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Navigating Halloween

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AgileGreenSeal · 04/10/2024 08:34

Any Christian parents / grandparents here? How do you navigate Halloween in regards to your children?

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Sorciere1 · 08/10/2024 18:11

Bogstandards · 08/10/2024 17:57

Anyway, 'demon' comes from Greek 'daemon' which is a spirit, I believe in spirits. But I have zero desire to communicate with bad ones, same with my pagan friends.

That's where you're mistaken @Sorciere1. As a Christian I believe all spirit communication is actually with demons, even if you think you've got through to great aunt Ethel.
Also, the Old Testament predates the main text from Zoroastrianism by around 900 years.

I'm with you @AgileGreenSeal. Being involved with Halloween, even on a superficial level, is not appropriate for children of God.

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Here you go about demons: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demon
and here you go about Satan;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satan
came from Zoroastrianism as did the concepts of Heaven, Hell, the Last Judgement, the Savior ( Sayoshants) none of these concepts were found in Judaism before the Babylonian Exile.

FYI Christmas the fun eating, drinking partying, giving presents part isn't modern it comes from the Roman holiday of Saturnalia.. You can enjoy it, it's innocent and also worship Jesus on Dec. 25. I have many Christian friends, we're all good.

Demon - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demon

BigAnne · 08/10/2024 18:43

@AgileGreenSeal could you explain what dangerous dablings you've witnessed?

AgileGreenSeal · 08/10/2024 18:53

Bogstandards · 08/10/2024 18:01

It's quite long but you might be interested in watching OP, it gave me some food for thought.

https://www.youtube.com/live/ALY9aLKm9YI?si=eBydjfhbdJPKIlcn

I haven’t seen this before and will definitely give it a watch @Bogstandards . I do like Mike Winger, I think he’s really a very genuine and thoughtful Christian. 👍

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Bogstandards · 08/10/2024 18:54

I know what a demon is @Sorciere1 and there's a lot of 'possibly' and 'maybe' in those articles. I don't view Wikipedia as a reliable source of information anyway.

Are you suggesting Christians shouldn't be celebrating Christmas either as it has roots in pagan festivals?

Bogstandards · 08/10/2024 18:54

So do I @AgileGreenSeal Top guy. 👌

Sleepymogster · 08/10/2024 19:08

Involving oneself in any of these activities, even as ‘just a bit of fun’ is extremely risky in terms of identifying oneself to the spirit world as ‘open’ to interaction

OP, are you saying you think you’d be prone to corruption by evil spirits if you partook? Are you really saying that?

Turnipheads · 08/10/2024 19:13

Halloween as it stands now means different things to different people and I think it’s easy to overthink it and obviously popular culture has formed it into some sort of horror show but that’s just fairly modern rubbish. However originally most ancient cultures had some sort of feast/celebration at this time of the year and that’s where it originated from in various forms. Obviously Samhain from the Celtic world is one well known example. Basically most were associated with the end of the harvest season, winter and darkness coming in the months ahead, animals that couldn’t be kept and fed throughout the harsh coming winter months without grazing were slaughtered. Also because the dark harsh winter months meant many of the elderly or sick people in the community wouldn’t make it into Spring either, a connection to the dead was made. I’m an archaeologist and when you put yourself into the shoes of these ancient people you can see why it was an important time to hold one last special meal & celebration together to mark the challenging months ahead. They didn’t know who was going to make it through. I have a particular interest in spiritual beliefs through different cultures and the more you look, you realise there’s more that unites us than divides us and many complex festivals today, had quite basic origins. Many relate to the seasons because this often affected the thin line between life and death for these people, weather, harvests and seasons meant everything. However, later on things get distorted, manipulated or portrayed in a different manner depending on religious beliefs.

Mortifiedbythis · 08/10/2024 19:22

That's a very interesting perspective @Turnipheads, thanks for that.

Sorciere1 · 08/10/2024 19:22

Bogstandards · 08/10/2024 18:54

I know what a demon is @Sorciere1 and there's a lot of 'possibly' and 'maybe' in those articles. I don't view Wikipedia as a reliable source of information anyway.

Are you suggesting Christians shouldn't be celebrating Christmas either as it has roots in pagan festivals?

Here we go about the influence of Zorastrianism on Judaism and subsequently Christianity: He's a professor .
Persian Influence on Daniel and Jewish Apocalyptic Literature
By Vicente Dobroruka · 2022
"Vicente Dobroruka explores Iranian influence on Second Temple Judaism, providing a new explanation of Persian culture and history in the context of biblical accounts by focusing on the spread of Zoroastrian ideas in the period c.300 BCE–200 CE.

Dobroruka begins his investigation with an overview of the problems posed by a dualistic worldview-he examines the Indo-European origins of Zarathushtra and his ideas, explores the long-term implications for the notion of free-will, and clarifies the lightness/darkness paradigm that originated in Persia. Following this, Dobroruka discusses a variety of concepts that illustrate this influence, such as the role of matter and the material world, aspects of dualism and the" cosmic struggle, the perspectives on the rewards for the just and the opposing punishments for the wicked, the idea of an 'Anointed One', shamanistic visionary experience, the resurrection, and the concepts of Sheol and Paradise."

Who is Satan? (biblical Archeology Society) " It is certainly easy to make the connection between Israel’s time in exile and the likely influence of the cosmic dualism of Persian religion."
Christmas https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/people-cultures-in-the-bible/jesus-historical-jesus/how-december-25-became-christmas/
I think most Christians know there were older holidays before their and are fine with it. I'm fine with my Christian friends celebrating Dec 25. and enjoying the festive atmosphere.

Before you continue to Google Search

https://www.google.com.ua/search?sca_esv=4b629c57e28de7e7&hl=en&sxsrf=ADLYWILjmsRSfHHcVMcBGWaougzglj-LjA:1728410266391&q=inauthor:%22Vicente+Dobroruka%22&tbm=bks

Bogstandards · 08/10/2024 21:17

He's just one scholar @Sorciere1 I haven't read the book but there'll be a thousand and one other takes on it if you look elsewhere.
There's nothing new in the article you linked. The author does not deny the existence of The Accuser.
Ephesians 6:10-12 sums it up nicely -

Finally, be strong in the Lord and in the strength of his might. Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the schemes of the devil. For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.

OVienna · 08/10/2024 21:21

Turnipheads · 08/10/2024 19:13

Halloween as it stands now means different things to different people and I think it’s easy to overthink it and obviously popular culture has formed it into some sort of horror show but that’s just fairly modern rubbish. However originally most ancient cultures had some sort of feast/celebration at this time of the year and that’s where it originated from in various forms. Obviously Samhain from the Celtic world is one well known example. Basically most were associated with the end of the harvest season, winter and darkness coming in the months ahead, animals that couldn’t be kept and fed throughout the harsh coming winter months without grazing were slaughtered. Also because the dark harsh winter months meant many of the elderly or sick people in the community wouldn’t make it into Spring either, a connection to the dead was made. I’m an archaeologist and when you put yourself into the shoes of these ancient people you can see why it was an important time to hold one last special meal & celebration together to mark the challenging months ahead. They didn’t know who was going to make it through. I have a particular interest in spiritual beliefs through different cultures and the more you look, you realise there’s more that unites us than divides us and many complex festivals today, had quite basic origins. Many relate to the seasons because this often affected the thin line between life and death for these people, weather, harvests and seasons meant everything. However, later on things get distorted, manipulated or portrayed in a different manner depending on religious beliefs.

Excellent post.

MetalGearSystem · 08/10/2024 23:58

Bogstandards · 08/10/2024 18:54

I know what a demon is @Sorciere1 and there's a lot of 'possibly' and 'maybe' in those articles. I don't view Wikipedia as a reliable source of information anyway.

Are you suggesting Christians shouldn't be celebrating Christmas either as it has roots in pagan festivals?

theres also lots of maybes in the bibles themselves especially as its all written by humans and a very select few back in those times so very easy to control what the books said etc no written words are fully trustworthy

mathanxiety · 09/10/2024 02:19

AgileGreenSeal · 07/10/2024 17:17

I don’t find anything to do with it “fun”.
I do find the night itself extremely oppressive spiritually.

Thanks for your comment.

Do you celebrate the religious feasts of All Saints and All Souls in church services?

Fwiw, I find the current Irish vogue of adamant preference for pre-Christian culture (or what some fondly imagine as such) pretty oppressive. However, I don't think people celebrating Hallowe'en in the current secular way is a radical or irrevocable rejection of God any more than buying insurance is. There are lots of people who celebrate Hallowe'en who would never dabble in seances or tarot cards or anything like that.

www.crossroadsinitiative.com/media/articles/satan-the-devil-the-fall-of-the-angels-catechism-of-the-catholic-church/
This is what the Catechism of the Catholic Church has to say on the topic of the father of lies, for anyone who is interested.

AgileGreenSeal · 09/10/2024 07:17

Sleepymogster · 08/10/2024 19:08

Involving oneself in any of these activities, even as ‘just a bit of fun’ is extremely risky in terms of identifying oneself to the spirit world as ‘open’ to interaction

OP, are you saying you think you’d be prone to corruption by evil spirits if you partook? Are you really saying that?

Involving oneself in divination or necromancy is definitely making oneself open to evil spirits. Yes.

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KindOf · 09/10/2024 07:32

mathanxiety · 09/10/2024 02:19

Do you celebrate the religious feasts of All Saints and All Souls in church services?

Fwiw, I find the current Irish vogue of adamant preference for pre-Christian culture (or what some fondly imagine as such) pretty oppressive. However, I don't think people celebrating Hallowe'en in the current secular way is a radical or irrevocable rejection of God any more than buying insurance is. There are lots of people who celebrate Hallowe'en who would never dabble in seances or tarot cards or anything like that.

www.crossroadsinitiative.com/media/articles/satan-the-devil-the-fall-of-the-angels-catechism-of-the-catholic-church/
This is what the Catechism of the Catholic Church has to say on the topic of the father of lies, for anyone who is interested.

People are enthusiastic about ‘pre-Christian Irish spirituality Lite’ precisely because it isn’t the catechism, which became such a tool of social control, though.

Screamingabdabz · 09/10/2024 10:01

AgileGreenSeal · 07/10/2024 16:43

I understand it very well, thanks.

I’ve seen how dabbling in some of these things can affect people. It’s anything but ‘fun’ so I won’t be participating.

I just wondered what other Christians were doing about it, hence my original post.

Thanks for your comment.

But it is fun for children. And as long as they’re guided safely and toward the light, I still don’t see the harm.

I have known schools full of trick or treaters and none of them were adversely affected spiritually. Your obsession with darkness and demons seems oppressive and I feel sorry for the children who you have in your charge.

Jesus calls us to be salt and light in the world. I think that’s a good place to start.

DamnitImTired · 09/10/2024 10:45

Screamingabdabz · 09/10/2024 10:01

But it is fun for children. And as long as they’re guided safely and toward the light, I still don’t see the harm.

I have known schools full of trick or treaters and none of them were adversely affected spiritually. Your obsession with darkness and demons seems oppressive and I feel sorry for the children who you have in your charge.

Jesus calls us to be salt and light in the world. I think that’s a good place to start.

Agree and it’s possibly this exact oppression with which Christians seem to navigate through the world which has seen church attendance drop. A little bit of lightness would go along way.

You do not have to converse with demons and embrace the occult to allow a little fun in the name of dressing up and trick or treating.

Halloween is what you believe it to be!

Words · 09/10/2024 18:19

Let alone all the environmentally dreadful tack and tat that is sold to promote this fairly recently commercially exploited saints day.

Much more of a worry than ´daemons' and black magic, I would venture.

Words · 09/10/2024 18:27

Sorry - the occult daemons got the better of me there.

For many people having a procession of gurning ridiculously clad children constantly ringing the bell and extorting small change with menaces throughout an evening is in no way fun. It is annoying, irritating and stressful.

Sure, anything can be what you want it to be. What an utterly banal thing to say.

I found my own way of dealing with it in the end.

Bogstandards · 09/10/2024 18:30

theres also lots of maybes in the bibles themselves especially as its all written by humans and a very select few back in those times so very easy to control what the books said etc no written words are fully trustworthy

@MetalGearSystem What do you mean by Bibles - plural? I wrote about this in another thread. This is also from Mike Winger:

In the last 150 years we've discovered a lot of very old manuscripts. In those newly discovered manuscripts, we have found zero new readings of the Bible. All we've done with them is to confirm which of the readings we already have is more likely to be the original - which explains some of the differences in each translation of your Bible - some of them more modern, some more ancient. We're not getting new readings, we're confirming old ones - we're just getting more confident about the original text. Has the Bible been changed so much by scribes that we cannot recover its original text? No - it has been copied by scribes so much that they can't hide the original text. It was copied so early and so frequently that you can't hide what it said - you can't change it, you can't remove it. There's no reason to doubt that we have the Word of God handed down to us faithfully.

Differences between translations of Scripture will be subtle and ultimately don't change the original meaning of the text.
For example, here is the Parable of the Lost Coin (Luke 15:8-10) in four different English translations:

Either what woman having ten pieces of silver, if she lose one piece, doth not light a candle, and sweep the house, and seek diligently till she find it?
And when she hath found it, she calleth her friends and her neighbours together, saying, Rejoice with me; for I have found the piece which I had lost.
Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth. - King James Version

“Or what woman, having ten silver coins, if she loses one coin, does not light a lamp and sweep the house and seek diligently until she finds it? And when she has found it, she calls together her friends and neighbors, saying, ‘Rejoice with me, for I have found the coin that I had lost.’ Just so, I tell you, there is joy before the angels of God over one sinner who repents.” - English Standard Version

“Or suppose a woman has ten silver coins and loses one. Doesn’t she light a lamp, sweep the house and search carefully until she finds it? And when she finds it, she calls her friends and neighbors together and says, ‘Rejoice with me; I have found my lost coin.’ In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.” - New International Version

“Or suppose a woman has ten silver coins and loses one. Won’t she light a lamp and sweep the entire house and search carefully until she finds it? And when she finds it, she will call in her friends and neighbors and say, ‘Rejoice with me because I have found my lost coin.’ In the same way, there is joy in the presence of God’s angels when even one sinner repents.” - New Living Translation

https://www.str.org/w/-misquoting-jesus-answering-bart-ehrman

https://www.str.org/w/the-bible-has-been-translated-many-times-over-so-how-can-it-be-reliable-?plbackurl=%2Fsearch%3Fq%3DTranslations

Soitis83 · 09/10/2024 18:31

I'm Christian, love Jesus with every inch of me. We don't 'celebrate' Halloween but my children dress up and do trick or treating with their friends, go to the school Halloween disco ect. It's just an excuse for my kids to make memories and have fun.

Bogstandards · 09/10/2024 18:36

@DamnitImTired & @Soitis83 You don't see anything wrong with children (or adults for that matter!) dressed up as serial killers and mass murderers?

MetalGearSystem · 09/10/2024 18:38

Bogstandards · 09/10/2024 18:30

theres also lots of maybes in the bibles themselves especially as its all written by humans and a very select few back in those times so very easy to control what the books said etc no written words are fully trustworthy

@MetalGearSystem What do you mean by Bibles - plural? I wrote about this in another thread. This is also from Mike Winger:

In the last 150 years we've discovered a lot of very old manuscripts. In those newly discovered manuscripts, we have found zero new readings of the Bible. All we've done with them is to confirm which of the readings we already have is more likely to be the original - which explains some of the differences in each translation of your Bible - some of them more modern, some more ancient. We're not getting new readings, we're confirming old ones - we're just getting more confident about the original text. Has the Bible been changed so much by scribes that we cannot recover its original text? No - it has been copied by scribes so much that they can't hide the original text. It was copied so early and so frequently that you can't hide what it said - you can't change it, you can't remove it. There's no reason to doubt that we have the Word of God handed down to us faithfully.

Differences between translations of Scripture will be subtle and ultimately don't change the original meaning of the text.
For example, here is the Parable of the Lost Coin (Luke 15:8-10) in four different English translations:

Either what woman having ten pieces of silver, if she lose one piece, doth not light a candle, and sweep the house, and seek diligently till she find it?
And when she hath found it, she calleth her friends and her neighbours together, saying, Rejoice with me; for I have found the piece which I had lost.
Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth. - King James Version

“Or what woman, having ten silver coins, if she loses one coin, does not light a lamp and sweep the house and seek diligently until she finds it? And when she has found it, she calls together her friends and neighbors, saying, ‘Rejoice with me, for I have found the coin that I had lost.’ Just so, I tell you, there is joy before the angels of God over one sinner who repents.” - English Standard Version

“Or suppose a woman has ten silver coins and loses one. Doesn’t she light a lamp, sweep the house and search carefully until she finds it? And when she finds it, she calls her friends and neighbors together and says, ‘Rejoice with me; I have found my lost coin.’ In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.” - New International Version

“Or suppose a woman has ten silver coins and loses one. Won’t she light a lamp and sweep the entire house and search carefully until she finds it? And when she finds it, she will call in her friends and neighbors and say, ‘Rejoice with me because I have found my lost coin.’ In the same way, there is joy in the presence of God’s angels when even one sinner repents.” - New Living Translation

https://www.str.org/w/-misquoting-jesus-answering-bart-ehrman

https://www.str.org/w/the-bible-has-been-translated-many-times-over-so-how-can-it-be-reliable-?plbackurl=%2Fsearch%3Fq%3DTranslations

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An essay

Analysis of the Trustworthiness and Transmission of Biblical Texts: An Academic Perspective

The reliability and trustworthiness of the Bible, particularly in relation to concerns about its transmission and potential manipulation over time. Key considerations include the fact that the Bible was authored by humans, the possibility of selective editing or control over its content, and the implications of its extensive manuscript tradition. On the other side of the argument, recent discoveries of ancient manuscripts have bolstered claims regarding the Bible’s textual integrity, suggesting that its core message has remained relatively unchanged. This analysis will critically assess these perspectives, incorporating evidence from manuscript studies, textual criticism, and historical context.

The Role of Human Agency in Scriptural Authorship

Human Influence on Scriptural Writing

One fundamental concern is that the Bible was written by humans, which inherently raises questions about bias, subjectivity, and the potential for manipulation. In ancient societies, literacy was generally confined to a select group of individuals—mainly political and religious elites—who controlled the production and dissemination of written texts. This restricted access to the written word could have allowed these elites to influence the content of the Bible, shaping it to align with particular theological or political agendas.

Canon Formation and Selectivity

The process of biblical canonization further complicates the issue of trustworthiness. The formation of the Bible, particularly the New Testament, involved centuries of discussion and debate. For example, the Council of Nicaea (325 AD) is often highlighted as a significant moment in which the early church began formalizing the canon. Various texts were either included or excluded based on theological criteria. Texts such as the Gnostic Gospels, which were excluded from the canon, raise questions about what perspectives may have been left out and how those decisions were influenced by the ecclesiastical authorities of the time.

Ambiguities and Interpretative Variability

The argument concerning "maybes" within the Bible refers to the inherent ambiguity in many of its passages. Biblical texts are often written in allegorical or symbolic language, making them subject to diverse interpretations. This introduces an element of human subjectivity into both the writing and reading of the Bible. Over centuries, theologians and scholars have debated the correct interpretations of numerous passages, further demonstrating that the text is not immune to human influence and variability in understanding.

Counterpoints: Manuscript Discoveries and Textual Integrity

The Discovery of Ancient Manuscripts

In recent history, particularly over the last 150 years, significant discoveries of ancient biblical manuscripts have provided substantial insight into the Bible’s textual transmission. Notable among these are the Dead Sea Scrolls, found in the mid-20th century, which include texts dating from the 3rd century BCE to the 1st century CE. These ancient manuscripts offer an invaluable resource for comparing the early versions of biblical texts with later copies, enabling scholars to trace the evolution of the Bible's transmission.

Textual Criticism and Manuscript Tradition

Textual criticism, the academic discipline dedicated to analyzing variations between manuscript copies, has played a key role in affirming the integrity of the Bible's transmission. Scholars have access to thousands of manuscripts of the Bible, particularly for the New Testament, with estimates ranging around 5,800 Greek manuscripts alone, in addition to thousands of Latin, Coptic, and Syriac translations. This extensive manuscript tradition provides a robust foundation for identifying and correcting scribal errors, ensuring that the core message of the Bible has been preserved across centuries. The high degree of consistency among these manuscripts, despite minor variations, supports the notion that significant alterations to the text were unlikely.

The assertion that "the Bible has been copied so much that its original text cannot be hidden" is reflective of this scholarly consensus. Rather than introducing new readings, the discovery of ancient manuscripts has allowed scholars to confirm which variations are closest to the original. Thus, while there are minor textual differences, these variations are largely inconsequential to the overall theological or narrative content of the Bible.

Impact of Translations

The existence of multiple translations of the Bible often gives rise to confusion regarding its reliability. Variations between translations typically arise from differences in linguistic interpretation and the underlying manuscript traditions used by translators. Some translations, such as the King James Version, aim for literal word-for-word accuracy, while others, like the New International Version, seek to provide thought-for-thought clarity. These translational differences, however, are generally minor and do not significantly alter the meaning of the text. This suggests that, despite differences in style and phrasing, the essential message of the Bible has been faithfully preserved.

Challenges and Critiques of Manuscript Fidelity

Scribal Errors and Textual Variants

While the large number of biblical manuscripts provides a strong case for the integrity of the Bible’s transmission, it is important to acknowledge that scribal errors do exist. These errors can be either intentional (such as theological corrections or editorial decisions) or unintentional (such as miscopying due to fatigue or poor conditions). In some cases, these errors have led to variants that introduce different theological emphases or minor changes in narrative detail. However, scholars have generally been able to identify these variations and correct them through comparative analysis of manuscripts.

Theological Controversies and Textual Changes

A more substantial critique concerns the role of theological disputes in early Christianity. The first few centuries of the church were marked by intense theological debates, particularly surrounding Christological issues (e.g., the nature of Christ’s divinity). Some scholars argue that these theological debates may have led to intentional alterations of the text by scribes, who sought to emphasize or diminish particular doctrines. For instance, some passages that appear in later manuscripts may have been modified to support emerging orthodox views, while earlier manuscripts may present a less definitive stance on certain theological issues.

Conclusion

In conclusion, the trustworthiness and reliability of the Bible is a subject that requires a balanced and nuanced approach. On one side, legitimate concerns arise from the fact that the Bible was authored and transmitted by humans, leaving it vulnerable to manipulation, bias, and subjective interpretation. The process of canonization, selective inclusion of texts, and the inherent ambiguities within the biblical text further complicate claims of its absolute trustworthiness.

On the other hand, the sheer volume of biblical manuscripts, combined with the application of textual criticism, provides compelling evidence for the general integrity of the Bible’s transmission. Discoveries of ancient manuscripts, such as the Dead Sea Scrolls, have allowed scholars to confirm the reliability of the biblical text, demonstrating that its core message has remained largely intact across centuries. While minor textual variants exist, these variations do not substantively alter the theological or narrative content of the Bible.

Thus, while it is important to approach the Bible with an awareness of its human authorship and historical context, the evidence suggests that it has been transmitted with a high degree of fidelity. Ongoing academic research in manuscript studies and textual criticism continues to refine our understanding of the Bible’s transmission, affirming its overall reliability as a religious and historical text.

Bogstandards · 09/10/2024 18:46

Discoveries of ancient manuscripts, such as the Dead Sea Scrolls, have allowed scholars to confirm the reliability of the biblical text, demonstrating that its core message has remained largely intact across centuries.

the evidence suggests that it has been transmitted with a high degree of fidelity. Ongoing academic research in manuscript studies and textual criticism continues to refine our understanding of the Bible’s transmission, affirming its overall reliability as a religious and historical text.

Excellent, we're in agreement then @MetalGearSystem!

MetalGearSystem · 09/10/2024 18:49

Bogstandards · 09/10/2024 18:46

Discoveries of ancient manuscripts, such as the Dead Sea Scrolls, have allowed scholars to confirm the reliability of the biblical text, demonstrating that its core message has remained largely intact across centuries.

the evidence suggests that it has been transmitted with a high degree of fidelity. Ongoing academic research in manuscript studies and textual criticism continues to refine our understanding of the Bible’s transmission, affirming its overall reliability as a religious and historical text.

Excellent, we're in agreement then @MetalGearSystem!

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on this then yes i concede and agree, but for me the bottom line is once its written by humans then i dont trust it.