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Any Witches Here?- Part 19

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speakout · 12/07/2023 17:23

Or Wiccans. or Pagans? Or anyone who is interested in a magical path or feels some magical stirrings.
A place for support, learning, swapping ideas and magical inspiration..
This is the 18th thread- anyone looking for a deep dive into juicy magical topics may like to browse previous threads.....
It is a long list!!
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speakout · 11/10/2023 07:18

Just catching up with the thread- it always moves so quickly.

Hedjwitch I hope you are feeling a bit better today, life can be a bit groundhog day at times, and your feelings are valid.

I am not one for crowds either, I try to avoid busy places if I can,
HillsBesideTheSea you are wise to think of strategies to help. You could create a protection shield or bubble, wear some obsidian.
I tend to limit my time at events, or even shopping in time, have a break or leave before overwhelm. If there is some green space nearby or even just a few trees at the car park then you can have a break, drink some tea and return. You could listen to some calming music or sounds- wear just one earpiece so you can still hear or interact with vendors.

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SeaEssence · 11/10/2023 20:44

@Hedjwitch sending positive energy x

@ISay what a great idea! I'm sure it brings people of similar minds together too. I love libraries, I feel with subscriptions and Audible people forget the option to borrow books for free lately - I love Libby app, I wish it had more witchy books available, they are there but you need to know what you're looking for - maybe if people could share their favourites more or "hire a shelf" it would catch on!

ISaySteadyOn · 12/10/2023 08:42

@speakout , is there something in the air or the moon or about this particular October? Because it has been absolutely awful so far.

EmmaEmerald · 12/10/2023 10:25

ISay I realise that wasn't addressed to me but I hope you are okay.

ISaySteadyOn · 12/10/2023 10:32

I am just unhappy. Every single day since the start of this month has just been rotten. Part of it is the forced immobility due to the bad sprain, part of it is circumstances around the DC schools that aren't anyone's fault (not even the Romans 😉), part of it is the onset of my usual dark time depression, part of it is the wider world. I don't know.

EmmaEmerald · 12/10/2023 10:45

ISay yes, forced immobility is the pits.
I'm feeling the dark too. I got a daytime lamp and I think I broke it while assembling it. 🤦🏽‍♀️ Lacking the energy to sort a repair.

But I am using my SAD lamp, have you got one? I have it on in the background a lot. I used to think they were pointless but I think that's if you use the "20 mins a day" approach.

VioletCharlotte · 12/10/2023 12:12

@ISaySteadyOn sorry you're feeling like this. I'm sure the ankle will be impacting on how you're feeling. We take our mobility for granted don't we, until it's taken away.

There's a lot of planetary stuff going on at the moment, including a solar eclipse. This article that Kirsty Gallagher shared is quite interesting:

I know many of you are experiencing the discomfort at the moment.

The discomfort between who you were and who you’re becoming.

It’s in this discomfort that many of us run back into the “comfort zone” of sabotages or limiting beliefs or collapse our boundaries or forego what we want or who we want to be as it feels too uncomfortable and difficult to get there.

And it is.

Choosing to believe a new thought is uncomfortable, pushing beyond a limiting belief is uncomfortable, facing a fear is uncomfortable, holding a boundary is uncomfortable, doing something differently to what people have expected from you for so long is uncomfortable, saying no is uncomfortable.

But it’s in this discomfort that growth happens, and you become who you’re here to be. There is no growth without discomfort.

Everything happening, especially around these eclipses, is fated and destined and karmic and helping you to grow and evolve even if it feels difficult and sticky.

Don’t rush this process, let it be an unfolding, an evolution, a remembering and a reprograming.

You do know what to do, you do know what these eclipses are asking of you, you do know what changes need to be made and where you need to come out of your comfort zone and be more you - we are just sometimes afraid of this knowing as it forces change and for us to leave the “safety” of our comfort zones.

You have to be willing to leave the comfort zone of the crowd and stop seeking external approval and permission.

You have to let parts of you and your life and relationships die away in order for there to be the space for a rebirth.

It’s time my love. This new moon solar eclipse will ask you to leave behind all that’s no longer serving you and blast you out of your comfort zone, trust it all, your soul knows what you’re capable of ❤️

#eclipseseason #soulgrowth

speakout · 13/10/2023 07:12

Those are wise words VioletCharlotte .

I sought therapy to help me deal with a difficult situation that I was struggling to deal with.

Although the first few months of therapy was focussed a great deal about the problem- me recounting "stories" of what had happened during the week and my responses.
As therapy progressed and we started to peel back the layers I could start to see much deeper into the shadows, revealing important inner workings, looking at shame, dysfunctional mechanisms born in childhood that were no longer serving me.
In the latter half of my therapy my "situation" rarely came up in conversation, instead we dealt with modes of thinking and emotions, uncaging torrents in the therapy room which could be faced, unpicked and challenged.
My therapist would often ask me to sit with the pain, hold the rage or sorrow while we were able to understand the roots, the nature, the motivation of the unpleasant emotion. It was hard, and painful.
And yes VioletCharlotte - very uncomfortable to face our feelings, uncomfortable to enforce our boundaries, but when we do we open up endless possibilities- and huge freedoms.

So although I sought therapy to help me deal with one specific issue, I found myself healing the whole of me, everything in my life has been touched by the healing. My own thinking,my understanding, my emotions and how I see myself, my relationships, my work, my habits. Still a work in progress though, I will probably seek further therapy at some point, but for now I have enough to chew on, as my new neural pathways deeply imbed themselves as default.

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queenrollo · 13/10/2023 07:31

@ISaySteadyOn i am struggling too. I knew this autumn and winter were going to challenge me because I have not had a great year.
I’m on the verge of asking my GP for antidepressants because I can feel myself slipping further down rather than being on a plateau.
@speakout i found therapy so helpful and I need to go back but I have spent a week trying to find a therapist with space and no-one is taking on new clients. I do not want an online therapist as I will be constantly disturbed at home and will never feel comfortable enough to unravel. I also feel there is some power in leaving the energy of the session in a therapy room.

My DS finds put his 11+ results today and a lot of my problems are attached to being tied to schooling him and how that took away everything of my life that was aligned with me as a person.

ISaySteadyOn · 13/10/2023 07:59

You know, it is as though posting here released something. Several positive things happened yesterday. It's not been the best month but things are starting to look up.

I was foolish and did too much on my ankle yesterday so have set my recovery back. DH says he thinks most people do this so not to be too hard on myself.

@queenrollo , sending positive energies for you and your DS whatever the results may be. DD1 tells me that she does want to go to school after all so we will be putting her on the waiting list for the school her friends are at and going from there.

The windy rain I heard in the night seemed to sweep away things.

EmmaEmerald · 13/10/2023 11:10

ISay glad to hear things are looking up.

Re doing too much, the day after removal of cast (broken foot) I did way too much! I was just so thrilled to be moving!

In fact, the actual day the cast was removed, I did too much, easy mistake to make.

I hope the eclipse brings a positive change, things that should move along just fine are so stuck at the moment.

speakout · 13/10/2023 15:29

queenrollo and ISaySteadyOn I am sorry to hear you are struggling.
It is hard to stay afloat sometimes, there is so much doom and conflict around us.
Yes it is hard to find a therapist, even private therapists often have waiting lists and are expensive. And of course the therapist and you have to mesh with each other, often case of trial and error.

There have been lots of challenging astrological events, venus and mercury have been retrograde during the summer, now turned direct.
Retrogrades can often be difficult, and the change in direction can often be felt as a crash emotionally.
There are four other retrograde planets at the moment, and their direct movement won't recommence until christmas.

I found yesterday a struggle, I couldn't shake off my anxiety, and having to deal with HMRC for an hour on the phone.
I was exhausted by tea time, so took some time to nurture myself in the evening. A phone chat with DD, her pragmatic and stable energy is very soothing.
I wrapped myself up in a blanket, drank warm cocoa, and put a hot water bottle in my bed for an early night.

I am feeling much calmer today thankfully.

ISaySteadyOn
You know, it is as though posting here released something.

I do believe we create magic here on this thread, I have watched it manifest many times.
I also have frequent visits from the goddess in all of her guises.

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Probablymagrat · 13/10/2023 18:43

Well I'm back at the house. I miss the sea more than ever now I'm back, but she gifted me a good haul of hag-stones and sea-glass. I just love wandering the shore looking for them, it's a very therapeutic pastime. I found a particularly beautiful large black hagstone, that's going near the front door.

It's a bit big to hang though, it might have to just sit on a shelf. Hopefully quietly emanating protection and good luck!

I'm going to join the 8 O'clock candle meditation tonight, to ground myself after my holiday and to attempt to connect with the house as my home. I will also try to send positivity, healing and strength to all of you that are physically and emotionally hurting, if you don't mind. It sounds like it's been a tough time recently.

Thank you for the astrological insight @speakout and @VioletCharlotte its very interesting. I don't really understand it, so I am glad to have the benefit of your knowledge and you are both very generous to share this on the forum.

Hedjwitch · 13/10/2023 18:52

Been struggling here too. Yoga was a struggle today.
A very chilly sea swim planned for tomorrow. Maybe that will help

speakout · 14/10/2023 08:00

I hope those who are struggling at the moment find some calm over the weekend.
Last night my dreamscape was terrifying and I woke feeling full of fear.
I feel a little sad because I turned down a place a sound bath event on Thursday. It was only a mile away and free. Initially it was full, but the organisers phoned me with a cancellation 2 hours before the event- while I was in the supermarket.
I really struggling with anxiety that day, and - thinking I had no place at the sound bath had planned an evening of cosy for myself.
When the organiser phoned I said I couldn't make it, and now I am kicking myself. It was probably exactly what I needed, but I felt overwhelm about it being so last minute, and turning up to a room of strangers felt too much.
Social anxiety amongst strangers is not me at all. I am normally very comfortable attending events like that, I love to seek out new yoga classes, meditation workshops, alone- here and even abroad on holiday.
I am sad and confused because I have been wanting to attend a soundbath for a long while, and I ended up not going.
I have to trust that in some way it wasn't the right thing for me at that time..

Today is another day, I have Body Balance this morning in a nearby coastal town, so the added advantage of seeing the sea. It is very cold here today, I don't think I will be walking on the beach, but may pop into a local art supply shop and a charity shop for a browse.

I know many will be watching the US eclipse today, I know the media is full of the event- I have been mulling over the astrological impact.
Solar eclipses -partial, total or annular are not particularly rare events, happening several times a year.
Many of them happen over oceans, or sparsely populated areas, or places that don't create much internet noise- Siberia, Micronesia, rural Africa, Antartica, South America.
Today's eclipse over the USA is not particularly "special", but it is happening over a relatively affluent area of the world. So that means much more internet content is generated, media organisations have the capability to create news stories, live feed, video specials, many people will be posting on social media etc.
It will be an incredible event- I witnessed an annular eclipse many years ago and it was very moving.
But it also highlights the fact that other eclipses that happen are rarely mentioned in the media.
The UK won't see it directly, I am not sure what astrological impact it may have on us. But for those in the US who are lucky enough to witness - it will be spectacular. And the heightened energy created by the event will ripple around the world via internet and collective subconcious

I hope we all catch some of the solar magic.

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Sorciere1 · 14/10/2023 12:29

I'm sorry so many here suffer from winter depression. I can recommend St. John's Wort as a fine mild anti-depressive ( but check with a doctor as it has interactions).
I actually adore the dark! I love the night sky; the planets, stars, feeling part of this beautiful world.I feel my creativity blossom. Maybe a libation to Hecate would help...

speakout · 14/10/2023 13:32

Sorciere1 you raise some interesting points.

I know that many of us struggle with low mood, depression and SAD at this time of year -it can be tough.
I cope much better than I used to, and like you Sorciere1 I have grown to appreciate the darker months.
That has been a gradual process over the years.
I know this topic has come up several times on this thread in the past.

Many years ago I had a partner who visited Norway several times a year and he often remarked on the lifestyle changes that people had, and how much they vary depending on the month.
In the summer months with huge amounts of sunlight businesses would stay open for a long working day. Banks and shops would open for 14 hours a day, people seemed to survive on 5 or 6 hours of sleep.
In the winter time the reverse seemed to be the case.
People would sleep for 12 hours a day, businesses open for only 4 or 5 hours.

I remember thinking what a functional way to cope with the seasons, almost like a semi- hibernation, people would slow, rest, keep themselves cosy and warm.

In our society we are expected to carry on as normal, and not only that we feel obliged to make christmas happen. All the expectation, the gift and food shopping, house cleaning, running ourselves ragged in the process.

All that activity is at odds with what our inner self actually needs.
When we find our mood dropping, our appetite for activity lessening then we feel we are to blame.
But in fact a lot of those feelings are natural, we move into introspection and withdrawal, and label these things as depression.
I am not for a second minimising depressive illness- I know that it can be very debilitating and have a profound impact.

But leaning into these feelings, exploring the shadow, giving ourselves permission to feel the way we do and know it is Ok, maybe even "normal" allows us to feel self compassion.

I know the concept of Hygge has become popular in the UK, and is something I welcome and is lovely to apply to self care during the dark months.

Keeping warm, soft blankets, hot drinks can make us feel safe, low lights and candles, the winter months is when I feel drawn to journal more, deity work, divination, tarot reading.

Our ancestors would huddle around a fire, with folk tales and poetry, and we can plug into that feeling if we allow ourselves to slow down.

I keep expectations low, if you celebrate Christmas, Solstice or Yule, we need not strive to make a perfect Martha Stewart production.
A few simple things can add that magic sparkle without the work and pressure.
Be easy with yourself.

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EmmaEmerald · 14/10/2023 14:35

Just to say on St Johns Wort, interactions can be major

including making your contraception FAIL - sorry I'm shouting but this one needs a shout.

I used to have really bad SAD. What helped me - realise not all of this will be possible

  • working at home
  • bright light all day on grey days. The advice to go out in solid grey is very poor and I believe there are a few scientists who debunked it. Outdoor workers suffer with SAD when it's grey all day - don't believe the media hype that a half hour walk in "natural light" will help, when the light is steely grey. If it does help you, great, otherwise, no.
  • SAD lamp twice a day, first thing and then in the afternoon - my afternoon time varies with the natural light.

I have floor to ceiling windows in my current and previous place. (Not something I'd choose but he ho). When the grey is at worst, sometimes I'd pull back the curtains and feel as if the grey outside was just coming in and spreading itself all over the flat. So you might be better keeping the curtains closed and very bright light on, on those days.

I read a great book on SAD - can try to find out the name if anyone wants it - and they pointed out that Scandi decor is light and bright for a reason.

natura · 14/10/2023 14:41

First-timer dropping in here – hello everyone 😊

Does anyone have any recommendations for books on medicinal gardening and plant folklore? Have just begun a small garden here in Spain and am feeling a calling to delve into it over the winter (if you can call what we have here a winter).

I'd love to learn more about both the practicalities of growing (I'm a total beginner!) and the stories and uses of plants, both edible and energetic. And while I know I can research things online, there's just something so much nicer about sitting down with a book...

Sorciere1 · 14/10/2023 18:01

@EmmaEmerald oh wow! thanks for pointing that out. If you can take it, it's very good at stopped the revolving door of negative thoughts.
Speakout; I lived in Ireland for many years and loved visiting my friend in Helsinki in January. Key things; my bedroom and library was decorated in warm colors, Farrow&Ball Terre d'Egypte (terracotta red). Also old fashioned curtains (close them!) thick and velvety, and more warm colors like brown. Having lots of throws and quilts to snuggle in. Hot chocolate or tea in a pretty cup. Also associating the dark with positive things like magic, intuition, your mother's womb...a place of love and nurturing.

EmmaEmerald · 14/10/2023 19:01

Hi natura I have a book called Herbal Medicine, by Anne Kennedy but I must admit I have barely looked at it!

In terms of hoping the solar eclipse shifts things, in most ways, it's been a rotten six months, though I'm balanced enough to see the good things too.

It's six months since I moved here and I'm now rearranging things again. I'm trying to think of it as shifting energy. I do have acceptance now that certain things just won't work here as it's so tiny.

My mood is definitely better as I sort things though there's still tons to do! I have a neighbour popping in for tea tomorrow so at some point, it will be - chuck things in a bag and sling it in the bedroom!

I think a big sort out on a new moon day is a good thing.

HillsBesideTheSea · 14/10/2023 20:03

I guess it depends on what you are looking for @natura . Gardening and growing stuff, even with narrowing down to the magical side is still such a huge topic. It's like saying i want to learn about magic. Nice but which part. Are you looking for Gardening with the moon? Herbs and wild plants for medicine? growing plants for use in spells? Something else? growing with magical intent? Plant allies?

I just tried to look for book titles off the bookcase that i dismanteled yesterday and the books are in storage. dang it, i want my books back already

Fiz Inkwright has two lovely books, stunning hardback but reasonable cost books. They look at the more folkloric and magical uses of some plants. I also really like old wives tales by Mary Chamberlin but that is a very UK specific look at the development of medicine and plant remedies over time. There are a number (I have at least 10, if not more, on this topic) but unfortunately lack of sleep means that i can't recall titles and authors without having the books to hand.

Medicinal gardening wise it is hard to find books specific so with that i would identify plants that you know have medicinal properties and then look them up in a general gardening books. Rosemary Gladstone has a good range of books for the plants and their uses in terms of herbal remedies. i especially like that she has woman's health, kids health and men's health specific books along with the general books

Also i would target local plants. Try to speak to old growers in the local area. Climate will dictate what can be grown and in many place the old timers know of plants that were used locally that were medicinal. Ultimately they will also be easier to grow then northern european plants which are likely to be a struggle for even the most experienced and gifted gardener due to climate. However, if you do feel like heading online there are a lot of channels on youtube that specialist on Southern US heat loving plants that might be happier and easier for you. Eg Hibiscus and passion flower both which have medicinal properties and will be happier in a Spanish climate than a Scotish one.

Personally i will be delving into a book on companion planting, and another on composting. What is more magical than turning "waste" into the nutrient dense life giving matter that is compost. And the ability of pairing plants for increasing yield to reduce chemical intervention and pest pressure issues kinda also seems magical to me.

Have you any further thoughts for narrowing of focus for now? or did i just overwhelm you with questions sorry about that Do shout again towards the end of the year if you need more suggestions when hopefully this blasted building work will be done and i can have proper access to my beautiful library of books.

ISaySteadyOn · 15/10/2023 06:45

@natura, welcome 🤗.

DH bought me this book and I am finding its encyclopedic nature really helpful in clarifying what path I would like to tread.

Hope that helps a little bit.

I am feeling excited because today, at long last, my ankle is well enough to garden properly and I am going to transplant my rosemary. I am proud of it because I grew it from seed and it is growing well. It needs more space so I am giving it the biggest pot by our front door. If I am lucky, it will grow into a small shrub. So if everyone could send positive growing energies my way that would be great.

I hope you all have lovely Sundays.

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speakout · 15/10/2023 08:06

ISaySteadyOn I am so glad to here your ankle is improved enough to garden.
I hope today's new moon brings fresh energy to you..

The first overnight frost has arrived here, no option but to turn on my heating today!
My DD is coming over for lunch and is cutting and touching up my roots for me- a lovely treat. Salon prices are so expensive, and although she has no training does a really good job.
I have an intermediate yoga class this morning, usually a small group, so lots of attention.
I a very blessed to have yoga classes near to me, just a short drive, and membership prices are low- it's a local authority gym, classes work out at £1.40 each.

I am interested if any of you use ritual or routine in your daily life? Magical or Muggle.

As I grow older increasingly I find habits help calm my mind, set intention and give me a sense of familiartity and safety. Some structure that allows your brain to coast or to be challenged.
Maybe a morning routine, or some actions done at a special place.

Some may be practical - a morning routine may be to make a tea, feed an animal, we may choose certain drinks at certain times of day. And the magical ones too of course- how do small enchanted rituals work themselves into your day? Do you carry a charged crystal, pull a daily Oracle card? Use candles at certain times?

I would love to hear if others have routines like these to promote well being.
I do lots of things on a daily or weekly basis- many of my actions are both practical and magical at the same time. It would be impossible to tear apart.

Having said that I am off for a warming shower, then come back to fold clothes- a job I used to dislike a lot, but have grown to enjoy. A scented candle and music or affirmations are an essential part of my laundry folding!

Enjoy an enchanted Sunday sisters.

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