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Trying to be a Christian... any tips?

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HeroicMinute · 02/01/2024 18:58

I've just started listening to the Hallowed app. The first thing I've come across is a Routines course, which is great for me as I am horrendous time waster, which probably explains why I haven't spiritually evolved.
I was raised loosely Christian and attended the village church as a child. I think I want to replicate this traditional experience, but with some slightly more intellectual content.
I've been thinking about Christianity for a few years, and have tried a few different churches, but nothing's stuck.
My reasons for not sticking at a church:
-I can't handle a church band, it all seems very nice and worshipful but it makes me cringe a bit. I love a choir.
-I am very opposed to modern identity politics and didn't go back when a vicar started talking about structural racism in the church.
-I stopped going to an evangelical church because the curate was sweet and excited about his Christianity but did lengthy sermons suitable for children with no analysis or intellectual stimulation.
-found a curate at another church a bit creepy.
-found the sermon in a big popular church on 8th October to be a bit antisemitic.

You get the picture; I'm a bit of a PITA and I'm obviously putting up barriers. Don't get me wrong; I'm not a particularly intellectual person but I am curious and I sincerely want to be a Christian. I don't yet believe properly, sometimes I do, well I suppose I usually do, but with varying levels of conviction.
Any tips would be very gratefully received.
Thank you in advance.

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Kdtym10 · 27/01/2025 06:39

Calmomiletea · 27/01/2025 00:34

A Jewish "mystic" who gave his life for Christ, and was martyred for his faithfulness to Christ.

Whose life experienced a 180° change, from persecuting Christians to death, became one himself and submitted to being persecuted to death by other haters of Christ.

Do you discard the Gospel of Luke, too, or just the Acts of the Apostles, which Luke also wrote, and in which he detailed what happened to Paul? And how Paul gave his life over to the message of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

But was it the message of Jesus Christ or was it the message that Paul wanted to put forward in the Jewish mystic cult?

LillyPJ · 27/01/2025 18:26

You don't sound convinced that there is a god (spoiler: there probably isn't one, seeing as there's never been any evidence!) so it sounds like you're more interested in hearing interesting stories and nice songs, having an intellectual challenge and meeting people you like. You don't have to pretend to be religious to do any of those things.

Calmomiletea · 29/01/2025 00:51

Kdtym10 · 27/01/2025 06:39

But was it the message of Jesus Christ or was it the message that Paul wanted to put forward in the Jewish mystic cult?

What was the message of Jesus Christ?

Kdtym10 · 29/01/2025 07:32

Calmomiletea · 29/01/2025 00:51

What was the message of Jesus Christ?

That we all have the potential to become Christ /gods . Its right there in the Lords Prayer

Catinabeanbag · 29/01/2025 18:14

Kdtym10 · 29/01/2025 07:32

That we all have the potential to become Christ /gods . Its right there in the Lords Prayer

What have I been missing all these years?

Kdtym10 · 29/01/2025 18:49

Catinabeanbag · 29/01/2025 18:14

What have I been missing all these years?

The obvious 😉

Calmomiletea · 30/01/2025 11:20

Kdtym10 · 29/01/2025 07:32

That we all have the potential to become Christ /gods . Its right there in the Lords Prayer

This was why Satan was cast out of heaven, because his pride told him he could become as God. I think, if you are interested in Spiritual things you should read the Bible. If you are not interested, and are only writing here to hinder someone who is truly seeking God then perhaps you should consider what you are doing.

Kdtym10 · 31/01/2025 15:27

Calmomiletea · 30/01/2025 11:20

This was why Satan was cast out of heaven, because his pride told him he could become as God. I think, if you are interested in Spiritual things you should read the Bible. If you are not interested, and are only writing here to hinder someone who is truly seeking God then perhaps you should consider what you are doing.

Oh I’ve read the bible lol. So which story are we talking about here? Are we discussing Revelation 12? Because there, there’s just a war of unspecified origin when Michael kicked out the devil or Satan who was a dragon/serpent out of heaven to earth.

Or are we discussing Issiah 14:4 et seq which is pretty much a lifting of the Babylonian myth of Ethana and Zu where the morning star fell to earth from Heaven. Because the Jewish people, whose book this is usually interpret that as the fall of the king of Babylon.

i think you might be somehow amalgamating these two stories.

Calmomiletea · 02/02/2025 00:40

Kdtym10 · 31/01/2025 15:27

Oh I’ve read the bible lol. So which story are we talking about here? Are we discussing Revelation 12? Because there, there’s just a war of unspecified origin when Michael kicked out the devil or Satan who was a dragon/serpent out of heaven to earth.

Or are we discussing Issiah 14:4 et seq which is pretty much a lifting of the Babylonian myth of Ethana and Zu where the morning star fell to earth from Heaven. Because the Jewish people, whose book this is usually interpret that as the fall of the king of Babylon.

i think you might be somehow amalgamating these two stories.

Do you know who else had form for misrepresenting Scripture? 'Hath God said'.

Why come on here to intentionally try to mislead people?

'Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word...And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me? He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.'

Kdtym10 · 02/02/2025 07:20

Calmomiletea · 02/02/2025 00:40

Do you know who else had form for misrepresenting Scripture? 'Hath God said'.

Why come on here to intentionally try to mislead people?

'Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word...And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me? He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.'

Sorry, can you show where I hace misrepresented scripture? Are those two quotes not what the bible says? Cab you point out where in the bible it states God threw Satan out of heaven for thinking he was a god like you claimed.

if anyone is’nisleading others here it’s you. Rather than base your argument on scripture you appear to be basing it on a poem by John Milton.

Calmomiletea · 05/02/2025 02:15

Kdtym10 · 02/02/2025 07:20

Sorry, can you show where I hace misrepresented scripture? Are those two quotes not what the bible says? Cab you point out where in the bible it states God threw Satan out of heaven for thinking he was a god like you claimed.

if anyone is’nisleading others here it’s you. Rather than base your argument on scripture you appear to be basing it on a poem by John Milton.

Yet again, you have writted more lies. As I quoted above I will again: 'He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God'. You've made your intentions very clear through your posts - I will not waste my time responding again.

Kdtym10 · 05/02/2025 04:24

Calmomiletea · 05/02/2025 02:15

Yet again, you have writted more lies. As I quoted above I will again: 'He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God'. You've made your intentions very clear through your posts - I will not waste my time responding again.

You say I have written likes, but all I have done is quote the Bible..Are you saying the Bible is full of lies? Unfortunately, this happens quite often, people don’t actually read the Bible in full and rely on second hand reports and think the Bible says something it doesn’t actually say, or rely on poor interpretations from the Hebrew and Greek with little knowledge of how those languages work.

In order to refute my position you need to actually point to bits in the Bible which actually say Satan was thrown out of heaven to hell by God because he lacked humility and thought he was a God. It’s no use writing about what the Bible says about lying - it’s irrelevant because I’m not the one lying or trying to mislead.

My advice to anyone trying to become Christian is acquaint yourself with at least the workings of Hebrew and Greek, acquaint yourself with the contemporary society and the development of Christianity- read non-canonical gospels and practice meditation (of the discursive kind) realise much of the churches teachings. Hace little to do with the actual teachings of Jesus

PlayingDevilsAdvocateisinteresting · 05/02/2025 04:56

Hello @HeroicMinute, I am so pleased to see and hear about your wonderful enthusiasm in finding your place within the Christian Community. You seem to be mainly attracting the right sort of advice from these lovely Mumnetters.

I assume that as I am now a pensioner I am probably - and hopefully - a lot older than you. I say "hopefully" because I think it would be wonderful if you still have most of your adult life ahead of you, and that your brain and heart are open to discovering so many fantastic things about how we as humans act and react, and how underneath all other considerations, love, kindness, empathy, and patience are the assets that all believers, no matter what religion they follow, should have as their foundation stones.

If you have the four basic attributes that I mentioned above - and from reading your OP and some of your subsequent posts - I believe that you do already have those four essentials OP, and that, therefore, Jesus already knows you personally and loves you. As we are human beings, and therefore far from perfect, it doesn't matter too much 'at this stage' if we sometimes also feel hatred, anger, impatient, and an ego that still needs to learn it's place in society.

As I said a short while ago, as humans, we are not perfect. I am not even sure that in our first lifetimes on Earth that we should even strive for perfection, as I imagine that being a perfect human being is probably a place of great solitude and of not being understood by any other human beings, including right up to the Pope, or Anglican Bishops, etc etc etc.

As I believe that you are already a very thoughtful person OP (as in full of thought, and in your case, it also appears to be, at least mostly, a very positve thoughtfulness), your 'jouney' - sorry! - to find the lessons you want to learn, and the people you want to share both the learning and teaching with (as this is definitely not a passive journey), will with some luck, and a lot of prayer/meditation be not quite so difficult as someone's who is starting from scratch.

It will still be a very rocky and hard road to navigate - out of necessity - but one that I think you are very capable of negotiating and ultimately succeeding with. May I just add OP, that in my opinion - humble or otherwise 🤭 - please don't get too worried by instructions that very much come from 'Man' rather than any of the Gods. I personally do not believe that any human beings have accomplished the necessary wisdom to be insisting that any God - but only one Jesus.- has told them directly what the rules of their particular religion should be. If we strive to be: kind, loving, empathetic and patient, then hopefully we won't stray too far from the right path.

I know that I have probably written far too much for you, heroic, or anyone else, to try and read all the way through here, but if you have, you might have been confused by me latterly referring to "Gods". That is because although I was brought up in the Protestant Christian Faith, during my middle aged years, I turned to Neo-Paganism, following a Traditional Witchcraft Path. I can not say much here about why I chose this Path, because Witchcraft itself, is not a Proselytising Religion. However, I think that I may be slightly unusual as I still believe - well actually - as I know with my own certainty, that Jesus was, and is, and will be, the best Human Being, Witch and God, there has ever been. Not all Witches believe in any God, or Jesus.

Please believe in yourself @HeroicMinute and have faith in your choices. I am completely sure that there is not only one road that leads to Jesus, or any God. xxx

horseymum · 05/02/2025 08:05

The best thing to do is to read the Bible, study Jesus' actual words and weigh everything that anyone says in the light of that. Focus on the Gospels initially. Read extended passages, not just isolated verses to get the context. Pray for understanding and discernment.

LostittoBostik · 05/02/2025 08:12

Pinkbonbon · 02/01/2024 20:21

Do you accept christ as your Lord and saviour?
Yes? Great, then you're a Christian. It's really that simple.

The rest of it is simply icing and sprinkles.

I'm not a massive church fan either. Christmas sermons make me feel really uncomfortable for a start. You'd think christ never grew up. It's creepy baby worship.

And lots of the music is just awful, depressing drivel. sometimes when I hear it I think if God is watching, he'll be changing the chanel around now. Maybe to the black gospel churches xD at least those are fun.

I'm not sure if I'm a good Christian. I focus on trying to be a good person. To do good where I can. And sometimes I just have a wee chat with God. Like at night before I sleep. I ask him how he's getting on. Tell him to keep up the good work and not listen to the haters. Talk about my weaknesses and ask for strength to do better.

As for the bible, I freely admit I pick and choose. I believe everyone does. But in my reasoning, it was written by man, and many many years ago. I think it has some great messages and can be a source of hope and comfort for many. But I think it prudent to exercise caution regarding blind faith to every sentiment it holds.

Stick to your ten commandments and do good where you can. Check in with the boss from time to time. Find a minister who seems genuine and kind and not power hungry and narcissistic. Be careful in churches as they can attract both the very good...and the very bad.

If in doubt, think 'what would jesus do' and strive for that. But remember, although he was kind and compassionate he also, was not a pushover and took no shit.

You really ought to know that the bible has multiple authors. It's not one man.

All men, yes, but multiple generations of male authors and revisionists.

The clue's right in there. Some even put their names to chapter. (Even those were authored by legions of blokes)

LostittoBostik · 05/02/2025 08:15

To add in case of confusion, I'm not saying it isn't a source of great wisdom and solace. It is.

MillenialAvocado · 05/02/2025 08:16

As others have said, you can't really "try" to be a Christian as such. It's about having a relationship with God through believing in Jesus's sacrifice. My best advice is to pray regularly- just talk to God as you would a friend. Also reading the Bible regularly, the gospels and psalms are a good place to start. Alpha course is brilliant as well (though this can be church dependent... I did go to a bit of a dodgy one once, but that was to do with the church members rather than the course itself).

alwaysMakingItsofar · 05/02/2025 19:24

Pinkbonbon · 02/01/2024 20:21

Do you accept christ as your Lord and saviour?
Yes? Great, then you're a Christian. It's really that simple.

The rest of it is simply icing and sprinkles.

I'm not a massive church fan either. Christmas sermons make me feel really uncomfortable for a start. You'd think christ never grew up. It's creepy baby worship.

And lots of the music is just awful, depressing drivel. sometimes when I hear it I think if God is watching, he'll be changing the chanel around now. Maybe to the black gospel churches xD at least those are fun.

I'm not sure if I'm a good Christian. I focus on trying to be a good person. To do good where I can. And sometimes I just have a wee chat with God. Like at night before I sleep. I ask him how he's getting on. Tell him to keep up the good work and not listen to the haters. Talk about my weaknesses and ask for strength to do better.

As for the bible, I freely admit I pick and choose. I believe everyone does. But in my reasoning, it was written by man, and many many years ago. I think it has some great messages and can be a source of hope and comfort for many. But I think it prudent to exercise caution regarding blind faith to every sentiment it holds.

Stick to your ten commandments and do good where you can. Check in with the boss from time to time. Find a minister who seems genuine and kind and not power hungry and narcissistic. Be careful in churches as they can attract both the very good...and the very bad.

If in doubt, think 'what would jesus do' and strive for that. But remember, although he was kind and compassionate he also, was not a pushover and took no shit.

Can you be my friend, Pink Bonbon

alwaysMakingItsofar · 05/02/2025 19:30

MillenialAvocado · 05/02/2025 08:16

As others have said, you can't really "try" to be a Christian as such. It's about having a relationship with God through believing in Jesus's sacrifice. My best advice is to pray regularly- just talk to God as you would a friend. Also reading the Bible regularly, the gospels and psalms are a good place to start. Alpha course is brilliant as well (though this can be church dependent... I did go to a bit of a dodgy one once, but that was to do with the church members rather than the course itself).

lol, all the Alpha courses I've been too, were all off. They basically tell you , you can say what you want and when you say something biblical, they shut you down

Kdtym10 · 05/02/2025 19:32

alwaysMakingItsofar · 05/02/2025 19:24

Can you be my friend, Pink Bonbon

The traditional hymns are some of the best boys about church imo. It’s a shame communal singing where nearly everyone in society knows the words has finished so much it has extraordinarily powerful effects both for the individual and society as a whole. I’d like daily hymn singing to be brought back into all schools.

Kdtym10 · 05/02/2025 19:34

alwaysMakingItsofar · 05/02/2025 19:30

lol, all the Alpha courses I've been too, were all off. They basically tell you , you can say what you want and when you say something biblical, they shut you down

I tend to agree with you, I’ve done a couple of Alpha courses. They seem to be largely run by over enthusiastic young people with questionable fashion sense and largely head down the line of being apologetics

LeaningOnTheEverlastingArms · 06/02/2025 18:26

Kdtym10 · 05/02/2025 19:34

I tend to agree with you, I’ve done a couple of Alpha courses. They seem to be largely run by over enthusiastic young people with questionable fashion sense and largely head down the line of being apologetics

Fashion sense? 🤦‍♀️

eyestosee · 07/02/2025 15:05

@Kdtym10, forgive me if I am wrong, but you don't actually describe yourself as a Christian do you? Or do you now?

If I am not mistaken when you have posted previously you have identified yourself more with being Gnostic/ esoteric - and as not in agreement with The Nicene Creed or The Apostles' Creed. You disagree with a large proportion of The New Testament (everything written by Paul). As such your biblical interpretation is somewhat unorthodox. And you have also, if I am not mistaken, talked about practicing ceremonial magic.

So what you believe is not anything like the commonly held beliefs of what is generally understood as mainstream Christianity.(?) This I think is worth pointing out especially as the OP was looking for advice on how to be a Christian...

Kdtym10 · 07/02/2025 15:33

eyestosee · 07/02/2025 15:05

@Kdtym10, forgive me if I am wrong, but you don't actually describe yourself as a Christian do you? Or do you now?

If I am not mistaken when you have posted previously you have identified yourself more with being Gnostic/ esoteric - and as not in agreement with The Nicene Creed or The Apostles' Creed. You disagree with a large proportion of The New Testament (everything written by Paul). As such your biblical interpretation is somewhat unorthodox. And you have also, if I am not mistaken, talked about practicing ceremonial magic.

So what you believe is not anything like the commonly held beliefs of what is generally understood as mainstream Christianity.(?) This I think is worth pointing out especially as the OP was looking for advice on how to be a Christian...

Yes to all those things. But none of that excludes me from being Christian. Empires have sought, often quite some time/centuries after Jesus, to refine his teachings for their own ends. It’s a mistake to think what we now think of as the organised religion(s) of Christianity is the only (or indeed most authentic) way to be a Christian. Often what we now see as Christianity as twisted the Bible. Yes sometimes my interpretation of the Bible is unorthodox, because often the orthodox interpretation is limited by an agenda to support a man made belief system. Often (as above re Satan leaving heaven) religion has obscured the position so that a story many Christians as convinced in the Bible is actually not there.

it must be remembered that the Bible (both the old and New Testament) was never meant to be read by the average person so simple interpretations aren’t to be expected, one must look at the original language, contemporary culture, other competing religions and linguistic plays and tricks in order to understand it.

It depends what you want though from Christianity- a nice group of similar minded souls to share a cuppa with, or to reach union with God.

Kdtym10 · 07/02/2025 15:34

LeaningOnTheEverlastingArms · 06/02/2025 18:26

Fashion sense? 🤦‍♀️

Oh it paints a picture🤣. But more seriously their apologetic stance leads to some questionable views