Why are Anglican babies Christened, and Catholic babies Baptised?

[LynetteScavo]

What's the diffence, if any?

The only baptism mentioned in the bible is "believers baptism" and to baptise mean full submersion in water. So tbh honest only children old enough to believe that Jesus died for them can fulfill the criteria for biblical baptism.

The bible only talk about parents dedicating their young children to God.

Infant baptism came about more recently because of the high infant mortality rate and the fact that some faiths believe babies can only go to heaven if they've been baptise and presumably if you're catholic had the "last rites" too????? Don't know about how catholics qualify for heaven tbh. As far as I'm concerned it's about whether you have an ongoing relationship with God and have recognised Jesus as your saviour and the only way to know God

Anglicans are catholics. They are Anglican catholics.

a bit off the subject, but it's very annoying surely to other religions and beliefs to be asked for their 'christian' names,as in first names

I suspect by last rites you mean the sacrament of Anointing the Sick, which is not a prerequisite for going to heaven.

The Anglican church has 2 sacraments that are biblical, and a further 5 which are "commonly called sacraments", totalling 7, the same seven as the RCC. Its a typical Anglican fudge in that some believe there are 7, others 2, but the wording of doctrine is such that it allows for both beliefs.

In America they just say first name. I think it's going that way here too.

That's good FM, so what does the roman catholic church preach/teach about how you get to heaven? I am very curious because I don't know any "believing" catholics to ask.

I think the last rites are because between the baptising and the actual dying it is presumed you've sinned in there somewhere.
Religion is a touchy subject. I don't know enough about others religions to debate it. I also wouldn't insult anyone about their particular religious beliefs and would expect the same. Sort of an "agree to disagree" agreement. .

Moticia - they usually aren't these days! Most forms etc have First Name on, rather than Christian Name, for that very reason.

Agree that both words are widely used to mean baptism these days, but I had heard that definition Niecie. At infant baptisms, the baby used to be officially named too - hence all of those old jokes which used to be on TV about vicars naming babies with odd names

Oh how cute.

Again I'm probably wrong Cargirl. I was taught you try to follow the "Ten Commandments". You do all the sacaments..if possible. You go to confession regularly. You just try to be the best person you can and you don't commit "Mortal Sins". Those are a big nono.

Officially Cargirl, RCs believe in salvation through good works (see the example of the rich man and Lazarus), rather than salvation by faith alone.

What are the sacraments and what are the "mortal sins" and what happens if you commit a "mortal sin"?

You get to heaven by the grace of God. You live a good life and are judged at the moment of your death.

Really MaryBS?????????????????? Really truly they don't believe in salvations via faith & ongoing relationship in God

I kind of just thought it was traditions getting in the way, not that they believe something so fundamentally different

What about Anglican Catholics?

TFD what are you judged on?

Faith IS VERY VERY important to a RC, Cargirl, but faith without good works to back it up is seen as hypocritical, even wrong. I would say any devout Catholic DOES believe in faith and an ongoing relationship with God.

Anglican Catholics? Well the official teaching of the Anglican church is salvation by faith/by the grace of God alone.

A mortal sin is a deliberate turning away from God. If you die in a state of mortal sin, without repentence, you are separated forever from God. ie - your soul is in hell.

I think.
Been a while since I was in the vicinity of a catechism

Yes, MaryBS, that is what I've heard too. Unfortunately, my church didn't see it that way. When you meet "the devil" and you fall under his influence then you aren't allowed back.
You spend the rest of your life trying to make amends but you live in fear of that devil returning.
Okay, I'm out. Have a great day ladies.

Okay RC is the same as other christian denominations then because if you are in an ongoing relationship with God then your daily life will reflect that through the way you live out our life - phew!

so tell me about praying to Mary & purgatory, what's that all about?

You are judged on how you have lived your life. On your love for other people. It isn't enough to profess faith in and love for God.

wehaveallbeenthere, what on earth are they on about???? do they mean "meet the devil" here on earth, or after you die?

I'm not sure what that means either? Where did meeting the devil come into what I said? (Not accusing you, but really want to know what you mean, so I can answer you properly!)

Catholics don't pray to Mary, they ask Mary to pray on their behalf, in the same way you might ask a friend to pray for you. And not just Mary, but the saints also. It is NEVER designed to take the place of praying directly to God.

As for purgatory, it is part of the doctrine of the church, to establish where you go when you die, if you die with sins unforgiven, but are not "bad enough" (whatever that means) to go to hell. Its seen almost as "a waiting place" for heaven, or at least, that is my interpretation.

Purgatory is the final purification for souls before eternal communion with God. For those who die imperfectly pure but who have not deliberately turned away from God.

Praying to Mary (and the saints) are prayers of intercession. The power that is invoked is that of God.

Mary - I am always one step behind