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Any Witches Here?- Part 18

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speakout · 11/01/2023 20:19

Or Wiccans. or Pagans? Or anyone who is interested in a magical path or feels some magical stirrings.
A place for support, learning, swapping ideas and magical inspiration..
This is the 17th thread- anyone looking for a deep dive into juicy magical topics may like to browse previous threads.....
It is a long list!!
Part 1 //www.mumsnet.com/Talk/philosophy_religion_spirituality/3241689-Any-witches-here?pg=1
Part 2
//www.mumsnet.com/Talk/philosophy_religion_spirituality/3338025-Any-Witches-Here-Part-2?pg=1
Part 3
//www.mumsnet.com/Talk/philosophy_religion_spirituality/3366411-Any-Witches-Here-Part-3?pg=1
Part 4
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Part5
//www.mumsnet.com/Talk/philosophy_religion_spirituality/3437092-Any-Witches-Here-Part-5?pg=1
Part 6 //www.mumsnet.com/Talk/philosophy_religion_spirituality/3482023-Any-Witches-Here-Part-6?pg=1
Part 7 //www.mumsnet.com/Talk/philosophy_religion_spirituality/3520269-Any-Witches-Here-Part-7?pg=1
Part 8 //www.mumsnet.com/Talk/philosophy_religion_spirituality/a3568622-Any-Witches-Here-Part-8?pg=1
Part 9 //www.mumsnet.com/Talk/philosophy_religion_spirituality/3637696-Any-Witches-Here-Part-9?pg=1
Part 10
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Part 11
//www.mumsnet.com/Talk/philosophy_religion_spirituality/3850635-Any-Witches-Here-Part-11
Part 12
//www.mumsnet.com/Talk/philosophy_religion_spirituality/3997761-Any-Witches-Here-Part-12
Part 13 //www.mumsnet.com/Talk/philosophy_religion_spirituality/4116107-Any-Witches-here-Part-13
Part 14www.mumsnet.com/Talk/philosophy_religion_spirituality/4213962-Any-Witches-Here-Part-14
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HillsBesideTheSea · 22/06/2023 19:30

Meant to add it is pocket full of treasure season. Which makes me happy.
Go for a walk and come back with treasures. Pine cones, rose petals etc etc.

Nature is an amazing blessing

EmmaEmerald · 22/06/2023 20:13

Violet I don't think it sounds awful at all. We are all limited in what we can do to help. Sometimes we are not in a position to help and sometimes people aren't in a position to receive it. It's old oxygen mask adage again.

speakout is it possible that knee just needs a bit more stretching or mobility work?

Hills I looked up cleavers as I struggled to shake off winter but the diuretic effect concerned me a bit.

BeautifulDayintheneighbourhood · 22/06/2023 20:24

Hedjwitch · 20/06/2023 20:58

Good evening sisters. Been a bit missing in action for various reasons but trying to catch up. I will be remembering our murdered sisters tomorrow at the Solstice and honouring them.

On the herb front very busy as the greenhouse switches from.propagation to drying plants and infusing oils. Yarrow,rosemary and rose oil all infusing,with calendula still to get under way. Tincture of rosemary now strained and bottled,and tincture of witch hazel nearly ready.
Made chickweed oil for the first time and my brother is testing it on his eczema elbows for me!
Cornflowers drying for soothing eye bags,and lovely chamomile drying for teas and ointments.
Sage and thyme cough syrup all gone so need to make more before winter. Will pick and dry hyssop soon too, excellent for coughs.
Its hard work being a hedgewitch!

I really wish you lived near me and could teach me all those things!

Craftycorvid · 23/06/2023 07:08

Good morning, all! It feels so connected to the natural world to read of the ways you all work with body awareness and movement, or plants, in such thoughtful ways. Some days it’s hard to stay hopeful in the world, so I’m glad this corner of the internet exists.

It’s murky and dull here today, but still warm. Found some wonderful summer joy in our city park yesterday, though, as the rose garden is just rampant! Not that it’s a rose, but I’m going to try and add a photo’ I took yesterday.

Any Witches Here?- Part 18
speakout · 23/06/2023 07:18

Good morning, friends.
It's a cool fresh overcast day here, light rain forecast for later, the garden needs it, so welcome.
I am really enjoying Witch on radio 4, 3rd episode was a bit harrowing, but lots of new perspectives and information I hadn't considered myself.
I'm taking it slowly, on episode 6, I want to take time to digest, and making notes for myself on further research.
I was interested in the quantum entanglement theory which was awarded a nobel prize last year, also nicknamed " spooky action at a distance".
I trained as a scientist, and worked for a decade in cutting edge research. During that time I was also very active in my magical path, spellwork in particular.
I didn't - and still don't have any issue with my logical view of the world and my magical one and still don't see a conflict.

Most of my colleagues were atheists, practically minded, fiercely logical, but even then would admit there were happenings in the laboratory that flew in the face of logic. They were accepted as weird phenomena, and jokes would be made because they were beyond scientific understanding.
My partner at the time, also a chemist, but working on a different project was employed to synthesise and develop new synthetic routes for pharmaceutical companies- projects like that are often farmed out like that to universities who have the equipment and expertise.
There are often several or many groups working on the same development work world wide, it is a bit of a race, the pharma that is first then takes the rights and the cash.
When building new molecules the chemical is often needed in a crystal form to enable certain types of analysis, but growing crystals from their solution is not always easy, and can take time.
However- and this is the interesting bit- new or novel crystals can be stubborn, can take months to grow, different methods and constant checking is needed.
There may be 20 groups worldwide at any one time all waiting for the same novel chemical to develop into a crystal.
However when one laboratory makes the announcement, the others all fall into line- crystals bloom all at the same time, all over the world, within hours.

My partner would often get a phone call in the middle of the night -jump out of bed at 3am pulling on his clothes saying "Tokyo have it" or " Standford have growth"
jump onto his bicycle and head to work knowing that after months of waiting he would probably have crystal growth.
It was an accepted oddity within that small world, scientists would meet at international seminars and symposia - joke and freely talk about these strange an unexplainable occurrences.
All made perfect sense to me as a witch!

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OfTheNight · 23/06/2023 07:50

Just wanted to check in, I last spoke on the thread months ago, but I always convince myself not to contribute! I don’t know why, I’m a terrible self doubter.

I am an avid reader of the thread, though and I just wanted to thank you all for continually inspiring me on my spiritual journey.

I don’t know if this has been mentioned before but a really good historical podcast is this one https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/brand/p07rn38z?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile

I’m probably very late to the party recommending it. It can be difficult to listen to in places, but it is a powerful insight to the traumatic experiences of the Scottish witches persecuted by James VI.

I hope it’s ok for me to have posted. Blessings to you all.

BBC Sounds - Witch Hunt - Available Episodes

Listen to the latest episodes of Witch Hunt on BBC Sounds

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/brand/p07rn38z?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile

BeautifulDayintheneighbourhood · 23/06/2023 08:04

speakout · 23/06/2023 07:18

Good morning, friends.
It's a cool fresh overcast day here, light rain forecast for later, the garden needs it, so welcome.
I am really enjoying Witch on radio 4, 3rd episode was a bit harrowing, but lots of new perspectives and information I hadn't considered myself.
I'm taking it slowly, on episode 6, I want to take time to digest, and making notes for myself on further research.
I was interested in the quantum entanglement theory which was awarded a nobel prize last year, also nicknamed " spooky action at a distance".
I trained as a scientist, and worked for a decade in cutting edge research. During that time I was also very active in my magical path, spellwork in particular.
I didn't - and still don't have any issue with my logical view of the world and my magical one and still don't see a conflict.

Most of my colleagues were atheists, practically minded, fiercely logical, but even then would admit there were happenings in the laboratory that flew in the face of logic. They were accepted as weird phenomena, and jokes would be made because they were beyond scientific understanding.
My partner at the time, also a chemist, but working on a different project was employed to synthesise and develop new synthetic routes for pharmaceutical companies- projects like that are often farmed out like that to universities who have the equipment and expertise.
There are often several or many groups working on the same development work world wide, it is a bit of a race, the pharma that is first then takes the rights and the cash.
When building new molecules the chemical is often needed in a crystal form to enable certain types of analysis, but growing crystals from their solution is not always easy, and can take time.
However- and this is the interesting bit- new or novel crystals can be stubborn, can take months to grow, different methods and constant checking is needed.
There may be 20 groups worldwide at any one time all waiting for the same novel chemical to develop into a crystal.
However when one laboratory makes the announcement, the others all fall into line- crystals bloom all at the same time, all over the world, within hours.

My partner would often get a phone call in the middle of the night -jump out of bed at 3am pulling on his clothes saying "Tokyo have it" or " Standford have growth"
jump onto his bicycle and head to work knowing that after months of waiting he would probably have crystal growth.
It was an accepted oddity within that small world, scientists would meet at international seminars and symposia - joke and freely talk about these strange an unexplainable occurrences.
All made perfect sense to me as a witch!

Wow! That’s really so fascinating. Thanks for sharing that insight into how scientists work on these things. I wonder what your partner made of you being a witch out of curiosity?

speakout · 23/06/2023 09:25

Glad to have you back OfTheNight, you are welcome no matter how often you post. We have no attendance rules, and no one in charge even if we did want them! Thanks for the link, I'm not sure if I have listened to that, but we have lots of new friends joining us here frequently- so I am sure it will be interesting to many of us.
A beautiful photo Craftycorvid , is that a clematis? I noticed mine starting to bloom by my back gate a few days ago. It has needed extra watering these past few weeks as it is in a dry spot, but has rewarded me with lots of flowers.

BeautifulDayintheneighbourhood my ex was very open minded- despite being a serious academic and researcher, he readily accepted that we don't have a deep understanding of our universe, that we still have a great deal to learn.
My partner was also very interested ancient religions, geomancers and alchemists, loved visiting temples and sites in far flung and exotic places, ( we travelled a lot together) was inspired by Rupert Sheldrake and Alexander Shulgin- and also a bit of a psychonaut which gave him glimpses into the secret inner workings of the universe. He happily accepted my magical practices, Tarot work etc, and although wasn't strictly on a magical path he did consider himself a bit of an alchemist!

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Hoolahoophop · 23/06/2023 10:01

@speakout I'm really encouraged to hear that you have a scientific background. I trained in sciences as well, though gave up the path of research when a more local and lucrative alternative presented itself.

But I have always questioned how my very proud scientific side can sit so closely with my interest in the paranormal, magic, fae and something more besides what we know to be rationally explained. Its like being permission to love both sides of me.

Fashiontatts · 23/06/2023 10:40

Another one here with a background science, albeit in health and life sciences...

As much as from a "professional" perspective I view myself as someone who is analytical, logical and pragmatic... there are undeniably things that occur which are beyond scientific explanation.

I have a fair bit of experience working within a palliative care/end of life setting within medicine... and if anything was to confirm "spirituality" to me in any form, it is working with those close to death. Whatever people's personal beliefs, or indeed those with no beliefs, there are things which they or staff have witnessed or experienced which is simply beyond human comprehension or explanation... and I think that's absolutely wonderful ✨

HillsBesideTheSea · 23/06/2023 11:21

The crystal thing makes perfect sense to me. Especially in light of the animal experiences where one side of the world they trained a thing and on the other they just did it much quicker. If animals can learn that way, why wouldn't crystals grow that way.

I should get out in the garden. I need to tame and work on the house and do a load of admin. Mostly i want to just sleep and do nothing now that the big stress is done and i can focus on the little stresses.

Hedjwitch · 23/06/2023 11:35

@hoopla

I have tons of books but if you're just starting out( and I'm still a beginner myself) these were the ones I found most helpful and still use all the time.
Encyclopedia of Herbal Medicine by Andrew Chevallier. A Dorling Kindersley book which is jam packed with information. This is a great way to get started. Really recommend.

The Garden Apothecary by Chrstine Iverson. Very simple recipes and an easy read. Have made a lot out of this book.

The Herbal Apothecary by JJ Pursell. An American book so not all the plants grow here,but again I use this one a lot. Detailed instructions on many different types of prepartions.

Medicinal Herbs by Rosemary Gladstar. Havent had this one long and wish I'd had it earlier. American again but this author is a herbalist go to and hugely respected. An excellent book.

HillsBesideTheSea · 23/06/2023 13:19

I have a lot of Rosemary Gladster books, she has some which do herbal stuff specifically for woman's health. I haven't had the time to read them properly unfortunately but they are high on my to be read list. There are a few more i would like to add to my collection at some point.

BeautifulDayintheneighbourhood · 23/06/2023 13:28

Fashiontatts · 23/06/2023 10:40

Another one here with a background science, albeit in health and life sciences...

As much as from a "professional" perspective I view myself as someone who is analytical, logical and pragmatic... there are undeniably things that occur which are beyond scientific explanation.

I have a fair bit of experience working within a palliative care/end of life setting within medicine... and if anything was to confirm "spirituality" to me in any form, it is working with those close to death. Whatever people's personal beliefs, or indeed those with no beliefs, there are things which they or staff have witnessed or experienced which is simply beyond human comprehension or explanation... and I think that's absolutely wonderful ✨

I’d love to know more! Please tell us about some of the things you’ve seen or heard.

BeautifulDayintheneighbourhood · 23/06/2023 13:31

speakout · 23/06/2023 09:25

Glad to have you back OfTheNight, you are welcome no matter how often you post. We have no attendance rules, and no one in charge even if we did want them! Thanks for the link, I'm not sure if I have listened to that, but we have lots of new friends joining us here frequently- so I am sure it will be interesting to many of us.
A beautiful photo Craftycorvid , is that a clematis? I noticed mine starting to bloom by my back gate a few days ago. It has needed extra watering these past few weeks as it is in a dry spot, but has rewarded me with lots of flowers.

BeautifulDayintheneighbourhood my ex was very open minded- despite being a serious academic and researcher, he readily accepted that we don't have a deep understanding of our universe, that we still have a great deal to learn.
My partner was also very interested ancient religions, geomancers and alchemists, loved visiting temples and sites in far flung and exotic places, ( we travelled a lot together) was inspired by Rupert Sheldrake and Alexander Shulgin- and also a bit of a psychonaut which gave him glimpses into the secret inner workings of the universe. He happily accepted my magical practices, Tarot work etc, and although wasn't strictly on a magical path he did consider himself a bit of an alchemist!

Wow speakout! What a special person he sounds.

speakout · 23/06/2023 13:45

I too find the area between scientific and magical understanding very interesting, and exciting too Hoolahoopho, and have had many mental tussles over the past few decades.
I am a scientist, an atheist and a witch.
My magical path does not prevent me from looking at the world with scientific rigour, and my atheism does not prevent me from working with deity.
It is so interesting to hear of your experiences too Fashiontatts, I can imagine that these seemingly impossible phenomena pop up in many areas of science and medicine.
There seems to be a dichotomy between science and magic, but I have reached a place where I have squared the circle - apart from a few loose ends I mull over from time to time.
Scientific method gives us a great deal, life saving drugs, internet, a deep understanding from a certain perspective, has brought prosperity, but also brought many problems to the world. Pollution, nuclear weapons, toxins into life cycles. Magic was once the best "science" we had, but "progress" opened up a split, magic was bebunked, left in the hands of women mostly and all the so called "woo" ( I so dislike that word) dismissed.

I fear in the light of "progress" we are throwing out the baby with the bathwater. There is a lot of power in traditional magical or folklore practices, the power of the Chi, the understanding of the relationship between our mind and body, and the unspoken glue that holds communities together, the energies that exist to maintain the fabric of the universe.
There are dangers within the magical community and its practices. There are many charletans, there are no regulations, we have few ways of protecting the vulnerable, and modern day medicine should always be the first port of call for anything serious. But that isn't to say complementary medicine does not have its place. Who doesn't feel the power of spoken words, the healing energy of touch.
In my early teens I was very excited to start learning about science at school. My father was a physicist, and we had many long conversations about my subject learning, his work, Einstein, astronomy, nuclear processes.

Around this time I remember being struck by the fact that all we perceive as matter- the table, the walls, even ourselves are in fact empty space. What we see as hard and substantial is not - 99.99% of every atom is empty space. That really captured my imagination.

The recent advances in quantum physics has shown the world, the universe, to be a much stranger and unpredictable place that many thought.
That time and space can be bent, there can be a time when time doesn't exist, that something can be in two places at the same time, that we have worm holes which join up far distant parts of our universe. That "dark " matter, the unseen is the largest component of our universe, string theory tells us the universe isn't composed of matter anyway, just ribbons of energy.

When we read about the advances in particle and quantum science we are taken down a rabbit hole, where all rules and bets are off.

I think this is the place where science and magic merge, like Kekule's snake eating its tail, ultimately they merge and come together and the dissonance disappears.

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speakout · 23/06/2023 13:50

BeautifulDayintheneighbourhood yes my ex was quite special, but is an ex for a reason. He flew too close to the sun, self absorbed to dysfunctional levels and was controlling. Despite my feelings for him I was being consumed in the relationship and was experiencing harm.

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Hoolahoophop · 23/06/2023 14:05

@Hedjwitch thanks so much for the recommendations. I will order them all from the library and see which I get on with best. I did a little searching of my book shelves last night and have the Grow your own drugs book by James Wong and some plant and herb identification books as well as some foraging books. (I forgot I had a Ray Mears one from which I made the most disgusting haw berry leather type strips!). Time to actually start reading and practicing some of the things that interest me.

QueenHippolyta · 23/06/2023 15:58

@speakout how interesting you a magical practitioner and an atheist. I'm a Greco-Roman pagan and witch.
Do you see magical power as akin to energy; and we're all made of it.
I do worship Hecate, Diana, and see her as my patron making those paths more efficacious. But I worship other deities for wisdom and read philosophy for prudence and direction.

speakout · 23/06/2023 16:47

QueenHippolyta, yes I do see magic as energy, it flows through us and around us, in a flux, a little as Spinoza describes, or animism.

If someone asks if I believe in god then the most accurate answer I can give is no, I am an atheist.
Which isn't strictly true.
Living in this culture the meaning of " God" has many implications.
A god who created us, who judges us, who oversees us, who has a master plan for us, a petulant god who needs worship and can smite us.
In my view such a god -if he existed - doesn't deserve to be worshipped.
I do work with deity, including the Greco-Roman pantheon, but I use them as archetypes, as schema, as a way to gain insight and invoke energy.
They are me and I am them, so the word worship doesn't really fit into my structure.
I have a big problem with authority- especially patriarchial structures, the idea of a god on high holding power over me sits like a fur ball in my throat.

I love the gesture and meaning of Namaste- which means I honour the divine within you and I honour the divine within myself.

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EmmaEmerald · 23/06/2023 17:47

Really interesting discussions
I connect with Hecate too.

I'm interested to know of anyone's thoughts on karma?

Hedjwitch · 23/06/2023 17:59

As a former Roman Catholic,I no longer worship any deity. I give thanks to the Goddess,The Green Man and the spirits in the stones,the trees and the ocean.But worship,no. A God who needs co stantly placating is not for me.
On the subject of energies I am currently learning a lot from a new friend,a former druid. He is helping me connect to the shared energy in the herbs I grow and how to align my energies with theirs and tap into the stored knowledge of our ancestors. All very intetesting

speakout · 23/06/2023 18:41

Hedjwitch - "A God who needs constantly placating is not for me."

I admire your courage in breaking free from the church and having such an open minded outlook. It is no mean feat when we have been subjected to childhood religious indoctrination. Churches realise the importance of moulding the minds of children- it becomes very hard to break free, those messages are set hard into the wiring. Your new path sounds very healing and enlightening.

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Hedjwitch · 23/06/2023 20:08

Thank you speakout. I appreciate that.
Absolutely indoctrinated as a child..Mass,confession,the works. I am.sad I then inflicted it on my children,for a while at least as that was all I knew. None of them are church goers now and I'm ok with that.
I dont disrespect those who do Believe. My mother's faith is a comfort to her and thats a good thing. But its not where I am comfortable.
Give me a fire,and my bare feet on the earth, or on a beach in a storm,or the woods in the rain..and that is my "church" and where I absorb the energies around me.
I regret so many years wasted before I found my true path. But am happy to be on it now.
Today have picked more chamomile to dry,and ground the dried yarrow into a powder. Very effective in stopping bleeding. Don't know if it would stop the blood of Christ tho.....

Any Witches Here?- Part 18
speakout · 23/06/2023 20:36

Give me a fire,and my bare feet on the earth, or on a beach in a storm,or the woods in the rain..and that is my "church" and where I absorb the energies around me.

So profound Hedjwitch, and a reminder that we are part of an intricate ecosystem of natural cycles, growth, birth, decay, that have existed for millions of years before the arrival of humans and will exist millions of years after our demise.
Our success as a species will ultimately depend on our acceptance that we have no god given right to primacy or dominion, but are part of a living network.

I love your mortar and pestle!

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