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Any Witches Here?- Part 17.

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speakout · 26/07/2022 16:37

Or Wiccans. or Pagans? Or anyone who is interested in a magical path or feels some magical stirrings.
A place for support, learning, swapping ideas and magical inspiration..
This is the 17th thread- anyone looking for a deep dive into juicy magical topics may like to browse previous threads.....

It is a long list!!

Part 1 //www.mumsnet.com/Talk/philosophy_religion_spirituality/3241689-Any-witches-here?pg=1
Part 2
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Part 3
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Part 4
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Part5
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Part 6 //www.mumsnet.com/Talk/philosophy_religion_spirituality/3482023-Any-Witches-Here-Part-6?pg=1
Part 7 //www.mumsnet.com/Talk/philosophy_religion_spirituality/3520269-Any-Witches-Here-Part-7?pg=1
Part 8 //www.mumsnet.com/Talk/philosophy_religion_spirituality/a3568622-Any-Witches-Here-Part-8?pg=1
Part 9 //www.mumsnet.com/Talk/philosophy_religion_spirituality/3637696-Any-Witches-Here-Part-9?pg=1
Part 10
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Part 11
//www.mumsnet.com/Talk/philosophy_religion_spirituality/3850635-Any-Witches-Here-Part-11
Part 12
//www.mumsnet.com/Talk/philosophy_religion_spirituality/3997761-Any-Witches-Here-Part-12
Part 13 //www.mumsnet.com/Talk/philosophy_religion_spirituality/4116107-Any-Witches-here-Part-13
Part 14www.mumsnet.com/Talk/philosophy_religion_spirituality/4213962-Any-Witches-Here-Part-14
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Probablymagrat · 12/11/2022 18:29

Thank you HillsBesideTheSea, I will have a look on Youtube book reviews, thats very helpful. I will try Kindle, but it tends to make me go to sleep for some reason. My local library is very local if you get what I mean, I would be reluctant to start there tbh. But maybe when I am more confident.

VioletCharlotte · 12/11/2022 18:33

I use essential oils for cleaning, laundry and generally making the house smell nice. There's a brand called Freshskin that's pretty good for this sort of thing (cleaning rather than putting on your skin). We've discussed it on here a few times and it always seems to be a popular choice. Very reasonably priced. I like to use blends of lemon, eucalyptus, peppermint, lavender or rosemary. Today I've been using rosemary and lemon on the pad of my steam mop - it makes the house smell divine! I've also got a diffuser that I use for blends.

HillsBesideTheSea · 12/11/2022 19:14

When i was getting library books I was a teenager. With the same problem. I used to use the library in the town where i went to college. It was a different county. You can be a member of more than one county library. At one point i was a member of the library system connected to the local big city, the county that was between me and the big city and my local area library. Which was great because whilst i could inter library loan. I could also pop into the library that was part of my area but not my town too.

I use amazon when i know of an author i like and use the look inside feature to see more. In fact there is a book that has joined my wish list because of doing this earlier.

Sometimes it helps to think outside the box. Especially if you are keeping things on the down low. Out of area libraries, online books, and bookshelves wide enough to double stack the books on them are useful aides ime.

HillsBesideTheSea · 12/11/2022 19:16

I will admit that i have assumed that you are in the UK wrt libraries. If you are not this is probably more complicated. But it is definitely a feature i enjoy about the UK system.

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 12/11/2022 20:11

Merry meet @takemetomars and @Probablymagrat! Good to see other newcomers here: I'm one too, having only found my way here a couple of weeks ago after around 5 years' (very) solitary practice; solitary to the point that only two of my 'real life' people know about it. I still consider myself very much a novice, and am trying and experimenting with all kinds of practices.

There is a wealth of wisdom as well as a lovely energy on these threads. I've been backreading the other 16 of them and the level of knowledge here is incredible. @speakout gives wise advice and I'm particularly interested in what she has to say about Wicca because her recommendation is precisely the way I used it (I'm not Wiccan) when I started out on my own path. Some of its more rigid laws made me feel safer when I began tapping into energies I hadn't even begun to understand. The threefold law was especially beneficial: the idea that whatever energy you put out to the universe would come back to you multiplied, makes you mindful of what you do. It's this, together with a great love of nature, the elements and their balance and harmony that has fostered within me a deep respect for the workings of magic. It's helpful always to be mindful of this, ie. never performing rites/spells intended to interfere with others' free will, and to be very explicitly clear about intentions when doing any type of work. Intentions can be misconstrued.

Other than this, as I've continued down my path I find Wicca and its traditions quite prescriptive and some of its key concepts overly straightforward. The rigid divide it claims between good and bad, in particular, is problematic and I found myself many times on reading their doctrines: 'if only it were this easy to judge!' This is why I started out cautiously, maintaining a respect for the powerful energies I'm engaging with, but also remaining critical about what I read. My practice is eclectic: I work with candles and crystals, tarot, and am particularly in tune with the moon and elements: the moon guides everything I do and I only do particular work at particular phases. I've always grown a herb-garden and had a lavender patch. I have an interest in pantheism. I never set out to find 'my' deities, and don't follow a god and goddess the way Wiccans do, but I did feel the powerful call of one particular deity and am fostering a bond with her.

Lisa Chamberlain is an accessible Wiccan author - I'm currently using her tarot guide and have her volume about runes, which I know little about at present but am trying to pick up. Another tip I've picked up is that I started out by replicating others' spell recipes, which is good to begin with until you're surer of what you're doing. But as I've developed I've learned it's always much better to formulate your own. You can learn the basics: different symbolisms, components and their correspondences, then create your own blends and intentions. To me, it's important to put as much of my own energy into my workings as possible.

It's useful to keep a journal so you can track your own development, too. I haven't developed a proper spell book - was wondering if others have and how valuable they find it?

Wishing you brightest blessings on your magical journey. Mine has been transformative, and I hope yours will too.

HillsBesideTheSea · 12/11/2022 20:36

I don't have a spell book, i have a journey book. Reviews of books i have read, things i have done, ideas, concepts, results of workings, readings and return to reading reflections, birth chart analysis.

It is not neat, it is not tidy, there is no order, it is my magical journey. And yes I literally have book reviews that state
"i disagree with the author's ethos and find <this aspect> incredibly dated and inheritantly problematic, might be worth giving this author a swerve or treating their works with caution."
Whilst others might say "good book to return to for working through the exercises when time is available to give justice" or pages x-y are really good for this aspect that you want to further deep dive.

Some pages have salve recipe development. It is a complete mismash. And honestly i think a journey book is more useful than a plain spell book or something that is neat, tidy and precise. BUT it has to be what you NEED of it.

My favourite pages are my to be researched page, and my book wish list page. But i do love an evening lost in research and books are meant to be annotated go ahead judge me for that one, i'm ok with it Halloween Grin so i love me a hard copy of a book.

Trenzalor · 13/11/2022 08:02

welcome new friends!

Tylluan Penry is on YouTube; I love watching her videos and sometimes go through a whole playlist whilst cooking! There’s no one else’s wisdom I make so many notes on! I also watch a lot of tarot on YouTube and there’s a really nice community (most have far more decks than will ever be needed but it’s great for deck reviews and is a generally nice community). The Hermit’s Cave is a good one to start from.

Those unwell, I hope your bodies heal soon. I have also been less than well for weeks (nothing dreadful just an energy sucking cold). It seems odd so many of us are stricken at the same time!

speakout · 13/11/2022 08:28

I love Tylluan Penry too Trenzalor, so practical and down to earth.
And good point about youtube- there are lots of amazing witches, Tarot readers.
I love the flick through of tarot decks, helps me decide if I want to purchase.
I follow a lot of interesting people on youtube- the witch of wanderlust, Kelly Anne Maddox,The Witches cookery, The Green Witch, Persephone's sister and many more.
Your practice sounds similar to mine MarieIVanArkleStinks - I am not great with authority, and question everything. I know somemagical communities- including wiccan can sometimes attract the power hungry, the svengali, those who wish to control and dominate. A culture like that is not for me.
I do work with deity, although I call myself an atheist- the most accurate label I can find!
Sorry you have been unwell too. I am finally testing negative for Covid, but I am feeling very weak and still have a cough and congestion.
I have been working this week, as OH has been off work and helping to holding domestic stuff together,cooking and shopping despite also having covid.
He is back to work tomorrow and the house needs some attention,only the bare minimum has been done.
So I will start to tackle that at a slow pace, but I don't have the energy to work too, and no idea when I will get back to yoga, just climbing the stairs is still a challenge, normally I can bound up them two at a time.
I am off for a peppermint shower , hoping the stema will ease my lungs a little. It's a nasty awful bug, but I will recover.

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HillsBesideTheSea · 13/11/2022 09:48

Forgive me, i am tired and trying to stay off mn as much as possible. Who was it I promised the no-mater sauce to?

It has worked well on/in everything from lasagna to pizza. I did have to tweak it but the tweak was easy and made it so much tastier.

PamelaColmansMustard · 13/11/2022 10:31

So explore essential oils, or herbs,or Tarot, or dreamwork,or prophecy, runes, knotwork, candle magic, astrology, kitchen witchery, spellcraft, learn about deity, history, sigils, crystals- whatever inspires or piques your curiosity.

This makes perfect sense to me, so thank you Speakout. Thanks to this thread I found Tylluan Penry's videos and had a nice hour watching them last night. I still don't know what I would call myself, and maybe it doesn't even matter; what I do know is I'm being called, by something, don't know what for; and it's as strong as that calling to church was back when I was 17. I've always been amazingly crap at self discipline (in all fields) and despite studying and reading Tarot for 11 years now, I've only just mastered the discipline of pulling a daily card. Everyone who recommended this practice was spot on, it's been brilliant and has spread out into the rest of my daily life.

Three oils ordered. Onwards!

speakout · 13/11/2022 10:56

PamelaColmansMustard you have a sensible approach I think.
There is absolutely no need to label yourself a type of witch, or a type of anything. Unless you want to call yourself a particular identity- then it is totally right!
For some their magical path is a religion- for others not.

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speakout · 13/11/2022 11:02

I know some people idenify as christian and a witch- not one I can square in my head.
For me a magical path is about inner power, the power within ( as Starhawk likes to talk of.
The self as divinity.
Most mainstream religions use the idea of an external power,- something outwith the self, a deity who creates, watches,judges, something to be worshipped and called upon. Something greater than we are.
That locus of power can be within or without- never both.
Some may see it differently of course.

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PamelaColmansMustard · 13/11/2022 11:04

I might be a bit anti-religion (and am attempting to quash this tendency!), but I think it's one reason Wicca didn't really appeal. Being a solitary old grump I do prefer books and online resources but am finding that yes, the best practice is the one you discover within yourself. Mine's taking some uncovering! But I do love finding magick in the everyday; at the moment, washing drying on the line, plants in the outhouse (I do talk to them), my cats (ditto talking)....just the everyday simple stuff.

PamelaColmansMustard · 13/11/2022 11:05

speakout · 13/11/2022 11:02

I know some people idenify as christian and a witch- not one I can square in my head.
For me a magical path is about inner power, the power within ( as Starhawk likes to talk of.
The self as divinity.
Most mainstream religions use the idea of an external power,- something outwith the self, a deity who creates, watches,judges, something to be worshipped and called upon. Something greater than we are.
That locus of power can be within or without- never both.
Some may see it differently of course.

Wow - cross posted!

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 13/11/2022 14:51

Starhawk! Now there is an author I love. Can't believe I forgot her.

I couldn't square the Christian/pagan circle either. I did try to begin with. Divination was one of the last set of practices I attempted because this was viewed as such a grave sin by the church, and I (as many) had internalized the idea that nothing good could come from dabbling with 'the occult'. I'm also very sold by the Pantheist idea that all gods are of importance, and that the divine is in nature, in spirit/the goddess, and that this can be found as much within us as in the universe beyond.

I still respect Jesus, and Mary could easily be interpreted as a goddess and I believe even has connections with goddesses from other traditions. But Christianity has no room for those forms of belief.

@HillsBesideTheSea, your journal sounds exactly like mine. I've paginated and indexed it so I can easily find what I need again (by now it's run to several volumes) but is random: significant tarot results on one page, correspondences on another, spellwork with space left for manifestations, developing beliefs etc.

I love art and calligraphy and one day meant to make up a beautiful version, all in inks, with the key ideas in, but there's no way I'd get the time to invest in a project like that!

speakout · 13/11/2022 16:38

Starhawk was a big influencer for me too.
I remember reading The Spiral Dance in 1981-it was a gamechanger and some of those ideas still underpin my world view.
It is difficult to escape the influences of the church on society- even as a non believer.The church has moulded our society-and has caused harm and unfairness.
I am lucky that I was not indoctrinated too heavily as a child- my mother was a sit on the fence- don't think too deeply type of a christian.
My father was an atheist.
But we still had to observe and worship at school- daily prayers,bible stories etc.- but I remember as a 12 year old having very deep existentialist thoughts and decided the christian god did not exist.
I had never heard of the idea of atheism, but it seemed to be the only logical stance.
Your ideas are interesting MarieIVanArkleStinks and I share an animist approach to the divine as myth,archetype and symbols which exist everywhere, even in the inanimate- such as Spinoza describes.

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womanofthemoon · 13/11/2022 18:45

I’ve been lurking for a while but I finally have the courage to post👋🏻. I’ve been following the lunar cycle since I was a teen and have slowly started learning more about paganism and I feel like a have found a purpose somewhat. We welcomed our 2nd and final child in October (named after the moon) which means I will be coming off hormonal contraception and I’m so excited to have my natural cycle back as that is when I always felt very connected to the moon. It would be nice to chat with like minded people :)

takemetomars · 13/11/2022 20:26

Been having a look at pagan books. Can anyone recommend a good book for beginners?

speakout · 13/11/2022 21:00

What are your interests takemetomars ? That may be a good place to start

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takemetomars · 13/11/2022 21:12

@speakout - the history of it mainly. I want to
Know how it was in the beginning, in simpler times

speakout · 13/11/2022 21:26

takemetomars history of what?
Loads to explore from a historical perspective- social anthropology, ancient wisdom, neolithic times, archaeology,Roman, Greek, Celtic, Scandic folk history- or the burning times?

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HillsBesideTheSea · 14/11/2022 06:51

If you don't mind a more academic read then Ronald Hutton is good for the historical stuff. They are very definitely a very academic read. Angela's symposia is a good for more digestible history of this too. She has an interview with Hutton that is delightful. You are crazy as an academic to go into this field Halloween Grin Especially as she is not confined to one area and will cover all sorts of aspects.

takemetomars · 14/11/2022 06:56

@speakout , the celts, ancient wisdom,, Neolithic times please?

speakout · 14/11/2022 08:13

takemetomars some very interesting subjects there, each one a lifetime of research!
One of the difficulties in exporing ancient times is that much of it is classed as "pre-history" ie no written records, and often dismissed by serious historians.
Incredibly bigoted in my view, as that writes off even recent years of indiginous people because the written word is not part of their culture. But that is another story!
Much of the ancient knowledge including magic was passed down generations by the spoken word, song, verse, ritual and held at a domestic level- so again not of interest to historians who are more interested in war, power, kings, armies.
Social information and matters of the hearth and home were not deemed as interesting as the men who won wars, or led countries and troops. We have stones, monuments which have lasted time, and we can draw some conclusions.
Thankfully things are changing, but we are left with very sketchy information to piece together our ancient past and analyses of it written through subjective a subjective lens.
Christians wrote of "heathens", again they were invaders of sorts, and created the idea of ancient people being brutal, agressive, unintelligent cavemen, worshipping devils and sacrificing babies.
It suited the christian narrative - saving the world from barbarism, everything before the church was violent and uncivilised. You don't have to look too far to see this was not the case at all.
So we are left with patchy information- many authors trying to fill in the gaps, theories, assumptions.
Not all accurate and often written with agendas.
You won't find any book that tells you how it was six thousand years ago, especially on subjects that revolve around the home, witchcraft, shamanism domestic magic- because we simply don't know.
We still have folk customs and practices, and can make assumptions of their provenance, but we can't always be certain of that.

These are still incredibly interesting subjects to consider, they pique my interest too- but there is no book or single authority that can give an accurate history of magic.

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takemetomars · 14/11/2022 10:21

@speakout thank you. I will start elsewhere then, someone recommended Lisa Chamberlain so I will consider her books

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