowed to access to the promised land (Numbers 14:26-30).

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RedTagAlan · 10/02/2026 07:43

GarlicBound · 10/02/2026 07:21

In ancient Judiaism children were seen as children to 20.

Sadly not. Childhood ended at around 13 with puberty. The age of 20 applied to certain matters of inheritance, it was a strictly administrative threshold.

Kids were generally betrothed in infancy and started marriage as soon as they could physically reproduce. Same throughout the ancient world.

People complain about Muhammad's 14-year-old wife, but it was normal.

Not 14 years old. Consummated when she was 9. Married at 6 or 7.

But TBH, I know very little about Islam, so one for @Judgejudysno1fan I think.

My understanding is that Mary, mother of Jesus was have been early teens. But that's by conventions of the time as you know, not recorded.

My DD is 13. Imagine what my reaction would be if she grew a bump and claimed it was the "holy spirit". Some "smiting" of the holy spirit would be in order, that's for sure. And criminal charges.

GarlicBound · 10/02/2026 07:46

Justmerach · 10/02/2026 07:34

About magic I know what you mean-but I had to make the distiniction and it is not legal to do like witchcraft, socerery, mediums etc.

This is may be the tradition, but it is know that from 20-30 you was a young adult in Judaism and about 30 Jesus started his ministry when an adult. It is known that at 20 you was not yet out of the promised land. God declared that all of the Israelites in the desert who were above 20 years old would not be allowed to access to the promised land (Numbers 14:26-30).

Yeah, but that was because God was furious with them for adopting Egyptian ways and their gods! He said they were so horrible that none of them were allowed to go to the promised land after all. They had to rough it in the desert for 40 years so the adults would all die in the wilderness, leaving only under-20s to finish the journey.

I have a feeling he did something else to hold the over-20s back after that, but I can't remember what and am too tired to check. Made the over-20s die of a disease, maybe? Or perhaps he just ordered them to stay in the wilderness??

Anyway - he sure could hold a grudge. Fancy killing millions of Egyptians to free thousands of Jews, then making them stay in no-man's-land for forty years just to make sure all the people you freed would die!

Justmerach · 10/02/2026 07:49

GarlicBound · 10/02/2026 07:21

In ancient Judiaism children were seen as children to 20.

Sadly not. Childhood ended at around 13 with puberty. The age of 20 applied to certain matters of inheritance, it was a strictly administrative threshold.

Kids were generally betrothed in infancy and started marriage as soon as they could physically reproduce. Same throughout the ancient world.

People complain about Muhammad's 14-year-old wife, but it was normal.

I don't know if Google is spreading false information, but I just looked it up and about three wives. Having relationships that young today at the claimed 14 by yourself that you posted we know today that can have risks to female health. We know a lot more today on this from different sources than they know in ancient times and have different laws may be to.

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