"Jesus was Muslim" could some one explain this to me?

[Toddlerteaplease]

Not trying to be goady, I'm genuinely puzzled by this statement. I saw it on one of the stalls giving out Information and literature about Islam, In my city centre. I am aware that Jesus is regarded as a prophet In Islam. But since he was Jewish, his entire life, I'm not sure how anyone can claim he was Muslim.

Doctors are man-made but if you're getting a tonsillectomy it matters if the person doing it is a doctor.
Roads are man-made but it's better to drive on a road than a river.
I mean so what?

Thank you for this. I was aware of most of it but you have put it so clearly.

Jesus was Jewish. Not Muslim.

we believe Jesus brought us the Bible

Which part? @ttcchapter2

Jesus can be both Jewish and Muslim. Jews define Judaism as a race not a religion, they say that someone is a jew if his mother is jewish. So there are plenty of Atheist Jews out there and they will always be considered jewish by other jews.
Second point is that Islam claims is that all prophets from Moses to Mohamed announced the same message and the same religion. So also Abraham is considered to be a muslim and also Moses, not just Jesus.
What matters to be a muslim is to believe in the one god, the afterlife, heaven and hell.
The rest is secondary and can change according to the region and time and what is good and bad for a particular people.

Islam wasn't founded until about 500 years father Jesus's time. However islam is an Abrahamic religion like Christianity and Judaism so they hold jesus to be a prophet. Muslims consider Moses, jesus, Abraham etc to be Muslim

*after not father

The reason for this is because of the age of the three Abrahamic religions Judaism is the oldest so they do not believe in jesus or Muhammad. Islam is the youngest. Christianity being in the middle believes in Jesus not Muhammad.

An attempt to convince people that they could just see Islam as a natural progression of their Christianity, a bit like Christianity was originally a Jewish cult. Bit like Romans nicked Greek gods. It’s a ploy as old as time!

Nope not an attempt and not a ploy.
Here's the facts from a Muslim (already stated in my old comments)

Jesus is a prophet of God same as Abraham, Adam (first man in earth), Noah, Jacob, Joseph, David, Solomon, Jonah, Moses, and last but not the least, Muhammad. (And many more)
Peace be upon them all.

As Muslim kids we are taught that God sent prophets to guide mankind starting from Adam. (who was expelled from paradise because of eating the forbidden fruit, he asked for forgiveness most humbly and was forgiven most graciously but could no longer be in Paradise and had to come down to the lower place "this world").

Since Adam, God kept sending prophets to guide mankind to the truth. They were sent at different times to different people. Each of them had the same message of One God but the methods of prayers and worship were different depending on the time in history and the culture etc. God knows best why.

The Quran names 25 Prophets but there are many more unnamed about a 100,000 throughout.

4 chief Prophets are Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad.

4 of them were given a book David, Moses, Jesus, Muhammad.
(Book as in the Word of God Himself)

Muhammad (pbuh) himself said he is just continuing the message of his predecessors and has bought nothing new.

@Mercurial123
Muslims didn't cherry pick from Christianity.
Later Christians had added trinity to the original message of Jesus. Trinity was never an original concept of Christianity.

Nah, yes that is the “doctrine” made up for Islam. The doctrine was made up like this to co- opt the Christian and Jewish faiths and see it as the natural successor. It’s a common ploy as I stated. The Romans did the same with Christianity and the Pagan religions of the area it conquered, before that Alexander the Great did the same with the Greek gods.

Religions are made up and often used by those trying to conquered to create shared new values. when Mohammed came out his cave and said he had seen Gabriel his sole intention was to do the same, it was a mechanism to control and expand his territories and power. It’s not my fault people buy into his (made up) story. Even a cursory application of critical thinking and looking at historical precedent will reveal its a ploy to meet his aims.

People can believe whatever they like. But their beliefs are just that. As I said. Claim Jesus was a Muslim is ridiculous and purely included in Muslim thought as a power trip. It is also incredibly insulting to other religions. It’s clear though Mohammed and all Muslims are clearly Christian as we are “all one in Christ”

Actually they did. Interestingly they also appear to have half inched some stuff from non canon gospels so they put a bit of effort into it at least.

I think you’re confused about the development of Christianity. The concept of trinity is based on the gospels (largely Matthew).

@loveramadan

I believe the trinity is at the centre of Christianity

Interesting you happen to know Muhammad’s (peace be upon him) “sole intention” when he came out of the cave!
and the rest of the thousands of people over the last 1400 years were “buying in to the story”…

You’ve massively discredited your argument with this claim. It’s hard to know the true intentions of a person next to you, let alone a historical figure from over a thousand years ago.

Islam is the only other religion that venerates and honours Jesus to this degree. Jews don’t even believe in his existence and totally deny him.

Calling someone your own is one of the highest form of respect so we calling him a Muslim shows our immense love and respect for him.
Infact a Muslim cannot be a true Muslim without faith in Jesus.

You spoke about Muhammad just like Jews speak about Jesus. That tells me a lot about you.

and yep you tried to offend us by calling us “Christians”. We Muslims love to say that! We will gladly say Muslims are more Christians than Christians themselves! Because of our belief and love for Jesus that our Prophet taught us. The only difference is we believe he is not the son of God rather a very special Prophet of God who performed various miracles in his time. (Including water to wine ;))

Hi @suburburban
in the modern day, it certainly seems to be the most popular and common belief among Christians. However I have a few work colleagues from different Christian denominations who don’t believe in Trinity despite being Christians.
Muslims also subscribe to that school of thought.
However those Christians may still believe him as son of God (but not God himself) as opposed to Muslims who are staunch in the belief that it is beneath God to beget an offspring.

This is well explained. 💯 agreed

@Feelingathomenow Well since God wrote both Bible and Quran, and He chose to include (or cherrypick) things from His former book. So what?
And yes “inched some stuff” too lol.

Actually man wrote bothe the Bible and Quran. Quite a bit of the Old Testament was a direct lift from other belief systems..The New Testament had large parts written by a Jewish mystic, mixing his own ideas with. Those of the tradition of-mysticism he was part of, large parts were nicked from Green ideas.

The Quran was written by a number of scribes who may or may not have accurately quoted the illiterate Mohammed, it was written for the purpose of conquest over other territories. It was written with that sole purpose.

if Mohammed was saying nothing changed, then there is absolute zero purpose to his being or the Quran. What is the point of Islam if you’re saying nothing was changed, on that basis, all Muslims are Jewish or Christian aren’t they if they are just following an unchanged religion?

No one is Muslim who doesn’t actively claim to be. It’s a control mechanism. Cabt you see how disrespectful it is to be telling people their holy figures are Muslim? That they are Muslim? I’m not Muslim, I fundamentally disagree with almost everything about it, I find it extremely misogynistic and aggressive. I don’t find anything of value in the religion that can’t be found elsewhere set out in much bettter ways. So I don’t want anything to do with it. If, for whatever reason, you do, good for you, but that’s your private decision, don’t try and co-opt others into it. But I don’t need anything b to with a wholly man made construct,

I find such concepts like “reversion” both ridiculous and aggressive. Although at the same time the people who came up with it were very clever. As it was a mechanism designed for conquest, including something like - you are not being converted as you already are that thing helps enormously and gives its followers a sense of entitlement. Islam thought is largely like all other religions that have existed man made, and nothing to do with “God”..

Islam os a relatively young religion. Religions go through predicable cycles of rise and fall. At the moment it looks to be folllowing a similar cycle to Christianity. Give it a couple off hundred years and it will just be yet another religion of the past to add onto the hundreds probably thousands that have also existed and something new will have come a long to replace it as new control mechanisms so are needed/desired.

It is! This. 100%. Any watered down version that Jesus is not fully God, is not “christian”, despite any claims otherwise by false teachers. And despite others saying they know of people who say they are christian but who don’t believe in the triune nature of God (JWs , Mormons, etc). Islam too is teaching a false ‘Jesus’. I realise that God in three distinct persons, Father, Son, and Spirit is a difficult and bizarre concept, and the Bible gives many warnings about false teaching and wolves in sheep’s clothing. Just to be clear, Christ Jesus, ie God the Son, was born Jewish. Islam was not even thought of when Christ Jesus, ie God the Son was born into the Jewish faith. He is fully Jewish: his disciples, including me, are Christian (the clue is in the name). Christ Jesus is the Jewish Messiah and with His birth, death and resurrection the Old Testament laws were fulfilled and a new Faith was born, ie, Christ-ianity. Just to be clear: Jesus is Jewish and anything other than ‘Jesus is Jewish’, is a false narrative. Buyer, beware!

Definitely my take on it

I am happy to be called Muslim or anything else. I don't even mind the LDS baptising me after death as they do. Bring it all on as it does no harm. I think it is very good when the 51% of the UK who are atheist , the 48% who are Christian and other faiths talk to each other; but very few in the UK believe in Islam and gradually it will die out in a few generations as people integrate with the Christians or ove to having no beliefs in God as that is our trend. It is one reason some people choose to go to or remain in a country that is mostly their own religion so they can ensure they preserve their faith.

Yes I’m increasingly coming across “cultural Muslims” rather than religious Muslims

@Thegreatestoftheseislove Yes you call him the Jewish messiah as a Christian. Whereas the Jews will reject Jesus completely. One Jew told me personally not knowing as Muslim I believe in Jesus, he said "there is no Jesus person, the messiah is someone else and he is going to come at end of times"

Isn't it funny that Jews deny Christ the same way Christians deny Muhammad?
(Also we believe Jesus is going to come at end of times as messiah, just to be clear)

And by the way when we say Muslim we don't mean he came after Muhammad. We agree he came before Muhammad (peace be upon him and all the prophets)

@Feelingathomenow Let me clarify what Muslim translates in English "a person who submits to God"
By that definition Jesus submitted to God so he is a Muslim. You see what we mean?
And also for us, by the same definition, Adam was Muslim and so was Abraham, Moses and all the other prophets. Because they all submitted to God. (in Arabic that's a Muslim)

They all came with message of One God.

Also FYI, Jacob, Joseph, David, Solomon, Moses, Jesus are all descendants of Isaac, son of Abraham. And Muhammad, is descendant of Ishmael, son of Abraham.
(peace on them all)

We'll see how your prediction pans out