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Christian Cv19 thread, anyone?

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StrawberryJam200 · 12/03/2020 07:49

I was surprised to see nothing on this board, and I don’t think there’s anything under the main Cv19 board either.

I’ve been getting quite concerned about this virus for weeks but trying not to get caught up in secular panic. I feel the need to pray with others about the situation, also to specifically witness to colleagues and my own teens at this time that my eyes are firmly fixed on things above. I confess, they haven’t been lately. I know Christians on here will have a range of reactions to the threat/situation/government response, let’s try to focus on Jesus though. Also to support those in ministry positions, who are going to face a variety of difficult choices and situations in the coming months.
(I might signpost on the CV board so people know about this thread.)
May God bless you all this day.

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picklemewalnuts · 12/03/2020 08:34

Hello Strawberry!

I'm off to Chapter shortly, where we will all need to exercise self control with the hugging greetings!

There are lots of interesting things to mull upon.

Is the plan here to talk about practicalities and prayer, and avoid stats/news etc?
I'm worried about the already isolated, and thinking about setting up some kind of ' virtual friendship' network locally. Telephone friends if you will.

JeannieTheZebra · 12/03/2020 10:07

Hi
I have pre existing conditions, including congenital heart defects. I’m supposed to be going to bible study tonight (5 to 10 of us in a friend’s house) and I’m thinking of cancelling. My church is very touchy-feely and I last went on Sunday; maybe I should miss that for a bit. I’m going to be very lonely though. I don’t work so I’m already pretty isolated. I’m really quite anxious about this, so prayers would be appreciated.

teapotter · 12/03/2020 10:21

It feels like we’re in limbo, waiting to see what comes next, and I haven’t got my head around how it ties into my faith. I’ve been busy all week sorting publicity for Easter outreach events. Flyers go out tomorrow, not sure if they’ll go ahead but I guess it’s good to keep trying. It’s going to be a strange Easter if there are no celebrations!

I’ve been focusing in prayer recently on not having to understand the whole picture but just being faithful to what God has given me to do in the moment. I’m feeling that’s very relevant now!

Not sure what else to do right now. Church have a group who deal with elderly/infirm so that is covered until they ask for more help. Nothing yet happening in the community and I’m not sure where/if to start. It all seems so distant but I know it can change quickly. I started praying for Italy with the kids yesterday but haven’t prayed with anyone else about it yet....

Just some ramblings, it’s good to hear others views too. Thanks for starting the thread @StrawberryJam200 Going to go and pray about it now rather than hitting refresh on the news again!

StrawberryJam200 · 12/03/2020 10:22

Absolutely JeanieTheZebra, will pray. Yes, picklemewalnuts, such as I had a plan when I started this thread (?!) I suppose it was practicalities and prayer. Only news etc if there was a specifically different Christian response to it or perspective on it, I guess.

I’m just glad someone has answered me, thank you.

Off to pray now.

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Madhairday · 12/03/2020 10:26

Hello! You're welcome to join us on the prayer/chat thread where we have been praying about this.

@JeannieTheZebra I completely understand, I'm struggling to know what to do as well as I have long term lung diseases. I am feeling v vulnerable right now. I think it's likely that at some point we will be advised to isolate if we have underlying conditions. Praying for you - for peace especially. There's so much anxiety, isn't there. Flowers

StrawberryJam200 · 12/03/2020 11:01

Thanks madhairday, I have just been looking at that thread. Yes, maybe we should direct specific prayer requests there, although if thoughts of prayer arise as we discuss the virus, that’s fine of course.

So let’s say this is more for discussion from a Christian POV.

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picklemewalnuts · 12/03/2020 13:18

@JeannieTheZebra, perhaps it's worth making sure you have people's phone numbers, working out who you can skype/FaceTime/ whatever the tech is called now.

There will be a lot of people feeling the same, and a friendly voice to chat to on a regular basis would be very popular, I'm sure.

At Chapter today, Area Dean asked us to remind people to be responsible for each other's safety- to be quick to remind people about gel and avoiding handshaking, and not to come out if you are under the weather.

iswhois · 12/03/2020 14:21

Jumping in as I've not seen another thread like this.

IthinkIsawahairbrushbackthere · 12/03/2020 14:49

My thoughts are more along the practical level. We live within walking distance of our church. My husband preaches most Sundays so if they close churches/public gatherings he and my daughter will probably go down to the church and stream him preaching.

We are a very small fellowship so it is easy to keep an eye out for each other and serve each other practically.

I'm praying for my mum as she is very frail and weak. She was close to death 9 months ago and am praying that this is not the way that God will take her.

I don't have any insight into what God is doing through it but I am holding on to the fact that God has not given us a spirit of fear but of power and love and a sound mind.

picklemewalnuts · 12/03/2020 15:21

I had an interesting chat today with a woman with a terminal cancer diagnosis. She's still ministering and will do until she feels too unwell. She said she'd prepared for her time shortening, and an end anytime in the next few years, and is now wondering if it's actually not going to look like that at all.

picklemewalnuts · 12/03/2020 15:24

And another possible implication, that wards will be closed to visitors and people won't have the chance to say goodbye. There will be an impact on gathering for funerals, and of course weddings.

There will be a lot of grief to manage, and indeed trauma.

We'll need wisdom, patience, and of course the endless love of Christ.

Madhairday · 12/03/2020 15:51

Yes you're right pickle about the knock on effects of it all. It could be huge, couldn't it. We need more than ever to step up and be the body of Christ out there. We'll, for me it will probably be in these 4 walls, but social media can be a wonderful thing...

I feel increasingly worried. As I'm only just recovering from double pneumonia I have little strength to fight. Still grappling with whether I should self isolate... I just don't know what to do. Even if I do ds could bring things in from school, DD from uni and dh from work (he's a vicar... So I imagine he's going to be very busy.)

I like the idea of live streaming the service.

StrawberryJam200 · 12/03/2020 20:46

Thanks for contributing everyone. The more I think about it the more I think we need to be praying for our church leaders, local and national.

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StrawberryJam200 · 12/03/2020 20:58

Noticing all the anxious people on other threads, there could certainly be a place for a “MN ministry team” of people digitally ‘going out’ and posting encouragement, love and peace in messages. At the moment I haven’t got time, although suppose I would have if we were in isolation! But actually, if I read less and posted more..... hmmm. Would need lots of prayer though and sensitivity, such polarised views around.

Just a thought, a way in which we can be the Body of Christ online. He has no other hands but ours, no other thumbs but ours!

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picklemewalnuts · 12/03/2020 21:33

Very true Strawberry.
MHD, I think you should self isolate- if you can cope with a degree of isolation and missing out. There are no guarantees, but you need to try!

This is an inspiring post from a vicar in my diocese:

Revd David writing about the coronavirus:

"I'm writing this around lunchtime on Thursday, and I’ve been checking the news every half hour (ok, let’s be honest, maybe every 5 mins) since this morning. It was announced when I woke up that the government will probably step up the virus response, but there are no more details so far. So I’ve read about a 90 year old powerlifter; I know about the shopping centres that are in danger of closing, but I don’t yet know what the government have decided.

The direct consequences of the virus itself on me are likely to be limited: I’m young, and healthy. I’m also very relieved that my children (both under 10) aren’t at a high risk. But I’m concerned for our wider family; parents and grandparents with underlying health issues. And I’m concerned for our congregation, many of whom are older. My mind does wander from time to time into thinking ‘when this is over, and the dust settles - who will I have had to say goodbye to?’

The other reason I’m concentrating on this is because of the potential effects on my work and my family. Are schools going to be closed? Will I have to stay home and look after the children? Will our church services be cancelled? There’s disruption in a new pattern. When you plan time off work to go on holiday it’s fun, but when you’re forced out of your usual routines unexpectedly, it can feel unsettling or anxiety-producing.

When a big crisis looms, it’s a natural human reaction to get tunnel vision. We get so focussed on the One Big Thing, that we can ignore lots of other things that also need our attention. Airline pilots are aware of this; when there’s an emergency in the cockpit, they have checklists of procedures to go through, which force them into taking a wide view of what’s happening. Otherwise, it’s perfectly possible for a pilot to concentrate so hard on re-starting the engine that’s cut out, that they don’t notice that the plane is taking a nosedive towards the sea.

St Mary Magdalene - The Parish Church - has been around for over 900 years. That means that it was here at the centre of Newark during the 3-day week in the 70’s; through rationing; through the Battle of Britain; through the civil war; the black death - and more. I find it a comfort to know that the place where we gather for worship each week is still here and standing after all of these major events. And it will still be here long after this current crisis is a faint memory. The church has been present as a place for christenings, marriages and funerals, for festivals and major events, and for a daily and weekly pattern of services and prayer which continue to this day.

This reminds me that there are other things going on in the world than this virus. Jesus said ‘when you hear of wars and rumours of wars, do not be alarmed. This must take place, but the end is not yet.’ If we don’t need to be alarmed about wars, we don’t need to be alarmed about a virus either. Yes, the potential number of deaths is significant; yes, those we love may be affected; yes there might be a disruption to our working or socialising patterns. But, that doesn’t mean it’s the only thing happening; it’s not all consuming, and it’s not the end of the world.

So what else is going on in your life that you need to pay attention to right now? What checklist do you have to ensure that you don’t get tunnel vision? What important things are in danger of getting crowded out by a crisis? For example: are you eating a healthy, balanced diet? Do the people closest to you know that you love them? Are you getting enough exercise? Are you caring for those who are vulnerable? Are you becoming a more honest and trustworthy person? Do you know that Jesus is with you, always? These things may sound like extra burdens, but by taking a broader view it can help us to feel less overwhelmed by something that seems all-consuming.

We have very little power to do anything about Covid-19. So, if we have enough information to make good decisions, and if we are washing our hands and not coughing on people, then let’s see what else we need to pay attention to, and that starts by paying attention to who we are, and how we’re treating those around us.

I hope that you know peace at this time, and that your life is full of the kinds of things that aren’t filling the headlines.

Revd David"

StrawberryJam200 · 12/03/2020 22:52

Thank you for that pickle, and Rev David, that’s the perspective I know I need to regain but have been finding it hard. I am a natural worrier. But we are commanded not to “worry about tomorrow”, and the Lord reminded me very recently of another time when that verse was extremely important for me... and how He brought my family through that time. Praise Him, the Rock of Ages.
Goodnight all. 🙏

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StrawberryJam200 · 12/03/2020 23:20

Can I ask for prayer for me, I now realise I am, quite simply, scared?

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poshme · 13/03/2020 00:06

Strawberryjam I am too,

But the thing from Rev David, about the church having been there for so long, and having been through so much. And the church is still here.

I'm very drawn to physical space, and our church building is very very old. I now have a strong desire to go there tomorrow and pray, and consider the thousands of people over hundreds of years who have been scared like us, who have prayed like us.

Be present, O merciful God, and protect us through the silent hours of this night, so that we, who are wearied by the changes and chances of this fleeting world, may repose upon thy eternal changelessness; through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen ,

StrawberryJam200 · 13/03/2020 07:08

Thank you. Our church meets in a school 😂 - but we do have a (modern) school chapel where I can go and reflect on the many troubles it has seen, and the many many answers to prayer.

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StonedRoses · 13/03/2020 07:42

I am a hospital doctor, likely to be on the front line and I am actually bricking it’s about what will come. I am expecting to be basically non stop work or sleep so no time for church.
I am finding using the CofE daily prayers a great source of comfort. Just reading a set prayer and then sitting quietly for a minute or two feels like I have some comfort. For me the formality of the set prayer allows me to relax and to just sit in his presence. What we all need to prayer for now is faith and trust through these anxious times, that our god will be with us and guiding those who are making the decisions.

picklemewalnuts · 13/03/2020 08:12

May the peace of the Lord, that passes all understanding, be with us and among us all, now and forever. Amen.

StonedRoses · 13/03/2020 08:59

This is a poem that George VI read to the nation during ww2. I think it resonant well now, especially that uneasy waiting

And I said to the man who stood at the gate of the year:
“Give me a light that I may tread safely into the unknown.”
And he replied:
“Go out into the darkness and put your hand into the Hand of God.
That shall be to you better than light and safer than a known way.”

StrawberryJam200 · 13/03/2020 09:42

Oh wow every time I read the messages on here now it makes me cry.... but in a necessary way, iyswim. I don’t know if I feel more vulnerable as already have very difficult situation with my children. But there are things to give thanks for, eg that God had prompted me to take the big step of getting help just a few weeks ago. I’d have probably postponed doing anything if the timing had been different. Praise His name.

That’s what we need to be doing, isn’t it - giving thanks for God’s blessings in all their forms? Psalms might be the place to go at this time.

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StrawberryJam200 · 13/03/2020 09:49

stonedroses thank you for all you are doing. Do you know other Christians at work that you can “be church” with, even if that only means a smile in a corridor?

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StonedRoses · 13/03/2020 10:15

I’m going to contact the chaplains and see what they can offer. I’m a fairly high Anglican so I prefer some form of communal formal worship - if only a prayer or so. Perhaps they could do daily prayers for staff in the chapel or similar? At this time any denominational or theological differences go out the window!!!