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"Jesus was Muslim" could some one explain this to me?

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Toddlerteaplease · 20/03/2024 08:23

Not trying to be goady, I'm genuinely puzzled by this statement. I saw it on one of the stalls giving out Information and literature about Islam, In my city centre. I am aware that Jesus is regarded as a prophet In Islam. But since he was Jewish, his entire life, I'm not sure how anyone can claim he was Muslim.

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Boombatty · 23/03/2024 23:03

So wouldn't that mean that Muslims believe that Christians are also Muslim as they are submitting to the will of God? They just call him God instead of Allah?

Wwydh · 23/03/2024 23:13

Boombatty · 23/03/2024 23:03

So wouldn't that mean that Muslims believe that Christians are also Muslim as they are submitting to the will of God? They just call him God instead of Allah?

I'm not too familiar with all the denominations of Christianity, but Muslims have to submit to the will of one God and associate no one with Him. Therefore, Christians are not Muslim, although they will be treated and judged the same as Muslims on the day of judgment. "Indeed, the believers; Jews, Sabians and Christians- whoever believes in God and the Last Day and does good, there will be no fear for them, nor will they grieve” (Qur’an 2:62 and 5:69).

You are correct about your second point though. Allah is just the Arabic word for God. Arab and Turkish Christians call God Allah.

Careforcarers · 23/03/2024 23:23

Toddlerteaplease · 20/03/2024 08:23

Not trying to be goady, I'm genuinely puzzled by this statement. I saw it on one of the stalls giving out Information and literature about Islam, In my city centre. I am aware that Jesus is regarded as a prophet In Islam. But since he was Jewish, his entire life, I'm not sure how anyone can claim he was Muslim.

Since the Islamic faith came around a 1000 years after Jesus. Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Jedi,

hellsBells246 · 23/03/2024 23:25

Hoppinggreen · 20/03/2024 08:28

I am not a Muslim so perhaps not best qualified to explain but Jesus cant have been a Muslim as his life and death predates Islam I believe. I think he is know as a prophet in Islam because some of his teachings resonate with Islam.
Of course, then theres the fact that he may or may not even have existed anyway

Oh, he existed. There is proof of that.

Careforcarers · 23/03/2024 23:26

So basically muslims came from Christians who came from Jewish people. All follow one God and adapted each time to suit their version....

FiveFoxes · 23/03/2024 23:38

Wwydh · 23/03/2024 23:13

I'm not too familiar with all the denominations of Christianity, but Muslims have to submit to the will of one God and associate no one with Him. Therefore, Christians are not Muslim, although they will be treated and judged the same as Muslims on the day of judgment. "Indeed, the believers; Jews, Sabians and Christians- whoever believes in God and the Last Day and does good, there will be no fear for them, nor will they grieve” (Qur’an 2:62 and 5:69).

You are correct about your second point though. Allah is just the Arabic word for God. Arab and Turkish Christians call God Allah.

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That is a lovely passage.

How awful there is and has been so much fighting between all the Abraham religions over the centuries in light of that.

LorlieS · 23/03/2024 23:47

"The Last Supper" was the Passover meal. Jesus was of course Jewish.

Wheresthescissors · 23/03/2024 23:55

Careforcarers · 23/03/2024 23:23

Since the Islamic faith came around a 1000 years after Jesus. Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Jedi,

Not close to a thousand years, no.

penjil · 24/03/2024 00:10

Christ was around about 600 years before Islam, so no, he wasn't a Muslim.

😂😂😂

penjil · 24/03/2024 00:11

Careforcarers · 23/03/2024 23:26

So basically muslims came from Christians who came from Jewish people. All follow one God and adapted each time to suit their version....

Not quite.

loveramadan · 24/03/2024 01:31

Hi! The reason you are puzzled is because the general knowledge among people is that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) started the religion of Islam.

Well actually as Muslims we believe that God send messengers throughout time since the first man on earth. They all came with the same message of belief in One God. It's obligatory as Muslims to believe in all these prophets / messengers.

Every prophet was sent to a particular group of people.
And therefore while the fundamentals of the message were identical (One God, this life and the next life, angels etc), however the little details of how to pray and fast etc were different depending on the time period each prophet was sent to and also the country or region they were sent to so as to make the message easy for the people there accordingly.

So similarly Jesus and Moses were sent at different times but carrying the same fundamental message.
And so did Muhammad come with the same message carrying on the legacy of all the previous prophets. Peace be upon them all

All of these prophets were from the same God and the same fundamental message of belief in one God. But the details of how to pray differed depending on the time period and group that they were sent in.

We believe as Muslims that the last prophet that was sent was Muhammad. There will be no other prophet sent after him. And therefore his message is for all humanity until the end of time (unlike the previous prophets who were only sent to a group of people for fixed time, not eternity) -- this is important to understand.

Since this is a fundamental tenet of Islam, it's safe to say all these prophets are of the same religion.
And therefore easy to conclude that Jesus is Muslim because Muhammad himself said he is simply carrying forward the message of all the previous prophets.Smile
Peace be upon all the Prophets

(Another thing to note is that the books that were sent by God to Moses, Jesus were meddled with by humans and therefore the Word is not accurate as it was initially sent. However the book that God gave to Muhammad (pbuh) is preserved and God has promised that this book will not be meddled with by humans until the end of time. And therefore you will find that the Quran is exactly the same across all Muslim groups across the world today as it was since the time of the Prophet Muhammad pbuh 1445 years ago)

Hope that clarifies and happy to discuss more.

loveramadan · 24/03/2024 01:47

HairLikeAnEasterEgg · 23/03/2024 22:39

I had thought that the "Jesus was Muslim" crowd were motivated by the antisemitism that has become trendy in recent months, ie they don't like "good" figures being Jewish and also as a way of suggesting that in fact Jews do not have ancient ties to Israel. It's a view I have only seen expressed recently.

The comments on here are really interesting, though, so thank you.

As a Muslim, I can 100% assure you this is not the case at all.
Moses is also super important prophet of Islam just like Jesus and Muhammad. (Peace be upon them all)

loveramadan · 24/03/2024 01:53

penjil · 24/03/2024 00:10

Christ was around about 600 years before Islam, so no, he wasn't a Muslim.

😂😂😂

@penjil True that Jesus was alive 600 years before Muhammad pbuh time

Muhammad was just the prophet after Jesus in the line of prophets beginning since Adam as per the Islamic faith. They were both here to bring the same fundamental message of One God (as did Adam, Abraham, Noah, Jacob, Joseph, David, Solomon, Moses and all the others. Belief in them is obligatory part of Islamic faith.)
And Muhammad pbuh is the last prophet and there will be no prophets after him.

uneasyfeeling · 24/03/2024 02:07

Boombatty · 23/03/2024 23:03

So wouldn't that mean that Muslims believe that Christians are also Muslim as they are submitting to the will of God? They just call him God instead of Allah?

@Boombatty

Nearly but not quite.
The Christians and Jews are called as "People of the Book" in Quran (and we believe the Quran is the word of God just as Torah was and so was the Bible.)

However the original Torah and the Bible were changed by humans and so the message was no longer purely God's words. (Unlike the Quran that is preserved exactly as it was revealed 1400 years ago.)

Also Jews reject Jesus as messenger and Bible as the book of God just as Christians reject Muhammad as messenger and Quran as the book of God.

As Muslims it is compulsory to believe in all the messengers and their original uncorrupted version of the Books; so Christians and Jews of today cannot be called Muslims due to these fundamental differences in faith.

Streetlife7 · 24/03/2024 02:09

Jesus is mentioned more times than Muhammad in the Quran

Wastedagreatusername · 24/03/2024 07:06

Boombatty · 23/03/2024 23:03

So wouldn't that mean that Muslims believe that Christians are also Muslim as they are submitting to the will of God? They just call him God instead of Allah?

No because Muslims do not believe in Jesus being divine, the Qu’ran explicitly rejects the idea of God having a son, and they see the concept of the Trinity as being counter to their concept of there only being one God.

Bovrilla · 24/03/2024 08:38

Isn't it such an irony that with so many fundamental similarities ie belief in same god, and that our religions are related, that we find so much conflict.

If only we could see more we are branches of the same tree

loveramadan · 25/03/2024 04:52

Bovrilla · 24/03/2024 08:38

Isn't it such an irony that with so many fundamental similarities ie belief in same god, and that our religions are related, that we find so much conflict.

If only we could see more we are branches of the same tree

@Bovrilla
I feel this so much too! 💯

Darkdiamond · 25/03/2024 05:20

Just touching on some comments about Jesus' teachings and how they are similar to Islam, Buddhism etc. While it is true that Jesus explained how to live righteously, similarly to other faiths, his teachings differ from those of other religions.

Jesus' message, especially when understood within the context of the Old Testament, is that no human being is capable of living righteously enough to get to Heaven. Jesus died a horrible death in order to take on the punishment that humanity deserved, and whoever believes that Jesus did that for them, and rose from the dead into eternal life, will go to heaven (as Jesus paid the price for the entry ticket, as it were).

A Christian's entry into Heaven is therefore entirely down to what Jesus did, rather than anything the believer did (except believe). This means that Christianity is not based on us doing anything 'good' at all, but most Christians will say that their heart has changed since believing that Christ died for them. They will want to live for God as an outpouring of their love for Him, and not as a means to get to heaven.

Someone said that Paul's teachings were very gentile in nature, and I disagree. He was a very highly trained Jewish scholar and the links to the Old Testament are clear, particularly in the book of Hebrews.

Sorry if this is very jumbled but it's very early!

Mercurial123 · 25/03/2024 05:55

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Why implausible? The BBC did an interesting documentary many years ago, which was very good In the Foosteps of Jesus. They mentioned that Mary could have been raped by a Roman soldier. The last one is the least plausible, but I don't believe in any religion.

Elopelo · 25/03/2024 07:42

Please remember that for Muslims, Prophet Muhammad PBUH is the last prophet that God has sent. Muslims do not describe him as the founder of Islam- we believe that Islam existed from the beginning of time. Adam is considered to not only be the first man, but also the first Prophet and the first male Muslim.

There is a recorded authentic saying from Muhammad, a Hadith where he states ‘The Prophets are paternal brothers, their mothers are different but their religion is one.’

The Prophets came from a variety of backgrounds, different cultures, some different customs -one pp referring to Jesus having a Passover meal as evidence that he was Jewish not Muslim- but this is not a problem for Islam. Each Prophet might have had some practices that were part of their Islam which were later abrogated with newer revelations but when it comes down to the absolute fundamentals of faith, all Prophets were the same in the sense of daily prayer, avoiding idolatry, giving to charity, fasting etc.

Most Christian are not considered Muslim though because of the whole belief in Jesus as god//son of god- for Muslims, this is an extreme corruption of Jesus’ original message. No disrespect to any Christian posters, but the belief in the trinity is seen as a classic example of shirk or associating partners with God which is considered to be the worst sin in Islam. Yet at the same time the Qur’an also describes Christians as those nearest in faith to Muslims. And I do believe that the vast majority of converts to Islam come from a Christian or lapsed Christian background.

sashh · 25/03/2024 08:51

DrJoanAllenby · 20/03/2024 13:54

Have you ever seen Jesus eating a bacon sandwich?

Nope, but the first miracle was making water in to wine. Not something you would expect a muslim to do. Even if they could.

Mercurial123 · 25/03/2024 09:56

No disrespect to any Christian posters, but the belief in the trinity is seen as a classic example of shirk or associating partners with God which is considered to be the worst sin in Islam. Yet at the same time the Qur’an also describes Christians as those nearest in faith to Muslims. And I do believe that the vast majority of converts to Islam come from a Christian or lapsed Christian background

But it is disrespectful. You shouldn't go cherry picking which bits of well established religions you like and claim them for your own six hundred years later. But that's religion and hypocrisy for you.

Mercurial123 · 25/03/2024 09:56

sashh · 25/03/2024 08:51

Nope, but the first miracle was making water in to wine. Not something you would expect a muslim to do. Even if they could.

Excellent 😆

Caravaggiouch · 25/03/2024 10:00

DrJoanAllenby · 20/03/2024 13:54

Have you ever seen Jesus eating a bacon sandwich?

No, because he was a Jew.