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Any Witches Here?- Part 17.

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speakout · 26/07/2022 16:37

Or Wiccans. or Pagans? Or anyone who is interested in a magical path or feels some magical stirrings.
A place for support, learning, swapping ideas and magical inspiration..
This is the 17th thread- anyone looking for a deep dive into juicy magical topics may like to browse previous threads.....

It is a long list!!

Part 1 //www.mumsnet.com/Talk/philosophy_religion_spirituality/3241689-Any-witches-here?pg=1
Part 2
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Part 3
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Part 4
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Part5
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Part 6 //www.mumsnet.com/Talk/philosophy_religion_spirituality/3482023-Any-Witches-Here-Part-6?pg=1
Part 7 //www.mumsnet.com/Talk/philosophy_religion_spirituality/3520269-Any-Witches-Here-Part-7?pg=1
Part 8 //www.mumsnet.com/Talk/philosophy_religion_spirituality/a3568622-Any-Witches-Here-Part-8?pg=1
Part 9 //www.mumsnet.com/Talk/philosophy_religion_spirituality/3637696-Any-Witches-Here-Part-9?pg=1
Part 10
//www.mumsnet.com/Talk/philosophy_religion_spirituality/3726266-Any-Witches-Here-Part-10
Part 11
//www.mumsnet.com/Talk/philosophy_religion_spirituality/3850635-Any-Witches-Here-Part-11
Part 12
//www.mumsnet.com/Talk/philosophy_religion_spirituality/3997761-Any-Witches-Here-Part-12
Part 13 //www.mumsnet.com/Talk/philosophy_religion_spirituality/4116107-Any-Witches-here-Part-13
Part 14www.mumsnet.com/Talk/philosophy_religion_spirituality/4213962-Any-Witches-Here-Part-14
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HillsBesideTheSea · 14/11/2022 10:30

Be cautious of the prolific authors who are not what they seem, the contents not the best or borrowed from other sources, and basically there for profiteering from the fact that witch craft has become significantly more profitable in recent years by less scrupulous publishing houses.

Troy books have a lot of specialist regional UK tradition books. You can get them on amazon as well as directly through the publisher. If you got through the publisher you can get posh special additions or just the basic paperback.
Troy books' current catalogue, this changes as is up dated and other books available from other sources
I have a number of their books on my wish list.

HillsBesideTheSea · 14/11/2022 10:41

Sorry hit post too soon (fb line break vs mn post keyboard hot key issue)

I particularly am interesting in the Gemma Gary books, and the Nigel G Pearson books and find the ones i have in my collection detailed but very approachable.
Also impatiently waiting for the 3 book in Corinne Boyer's series, but know the level of research requires time.

I need to up-date my list of publishers. Any one got any favourite publishing houses for research. Some of the one's on my list are no longer in existence and it have been too long since I last undertook this process. I know that now that Christopher Penczak has set up his own publishing house and is re-issuing up dated and heavily modified versions of books originally published under Llewellyn. And there are some interesting new companies popping up in Canada. But always looking for more publishers to deep dive their catalogues of books and specialism. Any suggestions?

speakout · 14/11/2022 10:44

HillsBesideTheSea I agree, I don't hold much value in many of the mainstream popular witchcraft books.
Same old, same old stuff mindlessly regurgitated and copied from other sources- some of which I can regognise from teenage mags in the 1970s.
Usually some pretty pictures of crystals and incense smoke, but no real hardcore or thought provoking stuff.
There are tons of these books- all saying the same old stuff.

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HillsBesideTheSea · 14/11/2022 10:51

I have to admit that it is why i like the academic publishings on the matter because it is well research, often new information and i know i am going to learn something. But it is heavy going and sometimes it is nice to just get an easier read.

Mostly i want my books to be jumping off points so they have GOT to have a detailed bibliography so i can find more books on aspects that catch my interest when reading it.

speakout · 14/11/2022 13:11

Agreed again HillsBesideTheSea- academic books are good, but I don't always have the appetite for a great dense tome.
I do a lot of research online these days- the internet is such an amazing tool. People can self publish their thoughts easily, searches can be as deep or wide as you like. Yes there is a lot to sift through, but the same is true of published books.
I also love the ability to chat to like minds online.

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womanofthemoon · 14/11/2022 13:56

HillsBesideTheSea · 14/11/2022 10:30

Be cautious of the prolific authors who are not what they seem, the contents not the best or borrowed from other sources, and basically there for profiteering from the fact that witch craft has become significantly more profitable in recent years by less scrupulous publishing houses.

Troy books have a lot of specialist regional UK tradition books. You can get them on amazon as well as directly through the publisher. If you got through the publisher you can get posh special additions or just the basic paperback.
Troy books' current catalogue, this changes as is up dated and other books available from other sources
I have a number of their books on my wish list.

Thank you for this link…although I’m afraid it has created quite a dent in my bank account. There’s so many interesting books there

takemetomars · 14/11/2022 17:21

@HillsBesideTheSea - does your warning include Lisa Chamberlain?

Elphame · 14/11/2022 18:53

Lisa Chamberlain is actually genuine if very much in the wiccan mould. Once you've read one of these you have pretty much read them all....

I agree with @HillsBesideTheSea about Troy books but it really does depend on your interests.

It's now rare for me to buy a witchcraft book - I am much more likely to pick one up on folklore & mythology, history or herbalism

womanofthemoon · 14/11/2022 20:07

Elphame · 14/11/2022 18:53

Lisa Chamberlain is actually genuine if very much in the wiccan mould. Once you've read one of these you have pretty much read them all....

I agree with @HillsBesideTheSea about Troy books but it really does depend on your interests.

It's now rare for me to buy a witchcraft book - I am much more likely to pick one up on folklore & mythology, history or herbalism

Do you have any recommendations for herbalism books? It’s something I’ve wanted to get into

dementedma · 14/11/2022 20:14

I am very much a hedgewitch or green witch. Hugely interested in the living world particularly medicinal herbs with which I make teas and oils. I book I found mind-blowing was Merlin Sheldrake's Entangled Life about fungi. So much we just dont understand about the world around us and the power of plants.

dementedma · 14/11/2022 20:17

@ elphame, i have many from Culpeper to modern day. The one I find most useful is The Herbal Apothecary by JJ Pursell. Its a very good starter which explains things clearly.

Elphame · 14/11/2022 20:49

I have so many! A lot of those in print are mostly coffee table books - lots of pretty pictures but very light on actual content.

For magical purposes I love Culpepper and to a lesser extent Mrs Grieve. I would use neither of them medicinally for obvious reasons but for magical uses they are great.

I also have a strong preference for using plants I either grow myself or grow near me (at a push I'll extend that to grows in the UK). For example I dislike white sage and will always substitute it for bramble or mugwort.

I find most of the books written for the witchcraft/neopagan market are very heavily North American based which knocks out a lot of their usefulness for me and the herbal sections usually range from poor to downright dangerous.

If I am using any herb I'm going to ingest or rub on my skin then I want an up to date herbal endorsed by one of the professional herbalist bodies. My current favourite is from the National Institute of Medical Herbalists "Herbal Medication". It does read like a biochem text book in places! Nathaniel Hughes "Intuitive Herbalism" is a lot more accessible. Look for authors that have recognised qualifications from the big herbalist societies.

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 14/11/2022 21:14

I've seen some of the sham authors who plagiarise from numerous other works. There are a lot out there. @HillsBesideTheSea the link you posted looks interesting, and there's such a detailed knowledge of herbalism here too. This is one area I've yet to visit because you need to be very well-informed about what you're doing and right now, I'm far from up to that. @Elphame I'm interested that you don't like white sage. I read that sage smudging is a closed Native American practice so have taken to using rosemary or incense instead. Mugwort is a good recommendation though, so thanks for that (and your knowledge sounds phenomenal).

As to reading, I'm trying to wade my way through two hefty tomes on Spinoza's religion and Jung's Psychological Types, which is interesting on the subject of symbolism. These are pretty heavy going but as it happens are required reading for an article I'm currently working on. But it's nice when a writing project can occasionally overlap with more personal interests.

@dementedma - I hope you're feeling better now, ditto @speakout and everyone else who has been unwell.

womanofthemoon · 14/11/2022 21:33

Elphame · 14/11/2022 20:49

I have so many! A lot of those in print are mostly coffee table books - lots of pretty pictures but very light on actual content.

For magical purposes I love Culpepper and to a lesser extent Mrs Grieve. I would use neither of them medicinally for obvious reasons but for magical uses they are great.

I also have a strong preference for using plants I either grow myself or grow near me (at a push I'll extend that to grows in the UK). For example I dislike white sage and will always substitute it for bramble or mugwort.

I find most of the books written for the witchcraft/neopagan market are very heavily North American based which knocks out a lot of their usefulness for me and the herbal sections usually range from poor to downright dangerous.

If I am using any herb I'm going to ingest or rub on my skin then I want an up to date herbal endorsed by one of the professional herbalist bodies. My current favourite is from the National Institute of Medical Herbalists "Herbal Medication". It does read like a biochem text book in places! Nathaniel Hughes "Intuitive Herbalism" is a lot more accessible. Look for authors that have recognised qualifications from the big herbalist societies.

Thank you so much. I’ll have a look at your recommendations :)

HillsBesideTheSea · 14/11/2022 22:42

One thing i will recommend is a good reference book on what systems and organs the herbs act on. I have come across books that have simplified things to the point it could be dangerous. Example info given was "works on the thyroid" but did not clarify it it stimulates or reduces the action of the thyroid; which is a very critical piece of information. I have also seen books that get this wrong so the ability to cross reference is very very useful. Especially if you are intended to take herbs at medicinal level by ingestion.
Also know your contraindications - specifically any meds you take because that is going to influence your options. Eg if you are on the pill there is herbs that will cancel it out. Also St johns wort is not recommended if you take one of a whole massive heap of very different meds.

Right now i am delving down a different line in connection to herbalism and that is food is medicine and this book is being ordered this week nourishing traditions

I try not to be drawn on my opinions on a specific author although there is one specific one that is incredibly problematic and subversively far right that i hold very strong opinions on, but even then i will not name and shame so just be aware in the Norse traditions and books this is a sub-context you have to watch for Even in a bad book there are often a hidden nugget that is helpful; but as pointed out by someone wiser than I - it helps to understand what draws people into the community because that will influence their approach when interacting with the community. The book that drew me in is incredibly problematic in its history of witch craft section and often hated as a whole but there is some very strong workings in it and was actually the tradition that drew Christopher Penczak into the community which is interesting to see that journey from the tradition to his temple books and his whole coven setup. But you would be hard put to find a newer witch talking about the interactions between the particle physics world and magic. It is simply not in the modern books. And thus my standards for a good book and author are influenced by the quality of information that drew me into the community, and a lot of modern more accessible books are not what I am looking for.

But do be aware that genuine wiccans and witches have been caught in the push for publications for profit, and that sometimes their work is changed to meet the demands of the publisher rather than be the work that they would have wished to put out. There has actually been a reasonable amount of discussion on this in the corners of youtube i hide in. Which is one of the reasons i focus on publishers and publisher reps when i consider books. I simply do not wish to allow my money to increase the profit of profiteers. If there is an author whose work i wish to access from one of these publishers i try to do so in a manner that does not give the publisher income - eg 2nd hand stores, libraries. I got sick of the politics and ethical issues in the publishing world so made the decision to choose more in line with my opinions and ethics on the matter. Ditto with authors i find problematic for various reasons from the fiction world.

I will not judge you for your book choice unless you are being an ass about other's book choices, or your choices are extremist far right in nature. Choose the books you feel suit your needs in the time. But do be aware of the problems within the sector so that you can make choices with empowerment. Eg. Tarot cards are another area there are big problems when people are copying decks and then selling knock off decks that are sub par quality.

There are many many good resources out there but the wide spread popularity has brought issues from profiteers. And as the circle turns again and it becomes less in the full of attention of the public/less profitable; the profiteers will move onto another sector. It has been this way before, it will be this way again.

Elphame · 14/11/2022 23:28

Also know your contraindications

Some herbs have definite contraindications like mugwort and pregnancy and a decent proper medicinal herbal will tell you this. Books aimed at new witches though often won't (hence my comment of poor to dangerous above).

Mugwort for example contains thujone which is a toxin that is poorly metabolised by the liver. As a result it leaves the body very slowly and if you are taking it regularly, either smoking or in tea, it can build up in the body to toxic levels. As in all things the danger is in the dose and the amount of active ingredients in herbs will vary from plant to plant depending on a huge number of variables. It's part of the reason I prefer to make tinctures (which is what the pros use) as then I know how potent a batch is and I can make some attempt at standardisation until I need to make a new batch.

The interaction of herbal remedies and conventional medicine is very poorly studied: quite often the research simply doesn't exist! If you do take medication you should really consult with a qualified herbalist before taking any herbal preparation.

queenrollo · 15/11/2022 08:10

some wonderful and informative discussion here.

Elphame I echo your feelings on using what is local to you. This was a feeling growing in me for quite some time, but then it got very loud in my brain during the lockdowns. I was musing a lot on how previous generations would have been very familiar with what was available in an incredibly small radius of their home. They wouldn't be using exotic ingredients from far flung places.
I am not a fan of white sage, but also palo santo which I have far too much of. I used to get a lovely subscription box but seemed to get a piece of that with every one and I just don't use it.
My local beekeeper makes simple candles too, which increasingly I am using for my practice.
This isn't to say I am not still buying and using things that are from afar, I am just much more mindful about it.

I have a good friend who is a herbalist and have learned so much from her, especially about how badly I was self treating in my 20s. I was aware of some things (St Johns Wort and birth control for example) but I also naively took agnus castus for a fertility issue and subsequently realised I had done more damage than good.

I'm mostly over this awful virus my son shared with me. It's knocked about 60% of the school for six. It's left me with tickly lungs and I was up most of last night coughing.

RosettaStormer · 15/11/2022 08:22

What a great series of posts. I’ve ordered quite a few of those books.

speakout · 15/11/2022 08:31

queenrollo sorry you are feeling unwell. A cough can be debilitating.
I am on day 4 of testing negatiive, but still very congested and a constant cough. I am keen to get back to yoga, but impossible until my cough calms down.
I do saining instead of smudging- similar old celtic tradition, using bundles of locally grown plants- yew, rowan, rosemary, juniper and st johns wort- all of which grow in my garden.
There are many traditional smoke cleansing ceremonies around the world, I like saining because those are my roots.
Some interesting reading for an afternoon worm holing!

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MarieIVanArkleStinks · 15/11/2022 09:02

@HillsBesideTheSea that is fantastic information about books and publishing. A million thanks!

hilariousnamehere · 15/11/2022 11:26

No time to catch up properly till later this week but just flying past to send love and make sure I don't drop off my favourite thread! Halloween Grin

VioletCharlotte · 15/11/2022 12:53

Sending healing thoughts to all those who are unwell. I too have succumbed to the lurgy. Covid test is negative, but bad cold symptoms and generally feeling rubbish. I can't do yoga either Speakout as my nose won't stop running!

I'm sure that sometimes illness is the universe's way of making us stop and rest. Being off work sick has given me time to reevaluate and realise that taking on a Masters this year is a bad idea! I now need to unravel things, but I'm glad I've made this decision a week in, rather than further down the line.

I've spent some time in the shadows over the last couple of days while I've been pondering my decision. Lots of stuff coming up and a need for some inner child work. No matter how much healing we do, there's always more to be done!

womanofthemoon · 15/11/2022 15:24

Thinking of everyone who’s feeling unwell. There’s such informative discussion here, it’s a real privilege to be able to be part of it.
It’s wet and gloomy by us today but I managed to take both DC out for a walk to the waterfall and then into our town centre which was beautiful as it’s being decorated for Christmas and there was a delivery of Christmas trees so I’m feeling especially festive

barefootnomadmam · 15/11/2022 16:15

Sorry for dropping off again, but I had good reason to this time😊. We welcomed our baby boy Malachi Astro (meaning Messenger of the Stars) yesterday, he weighed 8lbs 2oz and arrived in the early hours of the morning. He’s just perfect and we will be staying in our little bubble until he decides it’s time to part ways with his placenta (we are doing a lotus birth again). He was born on our boat just like his big sister.

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 15/11/2022 17:08

Malachi Astro is such a beautiful name! Many congratulations @barefootnomadmam

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