Why are Anglican babies Christened, and Catholic babies Baptised?

[LynetteScavo]

What's the diffence, if any?

wehaveallbeenthere

All the denominations have their traditions and minor beliefs that are flawed and wrong. That is catholicism thing you are being subject from and it is not of God. Grieving the HS is (in my understanding) to knowing claim that somthing done by Satan was work of the HS or vice versa. There is NOTHING you could have done that means God will not forgive you. If you acknowledge Jesus as your Saviour and have an ongoing relationship with God then you already have eternal life (it starts now here on earth). If that is the case you will be in heaven and sadly there will probably be some "good catholics" from your church who won't be there because going to church, saying confession is not a substitute for having a living relationship with God.

I do understand how awful it must be to be rejected by your church but they are not perfect because man has got in the way.

Cargirl, this website is quite good at explaining things:

www.catholicapologetics.info/

I would consider purgatory as something different from Hades, in that if there are any souls there, they do not have to wait for the second coming.

But I don't believe in Purgatory.

wehaveallbeenthere

All the denominations have their traditions and minor beliefs that are flawed and wrong. That is catholicism thing you are being subject from and it is not of God. Grieving the HS is (in my understanding) to knowing claim that somthing done by Satan was work of the HS or vice versa. There is NOTHING you could have done that means God will not forgive you. If you acknowledge Jesus as your Saviour and have an ongoing relationship with God then you already have eternal life (it starts now here on earth). If that is the case you will be in heaven and sadly there will probably be some "good catholics" from your church who won't be there because going to church, saying confession is not a substitute for having a living relationship with God.

I do understand how awful it must be to be rejected by your church but they are not perfect because man has got in the way.

MaryBS, if you did (I see you don't so just take this a face value) believe in Purgatory. Don't you think my description fits reasonably?

My understanding of purgatory is that everyone who ever lived and died is there, and it is only when Jesus comes again 'to judge the living and the dead' that they get sent to either heaven or hell.

This is a very different understanding to evangelical Anglican theology.

My understanding of purgatory is that everyone who ever lived and died is there, and it is only when Jesus comes again 'to judge the living and the dead' that they get sent to either heaven or hell.

This is a very different understanding to evangelical Anglican theology.

I prefer the waiting room with the beige carpet and readers digests, perhaps with a few copies of Bella/Best with the competitions already filled in

Seriously though, if it DOES exist, I don't think it would be a bad place to be, more a place where you'd have to sit and wait patiently.

BTW I believe all believers are saints! Anyway all the healing is from God not the people, they ask for healing in the name of Jesus as we are told to do and it happens -what's special about the people, nothing apart from availability & obedience?????

Don't really get that bit!

But in the story of the rich man and Lazarus, isn't the rich man already in hell?

Cargirl, I know. We always want what we cannot have don't we? Like I said before. I know I can join another religion. I was raised Roman Catholic. My church, there were several in the area..we would have the priests over for dinner..tea with the nuns etc. My church, family and friends all of that back is what I want and cannot have.
Most of the elders are gone now. The priest is gone now.
I'd have to go into detail and I am not going to do that. No one knows my life better than I.

Well, yes all healing IS from God! Don't think anyone is suggesting otherwise? Hope I wasn't... . And you are right, Paul calls us ALL saints. I am just explaining Catholic theology. saint with a small s on earth, Saint with a BIG S in heaven

Now I'm off to another thread.

To me, the fact I used to belong to the RCC and don't now is like the end of a relationship. I can't go back, sometimes I think it'd be nice to, but it would never be the same as I remember. Its too easy to remember the good times, not the things I disagreed with. I am happy where I am.

My understanding is that in the original (is it greek or hebrew - I can never remember) in some places Hades as been translated as Hades and in others it has been incorrectly translated as Hell. Hell are Hades are 2 different places so I'm 99.9% sure that Lazurus was actually in Hades, and there is a passage in the old testament where Saul gets the medium to bring out Samuel, Samuel was (and still is) in Hades.

My understanding is that in the original (is it greek or hebrew - I can never remember) in some places Hades as been translated as Hades and in others it has been incorrectly translated as Hell. Hell are Hades are 2 different places so I'm 99.9% sure that Lazurus was actually in Hades, and there is a passage in the old testament where Saul gets the medium to bring out Samuel, Samuel was (and still is) in Hades.

It DOES say Hades here:

bible.oremus.org/?ql=91521084

But I took it to mean that the rich man was in Hades/Hell for ever.

That is where the transliteration has caused confusion Hades & Hell are 2 seperate things. I had no idea until recently, a friend from Romania told me about it because in their NIV equivalent Hades and hell have been translated correctly IYSWIM, it suddenly made passages make a lot more sense!

Wehaveallbeenthere - if you pop back in, I didn't mean to suggest that you were more guilty by not walking away from the devil - only that feelings of guilt can prevent us from coming back to God - and that, in itself, is such a tragedy.

It must have been awful for you to lose your church and your family in this way. So for you - and sad too that they have lost you in this way.

Thinking of you.

Notquitegrownup, I see I must explain. I'm doing this through tears because my church, family, relatives, life from growing up are all entertwined.
My personal devil is my first husband. He wasn't Catholic. He went through all the stages, schooling etc. required to become Catholic and we were married in my church. This brings him into the fold, he is a member in good standing etc.
Marriage is a sacrament. It is done in front of God and my family, and community.
We dated for two years. I saw him every day. Almost all day. I was young and naive and so enveloped in him that I joyously allowed him to become a Catholic in MY church, with MY priest...
The week before he started showing signs of a temper. It might have been a couple days before. It was so long ago. I had second thoughts but I had spent 6 months making my dress. All my relatives were invited, my parents and his were seeing each other preparing for this "event".
My oldest brother offered to take me down the street on my wedding day because he just knew something wasn't right. He said, " if you want to, we can go down the street from the church and wait until everyone has left." "You don't have to do this." I thankded him but went through with it. The ceremony was just fine. Big celebration. Everyone happy for us.
Our wedding night he threw a tantrum and threw a gift at me. It went through the closet door and if it had hit me, would have been in the head and probably killed me.
He was in the reserves. I started some night college courses to get a job. He decided to go active (without talking to me) and pulled Germany. I had to withdraw from college to go to a another country, where I knew no one, and didn't know the language. I was 20 years old.
When we got there I got a job. I learned some German. I got a license to drive but wasn't allowed to use the car.
He turned into a monster.
To make a long story short, he collected all the mail. He told my family I was sleeping with everyone. He threatened to kill me and I fled. He took my passport and a friend got me out of the country into the US.
I fled him for three years. He finally granted me a divorce. Another church nono.
I asked my priest, explaining all that I"ve explained here but there are no do overs with this.
After I married my second husband (a nice Catholic man) we couldn't have our son baptised because of my past.
My remaining parent still would let him back into the house if he came around. I (knowing what he is capable of) would be out the nearest window if he showed up again.

WHABT, that story is a very good reason for atheism. You poor thing - I feel very deeply for you It does upset me when people are cruel to others, as they have been to you, because "God tells us x, y or z" - why not just be kind and good to each other whilst we're on this earth?

He has since shown up once looking for me that I know of. I still don't know what he hoped to accomplish from that. He was remarried but asking me to dinner with his parents. I didn't know what he wanted then and still don't. It doesn't matter. Whatever he hoped it couldn't have been good.
My second husband knows this because he would come with me for military review of the firsts promotions. I would explain this and they had the firsts marriage to the woman in Germany. The dates didn't make sense. He was married and asking me to go to dinner with his parents and him.
I have since divorced the second. We are still friends and he has remarried and we (my third husband) and they (second and wife) talk.
The present husband thinks I'm insane for still fearing the first guy. But I do. I always will.
I was so thankful when he wanted a divorce, after three years. I was thankful and fearful for his second wife.
I found out later that his father would beat his mother. She was a wonderful woman.
I know it sounds really selfish but I hope he found someone else to maybe be happy with and to be happy with him. Anything so long as he never turns his attention back to me.

{hugs} wehaveallbeenthere, and I have been there too. My ex husband didn't become a Catholic, but he was extremely controlling and verbally abusive. We married in church, he left me for another woman, threw me out of the house - lost my job, home, husband in the space of less than a week. I stayed in the RCC until I met and fell in love with my husband, whom I still love dearly. I then left the RCC. We married in the Anglican church, my children have been baptised in the Anglican church, and although I do still have pangs, I truly believe I have done the right thing. The RCC would not refuse to baptise your child - they do not hold the child accountable for the "sins" of the parents. Email me if you want...

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hunkermunker, My present husband is a good man. He was raised in a different religion than mine but now claims to be an atheist.
I still feel God ( and for what it's worth the devil) are as real as the beating of my heart. Call me whatever you want. I can't not believe.
There have been so many times that I should have been dead. Only God could have intervened. Those are other stories though.
You see I believe in all the beings in between too. Angels (both good and bad). I also believe that science and religion coexist. I don't think we truly understand either. We are still unraveling both. We are human and imperfect and not capable of getting it right completely.
That is my experience though.

MaryBS, Thank you but I've since talked with my priest (now deceased). My son is 22 now. He will seek his own path with God if he wants to. My other two will do that as well. God will be there for them like he was for me. That is why my peace will be made with God and no one else. God knows what is in my heart and why. Only He will judge me.
I do thank you all for your support though.