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DD has freaked me out(long)

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krisked · 12/11/2004 12:31

I moved into my house 1 yr ago and when i first moved in some strange things happened. We heard laughter and someone repeated what i had said, both me and DH heard it. One night, i came home and went up to the bedroom. We have 2 built in wardropes, two freestanding and one chest of drawers. There are also various drawers on the wardropes. Anyway they had all been opened. My first instinct was that we had been robbed but nothing was taken. I did speak to someone who has lived in the road all her life and she said the only person who had died in the house was an old man. The house was built near an old mental hospital that was later used to house TB sufferers until their death and my sister and friend live in the area and they had some strange things happen aswell. Anyway it became a bit of a running joke and nothing much has happened since we first moved in apart from things like toys going off on their own and spoons falling in the kitchen without any explanation of where they came from. Then the other morning my DD(22m) came downstairs and was adamant that grandad(she calls any old man grandad, even max on the tweenies) was in our out-house that is attached to the kitchen. she never goes out there so i presumed that she had dreamt it and carried on getting ready for work. However, she became very distressed screaming and pulling at the handle. I asked her what she wanted and she started pointing out the window in mid air saying "grandad".She seemed very upset that i couldn't see anything. I decided to let her out there and carry on and as i listened she was playing and laughing. When it was time to go i went out there and she looked at me then pointed to mid air again and said grandad. I told her it was time to go and pulled her through to the kitchen. With that she turned round and said come on to mid air and then as if told they couldn't come she said ok bye bye and quite happily followed me through. She hasn't mentioned it since and i have kind of brushed it of but the other part of me is wondering if there is more to the old man story!!!!

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krisked · 19/11/2004 09:19

Yes i wondered that too Chicpea.

No. I have never thought of getting a priest but thats because i dont feel particuarly scared. The only time i ever felt really scared was about 2 months back. I was sitting in my living room and the door was open so i could see the front door. I was on my own with DD. The front door is a big double glazed door and i heard the latch go as it someone was coming in i looked as i thought it must be DH coming home early. It suddenly swung open so fast it hit the wall behind. I jumped up as my first reaction was that we were being broken into. I could see outside as we have big windows and no-one was there. I got so scared and called my sister and she spoke to me until DH came home. When DH came home, he checked the seal of the door, it was OK and then he tried pushing the door from the outside. the only way it opened the way it did was if he opened the door and then pushed it open very quickly, so to this day no explanation but i do double lock the door now as im scared it will happen while im upstairs and someone will get in.

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sweetheart · 19/11/2004 09:30

krisked,

I had a very similar experience with my dd. I think she must have been about 2yr's old when it happened.

It started with her playing peek-a-bo round the bathroom door when she was in the bath. I didn't think anything of it at first but then she started talking to thin air. I told my dh (who would always do his level best to ignore such nonsense) and at first he didn't believe me.

As the days passed my dd spoke to this man more and more frequently - and my dh whitnessed it. This "man" would never come inthe same room as her - he always stayed in the hallway, stairs or landing. On a couple of occasions I closed the lounge door to try and distract her but she would get very cross with me and tell me I was upsetting "the man"

Even my dh had to admit in the end that there was definalty something there.

We spoke to my dh's nan who goes to a spiritulist church and she said it was probably a spirit guide and than my dh had had a little chinese man when he was a child.

She also said that dd just needed some extra looking after at that time and he would soon leave us.

Sure enough after a couple of weeks the man left and he's never been mentioned again.

I would often ask dd questions about the man and every time she would give me identical answers - unusual for a 2 yr old with an imaginery friend. Looking back now I feel comforted that there was someone else there looking after my dd but I know it can be quite scary whilst it is happening!!!!!

krisked · 19/11/2004 10:24

Thats comforting to know sweetheart. I like the ideas of guides

When i first viewed the house i had a wonderful feeling and knew i would be happy there. There were so many problems moving in and we had to wait 9 months. The house was falling down and needed so much done to it. Working FT my DH said it was too much to take on but i was convinced that i would be happy. And i really have. Even my DH has fallen in love with the house. We live in a horrid area, the neighbours are all loud and awful but when we close our front door (providing it doesn't swing open) nothing can touch us. I have decided that anything in that house must be good....

Also and im coming out with lots of stories but there have been so many....when i first moved in, i was sitting at the bottom of my stairs talking to my sister on the phone and my hair started moving as if someone was running their fingers through it. I sat and watched my hair rise and fall. This was at the beginning and we put it down to static electricity. If it was paranormal and it was a horrid ghost surely they would of just slapped me round the head..........

Im not saying each and every one of these things is paranormal and i do always look for a reasonable explanation. But how many times must things happen before you say yes something strange is happening???? I have been there for 14 months now and things happen once a month if that but when i list them it does seem alot!! My DH has admitted to seeing things out of the corner of his eye and i see things on almost on a daily basis. There was once a bright light hovering in the reflection of the kitchen window. it was behind me but a wall was behind me and when i turned to look there was nothing there. I stood for about 5 mins trying to work out where this light was coming from and then it just disappeared. Otherwise its just the normal something moved incidents

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ChicPea · 19/11/2004 14:27

Ooohhh SurferMum, just got goosebumps reading your post. And Socci's. And Sweetheart's!!
Re: tenants, the first lot were 3 actors who before they left after 18mths, I asked ever so casually what it had been like living there and they all said it was great, a nice flat to live in. I didn't push it. My feeling was when they signed the lease is that if there were any footsteps, etc that they would just think it was the other tenant. Also, as three men, maybe spirit/ghost preferred a lone female...which is what the next tenant was! Didn't have good relationship with her, always sent cheque late and when I told her after 14mths that I wanted to sell flat she changed the locks. I then hoped she would have these visitations during the night !!! A young couple then bought flat and I didn't have any phone calls/queries from them.
Oh! Another thing the spiritualist said was to wash ALL walls with salt water. The bowl of water, telling it to move on I could do. Salt washes were out of the question!
Krisked, your door flying open is, I think, a sign that you have something there. These things only do this when they know you will notice, in my experience, and you were downstairs and it got your attention. I very much doubt it would happen while you were upstairs but I would have the same concern. Krisked, I have just read your last post and I am pleased to read you are happy with your home and if you are just going to accept or turn a blind eye to the goings on then good for you. But at what point do you seek help. It is very normal to question what you saw and to even wonder if when your hair is moving if even that is just normal. Depends what you can put up with.
A friend of mine's FIL was a vicar and used to bless every new home they had just in case. She told me that if you do go down the having your home blessed route then it needs to be done by somebody who knows what they are doing. You may wish to do this. What's interesting is that your DH has seen things too.

bonkerz · 19/11/2004 15:01

interesting thread!

MY STORY: this has started to bug me recently. Since July 2000 when my ds was born i have heard things. My ds would look into mid air and smile alot as a baby and also said the word grandad even though he did not have one (my dad died a month before ds was born and his dads dad had not met him!) My ds has an imaginary friend but cant tell me his name. For over 2 years now i keep hearing someone call my name even when no one is around. On monday night i was getting ready to take ds up to bed, we had turned off tv and closed door etc and i heard a whistle, like a wolf wistle but shorter. I asked my ds who had whistled and he said grandad did it mummy!!
Then on wednesday i was driving into town and heard the same whistle! DS was not with me! I then realised i was doing over the speed limit and slowed down! Im not sure what it is but i did go to see DEREK ACORAH from most haunted last week and am convinced i may have opened myself up to my spirit guide or something!!!
Am terrified.

JuniperDewdrop · 19/11/2004 16:33

Wow at all these stories!!!

Agree with you chicpea in you need the right person (clergy) to exorcise spirits. I posted elswhere that a mate of mine had hers supposedly exorcised by the village vicar (who I know) and her spirit is still there. There are only a few Anglican's that are able to do it I think?

I'm a total believer in the paranormal. It's so worrying though to think that spirits can hurt you but I believe Malevolent spirits are able

JuniperDewdrop · 19/11/2004 16:34

Oh and whoever said that taking an interest in the paranormal can encourage it (or thereabouts?) is totally right IMO.

Socci · 19/11/2004 17:29

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ChicPea · 19/11/2004 20:47

In answer to your questions Socci - how do you pronounce that?! Soh-Chee? - I think you open yourself up to these things if you take an interest in the occult, ie buy the relevant books, have tarot readings, perform seances. If you only think about it, ie curiosity, "what if?" etc, I don't think that encourages whatever it is that starts these things. I told my parents' neighbour (she saw me grow up) who I visited after the spiritualist visited and she is a Jehovah's Witness. And wether you agree with their ideas or not, what she said made sense. She said the Christian Church believe that demons are everywhere and if they see that somebody is vulnerable and interested in the supernatural, they pounce and start playing with you encouraging you to take an interest in the supernatural. Sounds potty I know but she said if you start delving into these things you open yourself up to something that you cannot control and is ultimately very frightening. I don't believe in God per se but from what I saw, felt, experienced, I feel there is more than what we can see. She also told me off when I told her I had a spritualist visit as she said buy speaking to spirits, ie telling it to move on which I did, you entertain the idea of spirits which encourages whatever it is that moves things/makes all these sounds. Her advice was to shout - I'm really sorry to say this - "Jehovah, Jehovah" (do you all now think I am nutty?) and I will be protected. I never did this and really this sounds like something from a horror movie, but I had this to use if I felt really terrified.
Bonkerz, that's a scary story and IMO you have something there. As I was a single woman living on my own a la Brigit Jones, my position was very different to yours which is that of a mother with a child to protect. I know that I would go to great lengths to get rid of whatever it was if something surfaced in my house with two children to protect. Having said that, I think the real danger is a burglar or rapist who breaks into your house who we are really in danger from.

Socci · 19/11/2004 21:10

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ChicPea · 19/11/2004 22:54

Socci, I don't think these things are all evil, some are possibly just mischievous. Imagine being a spirit/whatever and going from house to house scaring the sh*t out of human beings. Must be fun! eriously though, I felt that my visitor was unhappy if that makes sense. Didn't really feel in danger just couldn't understand what and how it could happen and also didn't know how far it would go. I moved in 6 March, knew something was there in April by which time the evenings were getting lighter. I loved this mansion flat with high ceilings and it was my space so was determined to conquer all. My boyfriend moved in with me in October so really it was seven months of serious jitters. If this happened again, I would go straight to a vicar who knew what he was doing to get rid of it for once and for all. To go to bed thinking "I wonder what's going to happen tonight..." was horrid.

Snugs · 20/11/2004 14:48

Wow - off MN for a few days and I miss all the interesting threads!

Can I just point out that the clergy (of any denomination) will not always be successful in 'exorcising' a spirit. In most cases, you could probably do just as good a job yourself, or get in a medium who can communicate directly with the spirit.

The problem is - if the spirit isn't a Christian, why would they listen to a Christian telling them to go away! (read Christian as whatever appropriate religion).

My mum is a medium and has successfully cleared many homes of spirits. It is usually just a case of finding out why they are visiting in the first place, the majority will be family members simply trying to let you know they are around. Letting them know that the things they are doing are upsetting or confusing will stop them - the last thing they want is to cause any harm.

There can also be times when the spirit is the confused one. It is like they have lost their way - a medium can find out what the problem is and act as 'navigator' to help them move on happily. This is often the case when a place seems to be haunted. If the spirit seems more attached to an individual, then it is likely to be family or a spirit guide.

Socci · 20/11/2004 15:38

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Snugs · 20/11/2004 16:17

Socci - I didn't say a spiritualist would always be successful either. If the spirit is stubborn enough, they probably won't move on whoever asks them to. My point was that asking (rather than telling, in the form of an exorcism) tends to be more successful - good manners never hurt anyone - and that spirits are just like the living in that they tend to listen more to those of a like minded opinion.

And who said anything about demons? I was talking about spirits.

Socci · 20/11/2004 16:22

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Socci · 20/11/2004 16:24

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Snugs · 20/11/2004 17:05

That probably comes down to if you believe in the existence of demons. I don't so that obviously colours my view of things.

If a spirit is unhappy and can't (or won't) move on, then the best thing to do is find out why. And to do that you need to communicate with it - hence my mention of using a medium.

Socci · 20/11/2004 17:17

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Snugs · 20/11/2004 17:40

Firstly - yes, my mum has been a natural medium all her life, but has only actively used her gift for the last 20 yrs or so (she is in her 60's).

In every case (that my mum has dealt with) when it has been suspected poltergeist activity, there has been someone in the household who is very emotionally charged - usually the typical teenager but not always. Someone in this state is very open to spirit activity and consequently a lot of spirits will use the opportunity to get messages through. Some will try a little harder than others to get their message through or to gain attention - hence the heightened sense of weird things going on. If the busy influx of communications can be dealt with, then the 'poltergiest' activity tends to settle down.

So, yes, IMO poltergeists are always spirits - either a mass of them all shouting at once or simply one mischievous little so-and-so determined to get your attention

Papillon · 21/11/2004 07:55

Hey Snugs good to see you on this thread as I have been lurking cos its interesting and also cos stuff like this often happens to me, and something happened on Friday night which caused us all to not get alot of sleep.
You mention working yourself to clear this energy - can you recommend any books or websites?

Two weeks ago whenever I went into the toilet I could smell the perfume of my granny. I often feel her around me and was with her when she died. I kinda held her hand and helped her pass over.
I am a very emotionally charged person and often get the feeling spirits are around. Just last night when talking to dh about something that carried alot of emotion the wall in front of me kept cracking... I get that alot - sychronised noise.
On Friday nite dh was out for the evening. When I went to bed at exactly 21.21, my dd had woken up and was waiting for me to come in. The room felt very heavy and not good. I did some work clearing the space. dd was getting upset every time I felt the heavy energy increasing again. When dh came home he could not sleep for hours he said he felt alot of electricity in the room.

I have been working on this abit but obviously I need to put more focus in this area because it feels to me that spirits I know and don´t know want to contact me. Freaks me out though - but that might pass with time and abit more knowledge and understanding. Fingers crossed!

Dizzylizzy · 21/11/2004 09:05

When dd1 was about 3, she was stopping at her nanna's and was lied in bed with her Auntie watching a dvd, all of a sudden she sat up smiled and started giggling and pointed to the end of the bed. When her Auntie asked what she was smiling at, she said her two grandads, one of her grandads had died the year before and the other one 27 years ago. She also described him in detail, even though she had never seen a photo of him.

Snugs · 21/11/2004 12:06

Hiya Paps - very limited internet time at the moment so have become a bit of a lurker, usually just about have time to catch up on reading threads but not post.

Not sure about websites/books - mum is my normal source of knowledge for this sort of stuff. Will give her a ring and see if she knows any for you.

In the meantime, try putting up a protection circle (think we've talked about the glowing light over the head before ?) and extending it over the whole family. This will help if you think it is anything unwanted trying to get in. Also, just try asking them to back off a little. Explain that you don't feel ready and that your dd is upset by their presence - it is surprising how often the simple approach works.

And relax! Getting freaked out about it is just boosting your spiritual energy and acting like a beacon to bring them all in.

If there is one room in particular that feels heavy, you could try some crystals to absorb negative energy.

HTH for now - will get back to you when have spoken to mum.

Snugs · 21/11/2004 14:52

Papillon - have spoken to mum and she was at a bit of a loss to recommend any sites/books I'm afraid. The problem is you really need something more interactive, so you can give feedback as to what is and isn't working. Having said that, she does use the AOL community boards a lot as you can get some useful advice from experienced mediums on there. She also tutors a few people in psychic development via email (the wonders of modern technololgy ).

Will let you know exactly which boards as soon as possible.

As regards your dd's room - if it really is getting oppressive and you want to clear anything out, mum suggests Reiki. It can be done at a distance, but best if you can get someone in to put up some clearing/protecting symbols. If you don't know anyone, let me know and mum will try to help (she is Reiki level 2, doing her Masters next week).

HTH
Goddess Blessings
Snugs

spikeycat · 21/11/2004 19:29

Wow, bit late reading this thread but it has been really interesting! Have had a few spooky experiences over the years but guess I am looking for some advice...
When I was 7 months pregnant with DS1 (about 2 ears ago) my maternal GM passed away after a brief illness that she was expected to recover from in hospital. I went to the hospital that morning as I had a "feeling" that something wasn't right and my mum and aunt were there already. When I arrived it was the first time my nan had seen me soooo big and my engagement ring, but she didn't say alot, she showed me her forearms and said "ooo look spikeycat, look what they have done" (not compaining by the way) as her arms were bruised from the drips. About 20 mins later my mum was outside and DP came running to the lift saying "your nans going, wheres your mum" anyway, we found mum and she, my aunt and me watched while the doctors worked, they said they could heart massage but it would break all her ribs (she was 93) and she would need care forever, my mum and aunt (whos a nurse) said no.
Since then my mum has dreams of her mum saying "look sc's mum, look what you LET THEM DO" - showing her arms. Now I believe that people visit you in sleep, and can not believe for one moment my lovely nana would do that. Also, I feel her around me a lot, but I always say "nan, I know your there but I don't want to c u yet, I'd be scared, please leave me alone a while longer" - Am I doing the right thing - sorry to ramble...

Socci · 21/11/2004 19:51

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