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Islam - What do you think?

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ChaCha · 26/06/2006 18:56

Hello everybody,

I've been posting on MN for years and have met some lovely people on here. I am a practising Muslim, have been for around 6 years and chose this way of life for myself after much soul searching.
I recently met up with some ladies from my PN group here and not an eyelid was batted about my headscarf or the obvious fact that I am a Muslim. We have been chatting online for a year and a half and it has never been an issue.
It shows me that we can live in a tolerant society and that our own beliefs do not need to be forced upon others. I have found the inner peace that I was looking for for so long and this has prompted meto ask the following:

  1. What makes you happy/content in life? What/Who do you turn to when you've had a really bad day? Do you often think about death and how does it effect your day to day life?

  2. What comes into mind when you see a woman wearing a headscarf and how do you view Islam?

    My thoughts for the day. Thank you. Off to change nappy x
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Kelly1978 · 27/06/2006 17:34

I used to associate niqab, and men that wore full muslim style dress with more hard core and be more wary. It was only when living in a multicultural area and interacting on a day to day basis that I got over my prejudices. I was tsken aback though when someone would come up to me and share a joke or whatever, and then sort of realise that we weren't really so different.

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Jimjamskeepingoffvaxthreads · 27/06/2006 19:48

BAck to the original

  1. Yes I'm pretty content, usually happy, quite often bad tempered Bad day? Dh, or my mum, or a I ring a particular friend. I think about death a lot, mainly because my eldest son is severely autistic and I worry about what will happen to him when I'm gone.

  2. I don't really notice headscarves. I taught a lot of muslim students when I was working in London and sometimes we'd discuss religion/culture (they were generally 19+). One of my Iranian students said that she hated having to cover up in Iran because she said no-one bothered to wash their hair (!!) I remember being quite surprised when one student started wearing a headscarf out of the blue, but I just assumed she was quite devout. Her class of 5 included a jewish boy who sometimes seemed to forget who else was in his class so I had to mediate at times.

    Now I live in quite a monocultural area, so the only person I know who wears a headscarf was an Iraqi mum from ds1's old school. The headscarf didn't really register with me, but I used to ask her about her family in Baghdad (post GWII) and was frankly horrified by what I heard.
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Pinotmum · 27/06/2006 20:44

I'm happiest when those around me that I love and care about are happy.

I have been attending college this year with the majority of students (all female) being Muslim. I am sorry to say that I have found many of their opinions rather strange and confusing at times.

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stitch · 28/06/2006 08:44

spidey, your post of 12.33, OUCH
will write more later as must go drop kids off at school now.

mum teaches at a girls university in saudi arabia. inside the entrances, of which there are many, there is a cloakroomish type building/room depending on how big the particular entrance is and the girls, staff, anyone are not allowed out of it wearing the ful hijab. it MUST be removed.. the reasons for this are obvious, securtiy, etc,
so anyone who wants an id card in the west wearing a veil is just being an annoying little child.

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stitch · 28/06/2006 08:47

atheism is practically a religion itself, if practiced by someone who has thought aboutit, as opposed to someone who just cant be bothered with organised religion

personal attacks on the men who inspired the religions are not acceptable imo. say all you want about christianity, judaism, islam etc. but lay off jesus, moses, mohammed, noah, buddha, krishna etc etc etc.

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bloss · 28/06/2006 08:55

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stitch · 28/06/2006 09:58

bloss, i think that a discussion of a persons character should be fine, as long as it doesnt become derogatory for the sake of it. ie no name calling etc.
just cathing up with this thread, but being called down to the kitchen. will be back later.

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bloss · 28/06/2006 10:11

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ameli · 28/06/2006 10:13

things that make me happy:

tidy house, when i walk in.
my sons smile
still being in love with dh, after 8 years.
achieving good grades at uni.
being kind to people.
when people are kind to me.

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saadia · 28/06/2006 10:14

bloss, I have tried to avoid joining this thread but must say that you shouldn't just rely on Britannica for your info. There is a biography of the Prophet by Martin Lings which is very in-depth and informative and will probably provide info that Western sources might not have access to.

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ameli · 28/06/2006 11:06

i am a muslim, i do not wear hijaab, but have the utmost respect for those who do. In my understanding the hijab is not a symbol of oppression but for the protection of the muslim women. I wish i had the guts to wear it and sometimes i really want to....but my own shallowness and love of doing hair makeup etc takes over.

Ladies, consider this question. How do you feel when you are wearing like a sexy dress or tight top and the men are learing at your boobies? I know that sometimes it makes me very uncomfortable, to be viewed as a sex object and not the person who i am. I'm not flattering myself, or saying that im sexy or gorgeous, just that it makes me uneasy sometimes the way men try to undress you with their eyes. I think the whole point of hijaab is to ensure that men lower their gaze, for the protection of woman. Am i right Saadia? my sis wears full niqaab, i know that you are not required to wear the full thing and that it is optional. When she first started wearing it, thne family had a lot of issues with it and actually wanted her to take it off. I respect her so much for wearing it and all those that do. The hijaab is a symbolic for muslim women and all women are told to wear it in the quran , for their own safety. I know that this may be difficult for non muslim women to understand, please try. If you look at the reasons they are logical. Although you have to look behond the hijaab in abstarct terms, there is so much more to islam as a religion and way of life. I am so happy to be a muslim, i hope that one day i will have the strength of imaan not only to wear hijaab, but to pray more and be a better muslim than i am now.

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slug · 28/06/2006 11:12

As an athiest I don't feel the need to fill my day with ritual. However, meditation is known to have health benefits, so if you meditate by sitting quietly or by praying, it seems to me to be a healthy thing to do. I don't think about death at all, it dosen't bother me really, possibly because I'm not frightened about what happens after.

I have a degree in religions, and majored in Islamic studies, so while I have some knowledge of Islam, it is probably very different from that of a practising muslim. Academically, the study of a religion focuses on its antecedents, its emergence, its history and its major thinkers. So while I could quote from Al Ghazali, Ibin Sina and Rabiya, most practising muslims I know just look at me blankly when I discuss the evolution of written arabic from the classical period to today and how the absence of vowell dots in the early written form makes it difficult to be precisely sure what some sections of the Quran actually say (hence the 'dark eyed houris' vs 'white rasins' controversy of late). I like to keep them on their toes.

I have many muslim friends because I work in a predominantly muslim environment. What I find is there seems to be a confusion between culture and religion. For example, I often find when dealing with elderly muslim men that I have to take a male colleage with me as they find it difficult ot take serioulsy a woman who works. Now the prophet's first wife was a known businesswoman. If it's good enough for the prophet it should not be an issue for his followers. However, the culture that these men come from places women in a decidedly secondary position. They justify it in terms of religion, but it's not really.

My feelings on the veil are mixed. Firstly, there is only one reference in the Quran to veiling and then it is only directed towards the prophet's wives. As a pale skin celt who suffers from earache in the cold, I'm often seen out and about with a veil, it's practical. However, I have difficulty with men in muslim countries who treat any woman who does not veil with contempt, as I've encountered quite a few times in my travels. It strikes me that the problem with written constitutions and religions is that they are appropriate for the time and place when they are written, but times change and because they are written, they cannot be changed. A (non-religious) example of this is the American right to bear arms that is written into the constitution. Now while it may have been appropriate when the constitution was written, the result of having the right 'graven in stone' as it were can be seen in the murder statistics. The same could be said about the status of women in Islam. For a tribal culture, it may be appropriate for men to be designated carers of the more vulnerable women and the assumption that women need only inherit half that their brothers do as they are cared for by husbands/brothers may have some merit. But the world has moved on. The religion invests much in the revelaed and unchanging nature of the Quran, hence the clash.

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slug · 28/06/2006 11:14

Ameil, I've always wondered what women have to be protected from by wearing the veil? Is it men? If so, what protects them from the lustful gaze of women? Or why can't men just be grown up enough to keep their eyes to themselves? Is it not a bit of a case of victim blaming?

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Kelly1978 · 28/06/2006 11:17

but don't some islamic men find the veil attractive? It's often said that the mystery of something hidden is mroe appealing than a lot of bare flesh on display. It confuses me, I don't understand the arguement that it is to put men off.

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bloss · 28/06/2006 11:41

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ameli · 28/06/2006 11:41

no, its not a case of victim blaming. You are quite right that women can also be attracted to each other however the nature of attraction, in my opinion is different. Kelly, i agree that men may find veiled women attractive, however you said it yourself it will be a mystery to them what the women actually looks like. A mystery only intended to be solved by the husband of the women, which is why the women who covers is special and unique. Not oppressed. Anyway even christian women back in history were required to dress modestly, so its not just something that stems from islam, but other religions to.

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ameli · 28/06/2006 11:42

too

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ameli · 28/06/2006 11:43

im not an expert on islam, thanks for correcting me though.

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bloss · 28/06/2006 11:58

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saadia · 28/06/2006 12:28

ameli I must admit that I don't know much about the reasons for wearing the hijaab. But I do know that when I lived in Egypt for a year wearing it made life so much easier. For myself it gave me anonymity and I was able to go out and about much more freely and avoid unwanted attention.

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ameli · 28/06/2006 12:34

yes i can understand that. My friend use to wear hijaab, she got married moved away and took it off. Her sister also got married is now divorced and also took off her hijaab, i am not judging them at all. The sister went on holiday to egypt and resorted to wearing her scarf again due to the stares she was getting.

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stitch · 28/06/2006 12:36

this is much sexier than this


although jordan does have very pretty eyes.

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Piffle · 28/06/2006 12:37

Not to the majority of blokes in this country its not.
Sadly IMHO

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stitch · 28/06/2006 12:44

piffle, look at jordan's eyes, they are gorgeous.
cover her up in a silk veil, some can be really quite glamorous, i dont know if i can find a link, and i bet you anything that most men will find that sexier.
part of it is the mystery

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ameli · 28/06/2006 12:45

stitch,

i dont think the idea of hijaab is to make women look sexy. However what is sexy to one may not be to the other. I think that jordon and the women in the veil are both attractive, are you saying that you think that women in scarf is more sexy than jordon? to be sexy, is to invoke sexual feelings and thoughts. Jordon certainly does do that for men i think.

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