Exactly what will happen upon my demise

[DoctorTwo]

You will have noticed the title is a statement not a question. What is certain to happen is you lot and all this will cease to exist.

I'm not trying to be mean, but that's just the way it is.

Maybe it's hard to conceptualise omniscient if you haven't even stretched your own consciousness

Have you managed it Numpty? How did you stretch your own consciousness? What is your concept of omniscient?

Dione, I have engaged with you on these boards before, and all you seem to do is ask a series of questions. I'm not sure, to be honest, how much that contributes to the debate.

I also read and carefully consider the answers Curlew. One doesn't always have to debate. I am interested in philosophy and people. I don't feel the need to always argue or try to change people's minds.

Do you only come here to debate? To what end?

I'm sorry if you think that Numpty's answer wouldn't contribute to this discussion. I thought she said something really interesting and asked her to expand on it. I'm a bit , and a bit that you think her answer would not add anything to the discussion.

To the contrary, I think Numpty's contributions are informed, thoughtful,intelligent and thought provoking.

Then I'm not really sure why you think my asking the question contributes nothing to the discussion.

possibly because she can detect PA stonewalling crap from a mile off like me.

well done on closing down an interesting discussion between people exploring their beliefs and views about life though. i guess you only see such discussions as the right of the religious?

you are mistaken Numpty. I asked you a genuine question and am looking forward to your answer.

I am always fascinated by people's views of consciousness/god/afterlife. I think because it is deeply personal and as I said above, I am interested in people and philosophy.

Where I will comment on rights and wrongs, is where people are deemed other/lesser and more importantly, dangerous.

I understand that the question I asked you may be difficult to answer, but I would love to hear that answer.

Also I can't understand why you think that me asking a question = stonewalling. Perhaps if you were to ask me questions, you wouldn't have to incorrectly guess what I am thinking.

it's not obligatory that i interact with you. i'd rather not.

I respect your decision Numpty.

This is fascinating! My experience of these discussions is of writing long and thoughtful posts that are either ignored or else subject to glib rejoinders that show that the other person has either misunderstood or chosen to misconstrue what I've written. My experience is that the atheists who post here go over the same ground repeatedly, and refuse to engage with attempts to shift the terms of the 'discussion'.

And this is indeed what has happened here. Numptynamechange (and others) have taken great exception to DionetheDiabolist asking them a question about what I think Numptynamechange must have seen as a very clever thrust, that is, 'maybe it's hard to conceptualise omniscient if you haven't even stretched your own consciousness'. Now, I don't understand what Numptynamechange meant by that. That may be because Numptynamechange's posts aren't very well written, and quite often don't make grammatical sense. But it may be because s/he was saying something important that s/he didn't express quite as clearly as she might, and that could be clarified. As I understand it, DionetheDiabolist was trying to get her/him to do so.

I don't understand why this was so offensive, and why it was 'stonewalling crap' and 'closing down a discussion'. It seemed like a reasonable question to me. But perhaps Numptynamechange only likes it when s/he gets to put believers under the spotlight of her/his scorn -- not when s/he gets asked about her/his own beliefs?

god so i'm a bad writer who doesn't make sense now cheers for that.

i'm not interested in having a religion v atheism discussion. i had gotten caught up and interested in talking to a few people who were saying stuff that interested in me but had zero interest in talking apologetics.

and your post is really nasty and pa too. blimey. if this is what the 'believers' are like i'll hang out with the nice heathens

i wonder if we could set up a philosophy thread that was for non religious people - if we put 'support' in the title do you think we could be left to have a conversation?

There is one I had to go several months back to find it but you could get it going again Any other atheists around?. I apologise for being passive aggressive, and for annoying you. I'm not sure you recognise how aggressively you come over either. It's very hard to debate in a civilised way when you can't see the other person and hear their tone of voice. (I suppose that's why people use smilies .) Perhaps we should let the thread die after all it was started by someone who wasn't interested in listening to anyone else.

i wasn't debating - i was talking to people who interested me. apparently badly, incomprehensibly and with poor grammar.

i'm not even an atheist proper by the way. i just don't like the pharisees.

Dione, you are being disingenuous. You has a history of this constant stream of questions to which you does not respond- just move on to the next question.

And your first (I think) contribution on this thread- where you asked the OP why she had not posted on "bereavement" - shows that you have an unacknowledged agenda of some sort.

I can assure you that I have no unacknowledged agenda Curlew, I clearly acknowledged my agenda in my previous posts on this and other threads. It is this: I will challenge any post I see that deems people of different faiths/beliefs, lesser or dangerous.

So why did you suggest that the OP post on "bereavement"?

Because the OP wrote: "There is no need to fear death. ..... But to dress it up with the whole afterlife bollocks is damaging and childlike."

And it pissed me off.

I'm guessing that when the OP wrote this, they were not dealing with the impact of a terminal diagnosis. Nor do I think they have been recently bereaved. And I thought that calling those who are currently living with such things "childlike" and "dangerous" just because they get strength from beliefs different to the OP, pretty disgusting.

The OP did not talk about religion or god. The OP talked about people's beliefs at the most difficult times in their lives.

And it pissed me off.

I felt how dare the OP pass judgement on something as personal as another's grief or death.

I meant to say those facing impending death.

So you are "guessing" about the OP's personal circumstances- and by implication saying that "there are no atheists in a foxhole"

And also saying that she should censor her beliefs and statements on a general philosophy/religion thread because she would not make the same statements on a "bereavement" thread.

And in the face of this you still told Numpty that you are not trying to shut down debate.