Went to a talk by the Bishop of Durham lats night about Dawkin's the God Delusion and I was not impressed.

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Me and DP being the only two athiests in there and possibly the only two who had read it, his misrepresntaions and at one point, outright lie, did not endear me to his argument.

It's true MT, there is an element of "fighting back" these days, as more and more religious types try to get their views into the scientific agenda.

RD is criticised for writing about "theology" when he doesn't have a qualification in it - which is of course to miss the point, as he isn't writing about "theology" at all.

I'd still be happy if no scientist ever had to write or say anything on the subject of religion ever again. Sadly, the religious will never return the favour.

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You can actually use logic to disprove the existence of the Christian God. I think it's a unique religion in that respect! All the others are empirically highly improbable, but not illogical.

I struggled with it and gave up. Choose to believe anyway. I do think it's the point in a way. If you could prove it.. then what's to believe?

And they're scary people with lots of money, Pruners...

Maybe I should read it. I must admit I assumed Dawkins had used maybe a couple of the proofs.

Where do you see the pushing creationism? In schools..here?
Surely not

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Not here as much but it's endemic in the US - museums of creation, evolution being spun as "just a theory", creationists arguing for "equal" time for their "theory" in science lessons. About as sensible as giving over half the biology lesson on conception to talking about storks and gooseberry bushes.

Maybe it is happening here more.
I'd forgotten that from MB.

Had no idea..but promoters must realise it can't ever catch on here surely with NC.. state schools.. very strict rules about diversity of religious teaching etc.. even in Church schools

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candypandy when i found there were MNers who didn't 'believe in evolution' (i dislike the phrase but that's a quote) i realised that nearly anything is possible.

I understand that the Emmanuel College Foundation schools such as Emmanuel College Gateshead have been said to include descriptions of creationism in their science lessons but I emphasise that I have only heard this through the Meejah.

I hope things will change when they finally get rid of Cowboy Bush next year.

I am surprised and disappointed. I was eddimacated at a church school and it was "Onward Christian Soldiers" of a morning and basically be good and be nice. That's as far as it should go at school I reckon. Still leaves people the choice and I think it should be a choice.

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religion + american politics = bedtime for me

I know - ridiculously optimistic. They all bang on about Gawd after all - impossible to get elected if you don't. But Romney and Huckleberry seem the scariest from that point of view.

LOL candypandy

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interesting to see how right-wing they all are really

(hidehi pruni! how's the new place? probably about six months in?

i like 4-year-old boys, do you? so much nicer than 3-year-olds, or is that just me? 5 is supposed to be quite tough so hope for the best i guess)

seriously, UQD, if you want religiously scary, Ron Paul is yer man. Romney is a cuddly Mormon, and Huckabee is just really Bush mk2, which might be scary, but it's hardly surprising.

Oh yes, Ron Paul as well. They all deny evolution, though, whch makes them non-starters for me!