Tarot help - any experts?

[drLu]

Not sure if I have posted in the right place but here goes....

I got a pack of cards years ago and a really good book. I would often ask questions and the cards would come up with pretty accurate readings. Even if I didn't want them to be right they later proved to be.

Anyway, I still use them many years later. Most recently to ask if our horrid, old abusive neighbours will be moving. (They are retired and hate living next to a family. This is the third spring they have put house on market). Everytime I ask if they will move this year I get The page of cups. I just can't work out the meaning.

Any help?

Why don't you move?

Why on earth should we?! We love our house,the kids are in an outstanding primary and we are surrounded by friends. They are much more upset by the noise of our normal day to day life. They are bullies who made the last people move and I'm not being pushed out. If they don't move that's fine but I just wondered if my card meant they would sell this time.

drLu I know this is not what you asked (and I am sorry about your issues with the neighbours) but I think Tarot cards are a very dangerous activity. I am not sure where the power for such cards comes from but I don't feel it is a healthy positive power. It has not helped you in any way to resolve the issue with the neighbours or told you when they will move.

Feel free to ignore me, of course, but I just wanted to say as I have known people in the past involved in this type of thing and it was not a positive experience for them.

Hope the neighbours do move or that you and they iron out your differences. All the best.

I think you're going about this the wrong way. You need to do everything you can on the physical level before turning to anything like this to answer your problem for you.
Next time you use the Tarot try this:
Concentrate on the problem as you lay out your spread. Use each card and the interpretation to allow you to think the problem through in detail and let yourself consider possibilities you may not have thought of. Tarot is a tool to use, it doesn't do the job for you.
It's better to use it as a type of meditation aid rather that a quick fix.

Btw, this way was taught to me a by someone who follows a Druidic path, I tend more towards Wicca and the Celtic path.

Italian - there is nothing sinister about tarot cards. They evolved from playing cards in the middle ages, initially as a game, and only took on divinatory significance in the C18th. You can use a normal deck of cards in much the same way.

DrLu - the cards can't tell you your future or predetermine your neighbour's actions. What they can do is, like Ploppy has explained, act as a tool to focus on aspects of your life. The meaning of the card may show you a different way of looking at a problem. You could just as well use runes, entrails, the flight patterns of birds or anything else that you could possibly ascribe meaning to.

The page of cups can symbolise someone who looks at thoughts and fantasies without feeling a need to act. If you want to read anything into that, i would interpret it as saying that instead of waiting for your problem to magically evaporate by your neighbours moving, you need to look to yourself to do what you can to improve the situation - maybe a bit of tolerance and understanding for how they may feel, or if they really are complete ogres then finding a way to reduce their impact on your life.

OneEggIsAnOeuf it does seem as if people believe that Tarot cards can tell the future and if so where do they think the power for that come from. I would say that power, if it exists, does not come from a good source. This is from my own perspective which, of course, you and the OP are welcome to disagree with.

The cards have no power, other than that which an individual chooses to give to them. People are free to believe what they like about them - it doesn't make it true, and it is their own fear and erroneous beliefs that has the power, not the cards. Have a google about their history - there really is nothing more to be scared of than in a game of snap.

OneEggIsAnOeuf I am not scared of them personally. I won't be using them. I'm a Chrisrtian and don't want to try and work out the future etc. I think there seems to be different ways of using the cards. Wickepdia says "Tarot reading is belief in using cards to gain insight into the past, current and future situations by posing a question to the cards, i.e. cartomancy...... believe they are guided by a spiritual force, while others... believe the cards help them tap into a collective unconscious or their own creative, brainstorming subconscious." Clearly they mean different things to different people and if there is a spiritual force is it good or bad, I would not want to dabble in it and I know the OP won't share my views but I wanted to share them as the cards don't seem to be 'answering' her issue anyway.

Basically instead of expecting a few pieces of card to solve the problem do something using your own logic and reason.

Italian I'd love to see the evidence you have that tarot cards had any supernatural capabilities. They're just pieces of card. There no more demonic than Uno.

I have no evidence, headinhands. But people don't use Uno to try and tell the future.

Either tarot cards tap into a supernatural realm or they don't. There's no evidence that they do (or that there even is one). I'm curious why you think they are dangerous? What's the danger?

In the past people clearly believed that divination was drawn from divine power (hence the word). These days most practitioners either see no spiritual dimension at all or believe that we are tapping into our subconscious (individual or collective) in some way. Of course there will still be the odd person who thinks something else is going on, but then in any area there are people who believe all manner of weird. It is generally only the church that thinks there is something satanic, for want of a better word, about it.

To be able to look into the future you have to believe that everything is already predetermined, and that we are just automatons shuffling through our roles. I certainly don't believe that. Do you? Using tarot as a meditative aid is all about empowerment and thinking through decisions, not uncovering what is already writ, because nothing is. In this instance i think tarot is not the issue anyway - the op needs to be taking practical steps to deal with the situation. There's no point asking what the neighbour will do - the cards only have any meaning in relation to what you may choose to do.

headinhands You asked I'm curious why you think they are dangerous? What's the danger? was that directed at me? Sorry OP I do not want to derail your thread.

I do think that there is a spiritual realm to life, as a Christian I would be pretty shaky if I did not! I believe there is a spiritual realm and that would include an evil spiritual realm as well. I personally believe it is not right to try and see into the future and so it is not something 'divine' but negative. And that in doing it a person is (for want of a better word) tapping into negative forces. I don't feel it has a helpful outcome for people and clearly for the OP has not provided the answer they need.

OneEggIsAnOeuf I don't believe the future is all planned out for sure for each person.

You do not have to believe that everything is all planned out for us in order to believe that it may be possible to see into the future. Maybe we can all make our own free will choices but someone does know what those choices are in advance, because they are outside of time. For me that person would be God, but I believe God tells us not to try to see into the future ourselves, that it is not helpful, this is the main reason why I feel it is not right to do it. This is a personal view.

Clearly, some people try to see into the future, so I guess some people must believe that either it is all set out or believe that someone or some force outside of time can assist them to see it. From what the OP said, they do seem to think that the cards can give them some clue as to when their neighbours may move and so they obviously seem to hold this view, which is what I was responding to, and for the reason I just said above and to headinhands.

Happy to discuss this but do not wish to derail drLu's thread - apologies drLu. I do agree with others that the power to sort this problem lies with you and not in the cards.

Sorry DrLu if I have offended you.

(If seeing the future is so bad for us why is one of the gifts of the spirit prophecy? 1 Corinthians 14v1 Follow the way of love and eagerly desire gifts of the Spirit, especially prophecy.(Thankfully there's no more evidence for an evil spiritual realm as a divine spiritual realm))

But surely Tarot is only potentially dangerous to christians. It's to do with satan isn't it- which is a christian invention anyway.

For the rest of is it doesn't matter.

Headinhands if God chooses to reveal things to us that is his choice. Actually, the meaning of prophecy in the Bible is more about God revealing specific things about situations or people rather than what will happen in the future. Sometimes prophecies were made about what could happen, things changed and they did not happen, so it is not about fortune telling so much as speaking the things on God's heart, in part, but it is a much bigger subject, maybe one for a thread! although I will warn you I know very little about this topic so you may (metaphorically) batter me with it!

Headinhands I can certainly not provide you with any evidence for the existence of a spiritual realm, evil or good, neither can you provide any evidence that it does not exist. I think we have danced this dance before!

However, I can tell you I have met people who have 'dabbled' in the 'occult' including ouija boards etc and have been very damaged by it. So whether it is an evil spirit or their own concious that has caused the harm I would say it was not a positive experience. To some degree I would include Tarot cards in this subject.

Headinhands If you would like to debate with me, please do, please start a new thread and I will join you, and we can include drLu to join us, I just fear I am derailing drLu's thread and I would rather not so I will post about this any more unless drLu asks me to.

combusti Satan is mentioned in the Old Testament, which is the Hebrew scriptures, also in the New Testament and I am pretty sure he is mentioned in the Koran. He is not therefore limited to only Christians in terms of which religions 'believe' in him (although, of course, not all Jews, Christians or Muslims will believe in him). Many religions probably have an idea of evil personified. Also, as a Christian I don't just think what I believe applies to me, that would be the hight of self absorption! But of course, respectfully, all are entitled to their own beliefs. As I said above, I don't want to de-rail the thread any further.

Sorry correction... "so I will not post about this any more unless drLu asks me to.

Satan and tha dualistic nature of good and evil is a construct of Abrahamic religions- Judaism, Islam and Christianity. Is is simplistic and helps to herd the masses.

In other faiths, polytheism for instance the idea of evil is more complex. Hunduism for instance has the goddess Kali. Named the goddess of destruction, she can kill, has anger ( not unlike the christian god in the old testament) but like fire and flood has the power of transformation and new life. She is also a protector of her children who she guards with her life.

Some interesting thought here silver-fish.hubpages.com/hub/Who-is-the-Devil

Italian, if you're making the claim that something exists it's your job to provide the evidence, it's not my job to disprove it. Think of it like this, if I said I had found a unicorn do people have to believe me until someone disproves it? Isn't it more logical for you to ignore my claims until you see proof? If we accept what anyone says as true without evidence because no one has disproved it then intellectually we have to believe everything anyone has ever claimed that hasn't been disproved otherwise we make a mockery of our own reasoning.

Head, if Italian was insisting that you believe what they believe, then I agree that they should prove it to you. Is Italian asking that you believe too?

Dione, Italian said that people have been 'very damaged' by the occult /ouija boards. If I said people were being 'very damaged' by Monopoly wouldn't you want some data or evidence?

That Italian wasn't addressing me is by the by. Would you only pull me up on making groundless claims if I was talking to you? I'd hope not.

You've got to hand it to these religious types. Invent a devil then scare yourself with it. Love it. It's a bit like finding a way to tickle yourself.