My theory on God/Death/Heaven

HellToTheNope · 03/04/2022 01:31

This is one of the most sexist, absurd things I've ever heard,and for a religious discussion that's saying a lot.

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 03/04/2022 01:32

My theory is that God/the divine is a human folly, doesn't exist, and doesn't merit any thought or discussion as a result.

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Whoisanyone · 03/04/2022 01:39

Is there any further feedback other than an insult? It's a theory. On a religious board.

In terms of the sexist comment. This complete planet is sexist. My suggestion is that it is easy to knock woman down. The challenge is, as a man, to not do that.

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WTF475878237NC · 03/04/2022 01:40

There is something profoundly sexist about the Bible and I totally agree it was written with men in mind as it's a product of its time! I believe it was written to control people and the only people who were thought of as threatening enough/powerful enough to need control were men.

I don't believe that means women are exempt from judgement if there is a God though. Although I definitely agree there is something special about us for being able to bring life. What makes you think we are exempt exactly? The amount of shit we deal with in life?

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Whoisanyone · 03/04/2022 01:41

Totally appreciate that. I think it doesn't matter. God / whatever is not ego driven and you just need to be a good person in the situation you are dealt. I think religion is flawed and atheism is a path to finding meaning.

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PlasticPlantsDontDie · 03/04/2022 01:42

My perspective is it is a rule book for men (wrote by men).

Don’t know about the other gubbins but I like that perspective.

I always wondered why Jesus had to spell it out that you should treat others how you would have them treat you, because it’s pretty obvious but if he was a man just talking to men, then yeah it makes sense.

Hawkins001 · 03/04/2022 01:43

First and foremost, all due to respect, everyone is free to believe what they want to believe and to follow which ever books that inspire them.

That said, here's my limited understanding

I wonder why humans, bow to books written by other humans, rewritten then new editions printed etc.
I can understand if it was god, the being writing the revised editions on the beings rules for humanity, but as it's other humans, who say they understand God's will, then why should we trust them ?

Plus if their is a being of such ability and powers e.g. For example, Q from startrek, then I prefer the being to say what their rules are rather than me relying on a book that was originally written decade's ago.

And when people just say have faith,

Have faith in what excatly, ? That their may be some very tiny bit that may be God's actual words ?
Personally it seems a book or many books written by other humans, to basically guide other humans, yes back in the dark ages these books may have helped humanity, but in this day and age, why should any human bow, to any potential mythical beings ?

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Whoisanyone · 03/04/2022 01:46

Thanks for your comment. Like the reason could go on or paragraphs but you kinda said the reason yourself. Also the worst woman is no where near the worst man, so if we look at it logically on a scale of bad deeds... you know, there aren't many mass murderers who are woman.

However, my point is I dont believe woman are even on the scale. I dont believe their judged.

For a start woman already tend to judge themselves fairly harshly while they are here so the job is already done.

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movingsoon13 · 03/04/2022 01:49

@HellToTheNope

This is one of the most sexist, absurd things I've ever heard,and for a religious discussion that's saying a lot.

Clearly you missed OP's point entirely. I in fact think it is a rather ingenious take on the scriptures and could be the explanation for a significant amount of misunderstood statements. Yes, I studied ethics and philosophy to degree level.

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Whoisanyone · 03/04/2022 01:49

@Hawkins001

First and foremost, all due to respect, everyone is free to believe what they want to believe and to follow which ever books that inspire them.

That said, here's my limited understanding

I wonder why humans, bow to books written by other humans, rewritten then new editions printed etc.
I can understand if it was god, the being writing the revised editions on the beings rules for humanity, but as it's other humans, who say they understand God's will, then why should we trust them ?

Plus if their is a being of such ability and powers e.g. For example, Q from startrek, then I prefer the being to say what their rules are rather than me relying on a book that was originally written decade's ago.

And when people just say have faith,

Have faith in what excatly, ? That their may be some very tiny bit that may be God's actual words ?
Personally it seems a book or many books written by other humans, to basically guide other humans, yes back in the dark ages these books may have helped humanity, but in this day and age, why should any human bow, to any potential mythical beings ?

That's a right few questions. If this helps. I referenced the bible as the example of the sexism of woman excluded and offering my suggestion that it's on purpose.

Other than that. My beliefs are feelings. I dont really have a religion. I believe in a higher power who takes a while to find

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Borris · 03/04/2022 01:49

So Myra Hindley and Baby P's mother are blameless?

NurseBernard · 03/04/2022 01:49

I like your idea, OP! Not sure if it’s correct, but I like it.

How do you explain Mary and the immaculate conception?

If women are life-bearers, and if that’s such a good / pure / holy thing, why did ‘they’ need to ensure Mary was a virgin?

Icantfly · 03/04/2022 01:51

I agree with parts of what you believe eg the bible is a rule book for men by men, overall I don’t believe what you believe but I completely see why you do and you could very well be right (hopefully none of us find out for a long time though!). I find it interesting to hear others perspectives on things like this and I do like yours.

Hawkins001 · 03/04/2022 01:52

And for certain books, why do people read it as x but then say it's ment to be interpreted etc, surly back in the day you read it as it was rather than reading between the lines, as it's like a military set of orders, you don't read the orders and go the commander says x but I think the commander actually wants me to do y instead ? Other side it logically then is no longer the word of god, as purported to be.

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Whoisanyone · 03/04/2022 01:53

@Borris

So Myra Hindley and Baby P's mother are blameless?

Firstly, you know I did not say that. Awful.fuckong horrendous cases that I have zero background knowledge off.

But I will say.... it was probably hard to pick many more. Want to name the men who has mass murdered.

I'm starting my beliefs which I never have before. I've heard all my life the bible is sexist, I'm throwing it out there. Is it possible its not. You dont have to agree with me.

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Hawkins001 · 03/04/2022 01:53

*otherwise

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Whoisanyone · 03/04/2022 01:55

@Hawkins001

And for certain books, why do people read it as x but then say it's ment to be interpreted etc, surly back in the day you read it as it was rather than reading between the lines, as it's like a military set of orders, you don't read the orders and go the commander says x but I think the commander actually wants me to do y instead ? Other side it logically then is no longer the word of god, as purported to be.

I agree. If it needs interpretation then there is something wrong. Love one another at.Simple.

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Whoisanyone · 03/04/2022 01:58

@Icantfly

I agree with parts of what you believe eg the bible is a rule book for men by men, overall I don’t believe what you believe but I completely see why you do and you could very well be right (hopefully none of us find out for a long time though!). I find it interesting to hear others perspectives on things like this and I do like yours.

Can I ask what you believe? For you, yourself. Like not in general or what will happen the worst people

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Whoisanyone · 03/04/2022 02:02

@NurseBernard

I like your idea, OP! Not sure if it’s correct, but I like it.

How do you explain Mary and the immaculate conception?

If women are life-bearers, and if that’s such a good / pure / holy thing, why did ‘they’ need to ensure Mary was a virgin?

Hey nurse. Sorry I didnt see this. I'm not religious as such. I believe all religions have clues to the truth and also all religions have stuff that make you say... that cant be right.

I think that's the test. Trusting your conscience as to what is right. Feels right

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Icantfly · 03/04/2022 02:05

I don’t believe in god. I believe the world and people and everything was created by the Big Bang. I believe in ‘heaven’ but not hell. I believe when we die we go to ‘heaven’ which is not perfect or all angels and clouds etc but just like earth but where people are all knowing and enlightened. It’s clean and eco friendly, no crime or poverty or violence etc. I believe people ‘vote’ on things rather than being dictated to and everything is fair an equal. I think we are here on earth as ‘new’ souls and ‘old souls’ can choose to come from heaven either as bad people to test us, in certain capacities to test us, or as food people to guide us and try and make us better. If we do not live ‘good lives’ we may die and immediately re-live new lives which are more difficult to ‘teach us a lesson’ and try and make us good.

I also realise I mostly believe this as a comfort that when I die I won’t just disappear, my loved ones who have died have not just disappeared and slightly so that I can see a ‘point’ to living and trying to be better every day.

Hawkins001 · 03/04/2022 02:08

@Icantfly

I don’t believe in god. I believe the world and people and everything was created by the Big Bang. I believe in ‘heaven’ but not hell. I believe when we die we go to ‘heaven’ which is not perfect or all angels and clouds etc but just like earth but where people are all knowing and enlightened. It’s clean and eco friendly, no crime or poverty or violence etc. I believe people ‘vote’ on things rather than being dictated to and everything is fair an equal. I think we are here on earth as ‘new’ souls and ‘old souls’ can choose to come from heaven either as bad people to test us, in certain capacities to test us, or as food people to guide us and try and make us better. If we do not live ‘good lives’ we may die and immediately re-live new lives which are more difficult to ‘teach us a lesson’ and try and make us good.

I also realise I mostly believe this as a comfort that when I die I won’t just disappear, my loved ones who have died have not just disappeared and slightly so that I can see a ‘point’ to living and trying to be better every day.

I think reading that, I think it's one reason why humanity still has religions, to give people meaning, and purpose, because I think without it, for many it could have various psychological implications.

Icantfly · 03/04/2022 02:10

@Hawkins001 I agree, I’m not religious but sometimes during difficult times or when I’ve heard certain people talk about their religion I’ve thought oh I wish I did believe in a religion just for the comfort it can bring. (Obviously I know religion has also caused some horrific things, I’m just speaking personally)

Hawkins001 · 03/04/2022 02:12

[quote Icantfly]@Hawkins001 I agree, I’m not religious but sometimes during difficult times or when I’ve heard certain people talk about their religion I’ve thought oh I wish I did believe in a religion just for the comfort it can bring. (Obviously I know religion has also caused some horrific things, I’m just speaking personally)[/quote]
It's a fair point, sometimes people need to believe, to help give them hope and strength when needed, even if it's nothing more than what we choose to believe, vs what the reality is.

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Whoisanyone · 03/04/2022 02:19

@Icantfly

I don’t believe in god. I believe the world and people and everything was created by the Big Bang. I believe in ‘heaven’ but not hell. I believe when we die we go to ‘heaven’ which is not perfect or all angels and clouds etc but just like earth but where people are all knowing and enlightened. It’s clean and eco friendly, no crime or poverty or violence etc. I believe people ‘vote’ on things rather than being dictated to and everything is fair an equal. I think we are here on earth as ‘new’ souls and ‘old souls’ can choose to come from heaven either as bad people to test us, in certain capacities to test us, or as food people to guide us and try and make us better. If we do not live ‘good lives’ we may die and immediately re-live new lives which are more difficult to ‘teach us a lesson’ and try and make us good.

I also realise I mostly believe this as a comfort that when I die I won’t just disappear, my loved ones who have died have not just disappeared and slightly so that I can see a ‘point’ to living and trying to be better every day.

I've nothing really to argue against that. The big bang etc is what we know. Reincarnation to get it right, again I can see the merit and possibilities of that. I dont believe in hell or evil. The systems in places favour a lot at the top, I think we do the best we can and that is more than enough.

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Whoisanyone · 03/04/2022 02:24

Again, nothing to add. I think god finds you in the terrible place. I think if you have never had that need to look for God then you're really lucky and I hope you never have it. Again, just my opinion, belief is not important. Actions are because words and promises are very easy. But again, back to my original point i think its aimed at men. And its maybe something hidden in plain sight.

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