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Christian prayer thread

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Dutchoma · 10/11/2016 07:34

Just starting a new thread without any embellishments so it doesn't run out.
Please add any concerns/witterings/names to it.
Love to you all.

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BlackeyedSusan · 08/12/2016 20:09

sensory overload... and that is just me.

(bumping on the floor, dropping a bag of coins down the wooden stairs right above me, arguing, running on the landing.... the squawking, (as in squaking noises) the banging... )

and I managed to clobber my head on the boot twice tonight.

library went ok tho' it was like pulling teeth to get dd to do her homework. and the decompression has not been too bad, (it certainly has been a lot worse)

just I am shattered and my tolerance levels have gone down considerably.

I post here to stop losing the plot at them.

going to get ds out the bath then go down the virtual pub for gin... we have tankers out the back delivering constantly. autism and christmas month at school do not a happy combination make.

nickelbabeinamanger · 08/12/2016 21:22

It scares me too.
I had a mini meltdown today.
At playgroup, we had a big breakfast and lots of things were different, and things just kept adding up until I couldn't cope. Thankfully I recognised it (just) in time and said to my friend who was helping me (she's quite a new friend so I'm still not at the stage where I can "boss" her about or tell her I'm not coping) "I'm sorry but I need to be left alone now"
She went off and I shut the door, stamped my feet and sat down. Then I realised I wasn't calming so I just cried. Until another friend (who I can bawl upon) knocked on the door to see if I was okay.
I was really proud of myself for realising I was getting overwhelmed, but I need to work on seeing it sooner because I did spook my new friend.
I've spoken to her since and explained what happened and thanked her for being supportive and understanding.

EddSimcox · 08/12/2016 21:53

Reading, praying for you all.

I thought this Advent Prayer was apt given the discussion above :)

Lord Jesus Christ,
who is, who was, and who is to come,
we pray for the virtue of hope,
that amidst the trials and difficulties
of this world,
we may keep our hearts fixed
upon you, who reigns over the cosmos.
May your grace enliven us,
strengthen us,
and defend us,
as we await your coming in glory. Amen

(David Bennett)

FlappysMammyAndPopeInExile · 08/12/2016 21:57

Thank you for this thread.

Can I selfishly ask for prayers for myself - under great stress at the moment, and need help in coming to terms with a really bad betrayal by two people I thought I could trust (this is NOT marital)

And for my daughter who needs a job.

Many thanks.

And I will hold all on here in my prayers.

FlappysMammyAndPopeInExile · 08/12/2016 22:12

People could not sort the sin for themselves so God came, in human form (jesus/bethlehem) to pay for the sin himself. The payment is death. Jesus was separated from his Father when he died. (did time out for us instead) The temple curtain was ripped in two from top to bottom to show that the most holy place was now somewhere where we can go because God has paid for the sin. (Jesus/Easter story etc)

I don't believe in the "payment" theory myself, Susan. God is good, and would not ask anyone to be punished for something they did not do (even when that someone is God in another person).

I believe that Jesus came, and continues to come, to bring the Good News of God's all-forgiving love to everyone in the world. As you say - God's Holiness is so great that humankind cannot survive contact with it (even Moses, tho whom "God spoke as with a friend" was not allowed to look upon the face of God. I imagine that it is similar to looking at the sun - just too much for human eyes.

Yes - Jesus did die for our sins, in the sense that if humanity had not sinned, Jesus would not have needed to come in human form. Jesus' death was the result of people rejecting that message, and of jealous people wanting to hang on to power, forcing his death. Jesus was prepared to risk himself and to pay the ultimate price. He could have run away - lived out his life in obscurity somewhere. He was/is as human as anyone else - but he knew that to bing God's message he had to show that he totally trusted God, no matter what terrible things happened to him. And too he died publicly and horribly - and was resurrected three days later. (Lots of significance here, but too much for small children to take in.)

The temple curtain ripped to show that God had entered the world, and was no longer separate from humankind. We do not need a priest to communicate with God - we can have a personal relationship through Jesus Christ.

(Well, that's how I see it.)

CocoaX · 10/12/2016 06:13

guinnessgirl, I am sorry, I have been meaning to come back and add prayers for your friend, she has been in my thoughts along with everyone on this thread Flowers Your post was now a few days ago and I am praying that everything went well and that she is recovering.

FlappysMammy, I add my prayers for you too, and for your daughter. It is hard to feel let down by others and I pray that you have enough other support. This may not be comparable, but I felt very much let down by someone last year, and someone said to me not to get caught up in judging, but to approach it from a place of compassion that they had done what they needed to do to cope. I found this very hard advice to take, as the let downs left me under a lot of pressure (work-related), but I do now know why they acted as they did. And it was a coping mechanism. It didn't help me, but neither did anger. Whatever has happened, I pray that you will come to terms with it.

Sympathies to those with sensory overload, this is an issue with DS and needs careful managing.

I don't think I have the wherewithall to join in the theological discussion, but I have read along and I also appreciate the Advent prayers people have posted. Insomnia is back - DS has his first contact with his dad today after many months, and i am hoping that his dad will maintain appropriate boundaries and DS manages. Exhaustion will not help me cope with this, but I have given up on trying to sleep. I am looking forward to tomorrow, or even this evening.

Lissettethehallswithholly · 10/12/2016 13:16

I hope the meeting between ds and your ex went well Cocoa and try to take it easy.

I enjoyed reading the theology but with the added demands of Christmas organisation I'm not up to contributing either!Xmas Grin My head is full!

It reminds me of a Tolstoy story about a Russian bishop who goes to a remote island to visit three humble hermits. He finds that they are lacking in theological understanding or a basic grasp of prayers so he sets about teaching them as he is quite horrified by their lack of knowledge. When he is leaving, they chase after him. It is apparent that they have forgotten all the prayers he has taught them. When asked how they usually pray, they reply:'God, there are three of us and there are three of you: have mercy on us!'. The Bishop left them in peace, content that they had the essence of what was important without all the complexities of long prayers.

Thinking of Guinnessgirl's friend too. I do hope the surgery went well.

Orchidflower1 · 10/12/2016 15:39

Praying for all.

I think it's interesting to hear all the explanations- I'm not brave enough or bright enough to offer anything ekse other than I know God loves me.

Please pray for me and my family- dh out on his christmas do. Those of you who've seen my other posts will know despite any ups and downs- I HATE being on my own or with dh out at night. Please pray my anxiety is calmed and we are all safe and calm - thanks

Lissettethehallswithholly · 10/12/2016 16:52

To be honest Orchid I think that is a brilliant explanation and one I happy to hold on to.

Will be thinking if you tonight while dh is out. Advent is about waiting and I hope you find peace while waiting. You will be safe. I often put the radio on when dh is away as I find it great company. We are here too Xmas WinkXmas Smile. I have cleaned the room with the Christmas tree and painted. Tree goes up tomorrow afternoon!

Lissettethehallswithholly · 10/12/2016 16:53

Sorry meant 'I am happy...:

FlappysMammyAndPopeInExile · 10/12/2016 17:59

Cocoa - thank you for your thoughtful comments. I hope your DS's meeting with hid dad went well, and that you are all feeling safe and happy tonight.

Orchid - I think we all have our own thoughts and explanations of God, and Jesus' message and the Trinity, and until we meet God after death, none of us will know what is right (possible none - possibly all Smile) I think,asothers have said, that the important thing is that we know that we are all held in the loving arms of caring and compassionate God.

Many lovely prayers and thoughtful comments on this thread.

Madhairday · 10/12/2016 18:06

Praying for you tonight, Orchid Flowers may you know peace and calm.

Nickel sounds like that was really hard. Those kind of situations must be tough but glad you have friends around who support you and understand.

Flappys, welcome and prayers for you. I love a theology discussion and appreciate your input. Atonement theories are interesting aren't they! You might enjoy our chat thread. Come and join in!

I do think that substitutionary Atonement is a valid position but perhaps not as it has been traditionally understood. There is something in realising that God loves us so utterly that God's prepared to take pain upon Godself, and to some extent punishment. But I'm not sold on it. I quite like the Christus Victor interpretation if you've come across that? Basically the death of Jesus occurred so he could be resurrected and demonstrate God's victory over death. Pretty cool..

Anyway enough theology for a Saturday night!

Lissettethehallswithholly · 10/12/2016 18:16

I enjoyed that MHD and understood the theology discussion now between all the posts. Must be the restorative effects of tea!

CocoaX · 10/12/2016 19:39

Well, no, he is pushing boundaries and I ended up a howling mess in the car after we left pick up pointSad. How am I going to cope with this? He is doing something next week which he has the legal right to do but is beyond agreed contact, right on my doorstep, so to speak. And this is how it will be, the whole time.

But yes, I am going to rest and reflect and pray. Thoughts and prayers for you Orchid.

I am still standing on the ground, I am still breathing, DC home with me. I am crying. But that is okay.

FlappysMammyAndPopeInExile · 10/12/2016 20:05

Thank you Madhair

I'll have a look for the thread Smile

Orchidflower1 · 10/12/2016 20:31

Praying for you cocoax.
Glad dc home safely. Sometimes crying makes you feel better after.

Watching rubbish on TV, eating popcorn, praying and listening to short medidations from time to time.

Tuo · 10/12/2016 22:52

Praying for all. Have been (briefly, but busily) out of the country with only very sporadic internet access, and also feeling a bit under the weather, hence my quietness. (Feeling OK again now, though, so it seems to have been something and nothing...)

Here is a prayer for us all:

In the centre of our waiting
the seeds of our salvation are announced in small signs,
in small kindnesses, in humble courage,
in lives of fragile hope, in faithfulness.
God is not defeated.
Life is more powerful than death.
This we believe.
From this we will live.
Amen

(Dorothy McRae-McMahon, Prayers for Life’s Particular Moments, SPCK 2001)

Lissettethehallswithholly · 10/12/2016 23:04

Lovely prayer Tuo, thank you. How completely frustrating Cocoa, praying that he sees sense.

Sounds like a well planned and calm night Orchid, breathe deep.

Orchidflower1 · 10/12/2016 23:21

Thanks lissette~ feel a bit sick now from popcorn and sweetie combo-. In bed now- v tired but don't want to go to sleep until dh home- will feel more settled but struggling to stay awake.

Madhairday · 11/12/2016 08:57

Praying, cocoa Flowers

CocoaX · 11/12/2016 09:48

Thank you Flowers. I am more collected this morning. Yesterday was always going to be hard but I didn't expect the issue thrown in next week (at least, not as clearly as I should have, I firefight day to day, he plans). I am praying to focus on the good in the world and the good I can do. In many ways, I am blessed, we could still be together, he could be here right now dictating the mood - so I won't let that happen in his absence. God give me strength. It is Advent, much to be joyful about, including the kindness of internet friends and strangers.

Orchid hope you are okay this morning.

Praying for you all on this thread and for lurkers and all those in need of God's love and support.

Orchidflower1 · 11/12/2016 16:04

Glad you're feeling better today cocoax
Have got - I think - uti again so feeling rubbish and tired. We were supposed to buy tree today but didn't feel up to it. It's not gone down well with dc and dh

CocoaX · 11/12/2016 21:56

Prayers for healing Orchid and for understanding from your family.

Tuo · 11/12/2016 23:33

O Lord Jesus Christ,
who at your first coming sent your messenger
to prepare your way before you:
grant that the ministers and stewards of your mysteries
may likewise so prepare and make ready your way
by turning the hearts of the disobedient to the wisdom of the just,
that at your second coming to judge the world
we may be found an acceptable people in your sight;
for you are alive and reign with the Father
in the unity of the Holy Spirit,
one God, now and for ever. Amen.

Prayers for all on this thread; especially those who are worried, ill, anxious, depressed, or grieving.

Orchidflower1 · 12/12/2016 15:19

Please pray I feel better soon. After phone consultation doc has given me antibiotics for uti. Dh says he's fed up of me being ill.