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anyone else's toddler ever spoken about 'past life' experiences??????

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noonar · 18/09/2007 13:33

now, am not saying (necessarily) that i believe in reincarnation, but i've just had a rather spooky conversation with my 3 yo dd. (just 3)

the gist of it was that she's bored with being 3 and wants to be a teenager again. when i asked her where i was whilst she was busy being a teenager, she said that she had a different mummy then.

the conversation went on, and then she said that she got sick and she died.

as i said earlier, i'm not saying i believe any of this, but it certainly sent a shiver down my spine.

OP posts:
bumbleymummy · 07/04/2013 23:19

Ellie, the germ theory of disease was initially rejected.

littlebitofthislittlebitofthat · 07/04/2013 23:20

would you be happy for your very small child to be poked and prodded and held up for scientific examination......?

ah yes... Information gathering

Never mind the wellbeing of the child...... SCIENCE

bumbleymummy · 07/04/2013 23:21

Imagine if no no one had considered the possibility of the Internet...where would we be? :)

ICBINEG · 07/04/2013 23:23

little there is a difference between acknowledging the existence of real phenomena that we cannot yet fully explain (this is what science does) and seeking an explanation for things there is no evidence of the actual existence of.

eg. we cannot explain the finer point of the operation of quantum mechanics in that we have no theories that completely reproduce all of the observed phenomena.

we cannot explain how homeopathy works, but then there is no evidence that it does...so I am cool with that.

Hence there is no need to explain how memory of previous lives works because there is no evidence that memory of previous lives exists.

It is not small minded to only seek an explanation for those phenomena that have actually been shown to occur. It is utterly reasonable to not seek an explanation of fairies, unicorns, ghosts or memory of past lives.

ICBINEG · 07/04/2013 23:25

but I HAVE considered the possibility of reincarnation.

I considered it...then I did more. I looked for evidence of it.

I found none. I found none on the internet. I found none n the peer reviewed literature.

It is possible in the same way that it is possible that the moon is made of cheese. There is no evidence for either...and both have been investigated.

ICBINEG · 07/04/2013 23:27

little you have no fucking clue what science is.

greenfern · 07/04/2013 23:28

That's a shame noonar, I was really enjoying your thread then someone has to come along and spoil it. (Sad)

PavlovtheCat · 07/04/2013 23:31

ICE wow. You are on fire with your harshness. Fucking hell. You asked why it might be, I gave an answer. And you responded with, what exactly? a rant. But that is not directed at me I feel. You seem wound up. I had not realised until I read your posts thoroughly, I had thought you were genuinely asking, didn't realise you would be so scathing. I shall be sure to steer clear of any other threads where you tread.

littlebitofthislittlebitofthat · 07/04/2013 23:33

you sound lovely.... living in your black and white world.

I have experiences of things that cannot be explained by science, religious fervour, medication or mental illness.

I chose to keep the actual experience to myself because people who see things in black and white are keen to diminish my experience.

I have come on this thread to seek out other people who have had scientifically unproven experiences too.

You cant ell me that I didn't have the experience because it cant scientifically prove it, you also cant say that I don't deserve to seek out explanations.

you must be very smug in thinking that you know all there is to know, or all that will ever be known....

I just don't understand how you can be so SECURE in your knowledge that science backs all.

PavlovtheCat · 07/04/2013 23:34

green indeed. Perhaps I will continue to read this thread, ignoring the chill in the air. I am not entirely sure I have ever actually come across someone so fucking rude. But I suspect that's the point of it all. No-one would be so disrespectful to people without being aware of such an impact.

ICBINEG · 07/04/2013 23:34

green yeah well (sad) is accurate.

Toddlers say weird shit, a whole lot of weird shit. Also there are a whole lot of toddlers. Some tiny fraction of the weird shit that toddlers come out with happens to coincide with something unexpected in the real world.

You know what would truly be 'spooky'? If nothing ever said at random by a toddler happened to match up with real life in the past etc. The chances against that are astronomical.

There would be a stronger case for mystical forces if there was not one instance of a toddler coming up with a plausible past life story.

The mere existence of toddler past life stories proves beyond reasonable doubt that all is right with the world and there is no need to call in the mystic powers to explain anything.

Anyway I will let you get back to your ohhhh its sooo spooooky bullshit. Future generations will find it useful to have something so obvious to look down on us for...

littlebitofthislittlebitofthat · 07/04/2013 23:36

Hear Hear PAVLOV.... I think i'll give them a wide berth too!

ICBINEG · 07/04/2013 23:38

Ohhh nooo! please don't avoid me! I would love to continue to hear about your 'feelings' and 'experiences' and how they are equally valid to weight of scientific evidence!

oh wait...

ChippingInIsEggceptional · 07/04/2013 23:42

ICBINEG - are you OK tonight? It's not like you??

littlebitofthislittlebitofthat · 07/04/2013 23:42

I wouldn't waste my time telling you... See that's EXACTLY what I meant.

Anything that doesn't fit your black and white view is mocked....

May I quote the great bard.....

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy

ChippingInIsEggceptional · 07/04/2013 23:47

Seeker - I don't remember many more details, it was several years ago and there were about 3 stories on the one program. The girl was about 10, she had been playing with friends in a river and she slipped on the wet rocks and banged her head/drown. It was in Africa. It was a TV documentary. I can't even remember who fronted the doc. I can remember the 'feeling' more than anything... her 'new/current/actual' parents were very angry with her for keeping on about it, but she was so upset and determined that eventually they found help to get her there and everything was just as she had said and she pointed the parents out and they'd previously told the story of how their daughter had drowned, exactly how and where she said. It was hundreds of miles away from where she was living... sorry, that's all I remember.

crazydrunkevilhamster · 07/04/2013 23:58

Ignoring the arguing .
Great thread OP Smile

My Db from a very early age was petrified of anything WW2 related (from being a Toddler) .
He use to hide under the table when he heard an aeroplane ,loud bangs etc , Rocking back & forth begging my DM not to let them take him , saying he had to hide from the soldiers .
When he was able to speak more he use to talk about being in a Concentration Camp & been hungry & Cold & how he went in to a room & never came out all this before he was 6 .
At school in History he Had to sit out of the class when studying WW2 as he use to scream & hide under the table rocking back & forth , the teacher said he was in some kind of trance & he completely unnerved the whole class .
You could never mention anything about that era to him cos he would just hide , It's only recently that it doesn't affect him as much & he is now 26 .
My Dm was on a school trip once at a place where witch trials were held like a museum house iyswim & at the top of the stairs my dm fainted & when they brought her round she was saying that she couldn't be caught as they would hang her .
She still has nightmares now about been hung , she can't wear anything round her neck .
Their are a lot of Old souls in my family & its great to hear everything & not one ounce if it us made up !

EllieArroway · 07/04/2013 23:59

Ellie, the germ theory of disease was initially rejected Every theory was initially rejected by someone - scientists don't believe something just on the say so of another. Evidence convinced them. It still works like that today. It's called the scientific method.

bumbleymummy · 08/04/2013 00:02

Oh good Ellie, I'm glad you're open to the possibility that just because we can't prove something now doesn't mean that it isn't a possibility. :)

bumbleymummy · 08/04/2013 00:05

Your poor brother crazydrunk :( Did he ever try regression therapy or anything?

EllieArroway · 08/04/2013 00:07

Oh good Ellie, I'm glad you're open to the possibility that just because we can't prove something now doesn't mean that it isn't a possibility

Of course I'm open to the possibility. That's what it means to be rational. I'll look at the evidence and make a decision from that.

When there's no evidence at all, it is highly irrational to go ahead and believe anyway.

Prove these ghosts/past lives exist, and I'll believe. Why ever not?

bumbleymummy · 08/04/2013 00:10

Isn't it a good job that some people do look for evidence that goes against the current way of thinking...otherwise we really wouldn't get anywhere. :)

crazydrunkevilhamster · 08/04/2013 00:15

bumbley We tried to get him to but he still won't talk about it , he just manages to pass over it if he catches anything on the tv etc , would love him to though as I'm really fascinated

bumbleymummy · 08/04/2013 00:17

It does sound pretty traumatic though...you can kind of understand why you wouldn't want to drag it all up to the front of your mind. I'm quite curious about it myself...I wonder if I'm an old soul or a shiny new one :)

EllieArroway · 08/04/2013 00:19

Absolutely. Slightly odd that in the hundreds and hundreds of years that people have been looking for this evidence, none whatsoever has been found. In the meantime, we've managed to put man on the moon, rid the world of small pox and invent the internet, but those ghosties elude everyone. But, hey - believing something on the basis of "Oh well, future scientists might find that it's true" makes perfect sense. Not. So, fill your boots.