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anyone else's toddler ever spoken about 'past life' experiences??????

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noonar · 18/09/2007 13:33

now, am not saying (necessarily) that i believe in reincarnation, but i've just had a rather spooky conversation with my 3 yo dd. (just 3)

the gist of it was that she's bored with being 3 and wants to be a teenager again. when i asked her where i was whilst she was busy being a teenager, she said that she had a different mummy then.

the conversation went on, and then she said that she got sick and she died.

as i said earlier, i'm not saying i believe any of this, but it certainly sent a shiver down my spine.

OP posts:
bumbleymummy · 08/04/2013 00:26

Who knows what they'll find...I'm just open to the possibility of it :)

EllieArroway · 08/04/2013 00:34

Well - me too.

DioneTheDiabolist · 08/04/2013 00:37

Quite a few scientists have claimed that there is evidence for reincarnation based on various studies. Studies and experiments regarding reincarnation are ongoing.

EllieArroway · 08/04/2013 01:00

Yes - and when subjected to peer review, as all science is, all of this "evidence" has been rejected as not conclusive. The consensus currently is that it's pseudo science . Of course research is ongoing - as is research into little green men, homeopathy and ESP.

DioneTheDiabolist · 08/04/2013 01:16

So, it's not that there us no evidence, it is simply that the evidence presented so far is not conclusive.

EllieArroway · 08/04/2013 01:20

Why are we talking about science, exactly? It has no relevance here - this is Religion, Philosophy and Spirituality. Oh - unless you decide it's relevant, I suppose? Is that how it works?

There's "evidence" for everything - but it's whether the evidence reaches the required standards to draw a conclusion from. In this case, it does not.

DioneTheDiabolist · 08/04/2013 01:30

I was only addressing your post of 00:19. I then quoted your follow up post. I can't see what I did that was wrong.Confused

EllieArroway · 08/04/2013 01:37

Like I said - you'll discuss science when you it thinks it supports you but dismiss it as entirely irrelevant because of the forum we're on when it doesn't.

There aren't many people who make me feel like an intellectual giant but......

Goodnight. Sweet dreams Wink

DioneTheDiabolist · 08/04/2013 01:50

I'm not discussing the science. I haven't read it, but I am aware that it exists and was merely making you aware of that too.

rockinhippy · 08/04/2013 01:56

Yes, mine was an early talker, full sentences by 16 months & we had no end of very spooky conversations with her in the early years - she even referred to.us as her other mother & father - not mummy & daddy - said we were kinder than her first ones, she remembered dying & was freaked out that she would die again because she said she remembered dying last time & everyone being sad & crying & she didn't want us to cry & that she knew her Mother & Father hadn't meant to hurt her Shock

On top of this, we got daily comments of "ladies don't drive cars, ladies don't wear trousers, ladies don't drink, ladies don't go into bars" etc etc etc - which had no bearing at all on how we are, or the people we know Confused

I even had her nursery key worker ask me about it all, at first I was reluctant to own up to it all for fear of looking barking mad, but she followed it up with things DD had said to her about her past life & us being her new mother & father - we had quite an interesting chat about it, she said that she often saw this with early talkers - funny though, even the midwife who delivered her commented " oh look at hose eyes, this ones been here before" - seems she wasn't wrong Shock but she gradually grew out of it & doesn't remember any of it now

bumbleymummy · 08/04/2013 08:22

Shock rockinhippy

bumbleymummy · 08/04/2013 08:29

Ellie, it was me who brought up science initially. I was pointing out to seeker that some things that have now been accepted as science were originally rejected and probably bought of as a bit 'woo' because they didn't tie in with the ideas and knowledge that people had at the time.

WhatTheWaterGaveMe · 08/04/2013 11:11

pavlov - I used to do that!! I would stand in front of a mirror repeating who am I and really concentrating until I genuinely didn't know who I was and I saw myself from the outside - it was really freaky though and then I'd get upset but I'd still do it again!

Can't believe I'm not the only one lol

littlebitofthislittlebitofthat · 08/04/2013 11:39

ICBINEG - I have a genuine question for you (sorry to hijack the thread, I am really enjoying hearing your experiences)

ICBINEG - how do you square up scientists who believe in God then? are scientists ONLY allowed to be interested in science, because I feel that you are denying a whole section of society the right to believe in anything that cannot be proved. (and that's why its called FAITH?)

ICBINEG · 08/04/2013 12:53

little the scientists I know compartmentalize that. They apply rational scientific method in one area of their life and suspend it for the other. I expect I would do the same if I had faith. We all have blind spots or suspend our scepticism for some things....I do it for the purposes of watching/reading scifi....just switch off the bit of my brain saying 'uhuh..like THAT could ever happen' and enjoy the film/book.

clarabellabunting · 08/04/2013 13:33

ChippingIn Is this the story you were talking about?

From this website (en.minghui.org/html/articles/2012/1/31/131075.html). It's in Sri Lanka, not Africa, but the story sounds similar?

"...Professor Haraldsson gave the film crew a very dramatic case from Sri Lanka.

The film crew and Professor Haraldsson arrived at a small town called Veyangoda in Gamphaha district to visit the Nissanka family. The couple had a daughter named Dilukshi Nissanka. The mother said that Dilukshi repeatedly said that she was not the Nissanka family's child. She believed that her real home was at Dan Bula, which is situated in the middle of Sri Lanka and over 100 kilometers from Veyangoda. When she was young, her parents sent her to a kindergarten run by a Buddhist temple, but she said, ?My temple is at another place.? During meals and before going to bed, she repeatedly talked about her ?real home.? Her parents thought she was joking, so they did not take her words seriously at first. However, she repeatedly talked about it and gave a lot of details about that family and the life down there, including her clothing, furniture and property. She said that she was pushed into a river and drowned while playing at the river. She had a clear memory of many details about the river and the scenes of the surrounding area.

Was she talking about fantasies? Professor Haraldsson said that if it's only a child's fantasy, she usually would think of relaxing and comfortable things, not death by drowning. For Dilukshi's mother, her daughter's ?past life memories? made them feel sad, thinking that her daughter was not satisfied with their care.

Dilukshi's parents could not stop her from making continuous requests to look for her ?real home.? Finally they went to the most famous temple in Dan Bula, the Rock Temple, to ask the abbot for help, since Dilukshi had talked about the temple as well. They asked the abbot if he knew a girl had drowned. The abbot said he did not know of such a girl, but he introduced the visitors to a reporter that he knew. The reporter interviewed the Nissanka family and published the story in the newspaper, including the details of the past life as described by Dilukshi. Several days later, the Nissanka family received a letter from a village in Dan Bula. The writer, Dharmadasa Ranatunga, said in the letter that the story published in the newspaper, including the scenes from the surrounding areas of the river, exactly matched the experience of her deceased daughter Shiromi. She wanted to meet Dilukshi.

Dilukshi and her parents went to her Dan Bula ?home? by car. Before reaching the village, Dilukshi described with excitement everything in the village, and even guided the driver on how to get to her ?home.? Her parents were really surprised. Eventually Dilukshi met with her parents, sisters and brothers of her past life. She was on her knees and burst into tears. The reunion in two lives made her parents feel both grief and joy. The onlookers were all touched by the scene. Dilukshi recognized her things, as well as the neighbors of her previous life. Professor Haraldsson noticed her demeanor also changed in this home. Her worries disappeared and she was not that stiff any more. It seemed that she was a lot happier and more carefree here.

Later, Dilukshi led Professor Haraldsson to the place where she was drowned in her past life. By a small river there was a big stone, and children often played there. Dilukshi said that she drowned there."

littlebitofthislittlebitofthat · 08/04/2013 14:21

so you are allowed to suspend your scepticism, but we aren't?

how is that right?

I believe in science.
I believe there are things yet to be discovered.
I believe there are things still needed to be invented in order to 'prove' what is, well, IS.

Why am I not allowed this open mindedness? Why am I wrong?

DioneTheDiabolist · 08/04/2013 17:07

The science neither supports nor disproves my beliefs on reincarnation. I don't have any strong feelings one way or another.

ChippingInIsEggceptional · 08/04/2013 19:28

Clarabella - yes it must be!! Well done finding it. Sorry about the 'Africa' red herring & I had thought it was thousands of miles, but... as I said, it was years ago.

Now watch seeker someone debunk it!

Grin

I do believe there is so much more to life & death than we will ever know in our lifetimes - I can't believe some people are so willing to dismiss others experiences and try to belittle them.

Twosugarsplease · 08/04/2013 19:43

chipping I agree with you there, clarabella's post of that story was fascinating, how could anyone not believe a child who can show so much recognition...? To me that is clearly evident these people mean something to him.

ICBINEG · 08/04/2013 19:45

The thing is as follows.

If you think about someone and then that person phones you, you get a little creeped out.

It's fine to experience this phenomenon (obviously given the number of people on the planet this kind of thing is going to happen alot, in fact it is going to happen to some people multiple times...ust plain old statistics at work).

It is fine to feel creeped out. Coincidence feels strange when it happens to you.

But it isn't fine to think this constitutes evidence of psychic powers. In order to produce evidence of psychic powers you would have to rule out coincidence being the most probable explanation.

Again it is fine to consider the possibility of psychic powers (and fun if you are a sci fi fantasy geek).

But it isn't fine to think they really exist based on something so nebulous and incredibly likely to happen in the absence of psychic powers.

The same is true of toddler stories. There are millions of toddlers telling hundreds of millions of random stories. Some of them are bound to turn out to match up with historic context the toddler could not have known. Therefore it requires something a lot less nebulous to demonstrate the actual existence of reincarnation.

Feel free to suspend your disbelief long enough for a quick 'ohhh the hairs stood up on my neck' but then do come back to reality afterwards...and please don't encourage your child to believe your initial irrational interpretation.

ATouchOfStuffing · 08/04/2013 20:05

How about kids that can see 'ghosts' - is it an attention thing? A friend's son used to always be pointing at people who had died; a cyclist through the window of the car, an old man in a top hat in my house etc etc. It got to the point she felt very spooked and started ignoring it completely in the hope it would stop, but he would sometimes chat away or be reduced to tears for seemingly no reason.
I remember my mum telling me I went on and on about how 'the king came over the mountain' and she thought I was on about Herad. I have always had suspicions I was actually confusing the lyrics of 'The bear came over the mountain' but then I don't remember telling her at all!

IndigoBarbie · 08/04/2013 21:30

Haven't read all threads yet, but just wanted to share this link

What about when it's not just toddlers who recall 'past lives' plenty of adults do too, and some of them even have the research to prove their prior existence.

ChippingInIsEggceptional · 08/04/2013 22:49

TwoSugars it has stuck with me for years, it was really really convincing.

ICE - how can you explain toddlers knowing about stuff that there's absolutely no way they could have found out about in this lifetime?

susiedaisy · 08/04/2013 22:54

Marking my place, fascinating thread!