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No Church service on Easter Sunday- can someone explain?

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speakout · 02/04/2018 06:28

My mother has recently become a Mormon- was baptised a few months ago. Not my bag but I have been supportive and the church community have welcomed her.
But she is confused about their lack of enthusiasm for christmas and Easter. Our other local churches were busy all day on Easter Sunday, with three or four services each.
Mormon church was closed. No services at all in the past few days. Normal Sunday morning service was not running. I thought easter was a big thing for christians. Can someone explain.

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RhubarbYoghurt · 02/04/2018 17:58

Maybe Christians who believe it's possible to enter heaven even without baptism, but like to big up Christmas and Easter would have been more suitable for your DM?

Is there such a church?

My sister is baptist ( my mother used to be) and they seem pretty firm that my late father wouldn't get to heaven. That was the main reason my mother was baptised in LDS church.

Sorry to chuckle at this question.

I'm Salvation Army and we don't baptise people. We love Christmas and Easter. Christmas is our most hectic time of year.

speakout · 02/04/2018 18:07

*Sorry to chuckle at this question.

I'm Salvation Army and we don't baptise people. We love Christmas and Easter. Christmas is our most hectic time of year.*

I don't understand your point.

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picklemepopcorn · 02/04/2018 18:20

Quoting bits of lynettescarvo...

During a homily in Rome in May 2014, Pope Francis apparently said that God redeems everyone, not just Christians, but also atheists.

Personally I think no one on earth can tell you exactly who will and who won't get into heaven.

I'm with the Pope and Lynne. Who is to say when the judgement takes place, or that salvation takes place based on your belief and behaviour while on earth? God is outside time and place.

speakout · 02/04/2018 18:23

So what's with all the redemption stuff then? Or John 14:6?

Why do people bother if we all get a boarding pass?

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reddressblueshoes · 02/04/2018 18:30

Broadly speaking, all the Protestant churches tend to subscribe to 'faith and faith alone' - the way to eternal salvation is through belief.

Catholic belief is that good actions/deeds have an effect, so depending on how liberal your interpretation, if you are a very good person then even if you die not believing in god it doesn't necessarily rule you out from salvation. I think this is particularly the case if you were never catholic in the first place.

My understanding is the mormons don't actually believe anyone can go to heaven: what they do is they baptise people against their will/without their knowledge. So while your mother may have been told 'her whole family' including her dead husband and presumably you can go to heaven because she joined, in reality its because she has agreed to have you all baptised, whether you agree/want to or not. They don't need your consent, just hers. Personally, while I've known some lovely mormons, I find that really disrespectful. Its riding roughshod over the presumably sincerely held beliefs of your father. At least the other churches are more honest.

I actually think she may do better in a catholic congregation for some of what she wants, but it would be rare to find one as young and active as what you're describing, so in terms of social supports she's probably better where she is. But it seems strange to me she has embraced it so whole-heartedly yet still seems so confused about what it entails.

speakout · 02/04/2018 18:36

But it seems strange to me she has embraced it so whole-heartedly yet still seems so confused about what it entails.

Seems the case for most adherents of most religions though.

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gabsdot · 02/04/2018 18:37

To answer your question general conference is always on the first Sunday in April it always has been and is not changed for Easter.
Normal church doesn't happen because there is 10 hours of conference broadcast. Due to time differences we see it live at 5pm and 9pm on Saturday and Sunday but the Saturday meetings are repeated on Sunday morning and afternoon at the stake building for people who might miss them on Saturday. And a lot of people watch at home.
General conference is considered a priority that weekend so normal church is cancelled even at Easter. Personally I love general conference but I prefer normal church on Easter Sunday. But that's life.
And yes Easter is a big thing for Mormons.

speakout · 02/04/2018 18:40

Seems really odd to prioritise a conference above easter.

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MyDcAreMarvel · 02/04/2018 18:40

It’s not odd, because they are not Christians.

speakout · 02/04/2018 18:47

MyDcAreMarvel and your authority to determine that is what exactly?

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MyDcAreMarvel · 02/04/2018 19:13

It’s a fact, it’s not my opinion. They don’t believe in the Trinity, they don’t believe in salvation through Jesus alone. They are a cult.

mummyhaschangedhername · 02/04/2018 19:19

Because we had conference. So I'm fact we had 6 hours of church Sunday and 2 Saturday. But it was broadcast from Salt Lake City.

I haven't read the whole post, I feel a lot of hostility but I am very open about the good and bad in my religion so anyone feel free to ask me any questions.

The first statement I read about not being Christians. It depends how he define Christian, our church name is the church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter Day Saints, the entire thing is centred on christ, so in that sense we are, we don't worship Jospeh Smith, but do pay respect like we do to any prophet, current or historical, we only worships God and Jesus. As for the technical definition. Although we like to call ourselves Christians, I think official Christians believe in the trinity, whereas Mormons or Latter Day Saints, Don't, we believe God the father, Jesus Christ the son and the Holy Ghost/spirit are three separate entities although one in Purpose.

gabsdot · 02/04/2018 19:21

It's not like Easter was cancelled. In fact it was an extremely spiritually uplifting day. And Easter Sunday and the Resurrection of Christ was mentioned many times during the conference.

speakout · 02/04/2018 19:21

MyDcAreMarvel but mormons think they are christian. Seems you know better though.

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speakout · 02/04/2018 19:25

Yes, but an internet stream is no substitute for community.
And left a lot of people ( especially elderly ) isolated at this time that is important to them.

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mummyhaschangedhername · 02/04/2018 19:25

The majority of the conferences addresses were about Easter, so it wasn't a case of conference replacing Easter.

Our ideas of Heaven are a bit more complicated I suppose, we do believe most people will go to heaven, there is out of darkness/hell, although I think, least from my understanding that is going to be very few people. But within "heaven" there are degrees of glory, and those are more dependent on the way you lived your life. But heaven isn't inclusive for Mormons.

As for if it's a cult, how do you define cult? What do you think makes it a cult?

mummyhaschangedhername · 02/04/2018 19:31

I'm really sorry if your mum felt isolated, that's not right at all. The church should have been open, the majority of chapels in the UK are able to show conference and meant to be open. Just most members watch at home, some don't watch on the day and watch other times. It really sad to Hera your mum wanted to go and wasn't able to and felt isolated, I though all chapels were always open. Where does she live?

mummyhaschangedhername · 02/04/2018 19:33

Mydcaremarvel is in fact correct we are not really defined as Christian, we do mot believe in the trinity. Although for the most part people think Christian means followers of christ and in that sense we totally define ourselves that way. But from the actual definition no. But we are believers and followers of christ and we do use the bible.

speakout · 02/04/2018 19:35

mummyhaschangedhername my mother was fine, she was with us and spent the day eating chocolate.

She felt isolated from her church and her faith at a time that was important to her. I know some members of the congregation- many elderly, and many without family. I doubt they would have had the technology to watch the conference streaming.
And it was in the evening anyway- I can;t see why that called for a morning service cancellation.

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Jason118 · 02/04/2018 19:39

All religions could be defined as cults, depending on your damage threshold

mummyhaschangedhername · 02/04/2018 19:41

It runs all day due to time changes, although most watch the 5-7 and then catch up on others as and when able. Although many watch all of it.

I'm an ideal world, the bishop and other ward members should makes sure everyone has access it it and the church should be open the entire day, most do a "munch and mingle" type thing so it gets to be even more interaction, I think when it falls on the Easter a lot of families really enjoy spending the day at home mixing conference traction's and Easter traditions. It's something to be aware of though for those who perhaps don't have that same access to others. The chapel should have been open though.

speakout · 02/04/2018 19:43

Closed gates all day.

The bishop lives 70 miles away, so was probably happy to have the day off.

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mummyhaschangedhername · 02/04/2018 19:48

Jason - it does have potential to do harm I suppose, at least from my perspective. But then we know that the catholic church has done a lot of harm and yet isn't defined as a cult!

I think the issues from my perspective are that like most religions there isn't an effective way to raise a grievance and thankfully that doesn't need to happen often. But the big thing hitting Mormons this week was a case there someone was sexually assaulted by someone in "authority" and she reported it and no action was taken. The church did refer it to the police, but effectively took his word over hers. She recently obtained proof so it certainly shines a bad light on things. I am not sure how it should be handled, after all it was referred to the police but equally I have been and been an example of things not being handled properly and there isn't much scope for members to get a resolve.

However, anything in the world can be defined as a cult if we look at the actions of the few affecting the entire organisation. Do we call the police a cult? Any religion can be defined as a cult then and all government organisations.

The church has made massive changes this week to try and over come these problems and insist that all abuse claims are taken seriously and addressed, so watch this space. I think it's a positive step.

mummyhaschangedhername · 02/04/2018 19:51

Speak Out! That is such a shame! Your poor mum. I really annoyed for her. Especially as a new member. It's not acceptable that she was left without access to that, she will have access to it next month but it's not the same.

mummyhaschangedhername · 02/04/2018 19:55

As for the times and why they don't have regular church, it's because conference runs all day. 10-12 is the men's session, 1-3 Saturday afternoon (which is rebroadcast for us) then 5-7 is Sunday morning session and I think 9-11 is Sunday afternoon session. I can't stay awake for that one so don't know 😂 it's either 9-11 or 8-10.

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