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Does God withhold blessings from Christians who are living in disobedience?

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Jewcy · 03/05/2013 18:00

I am a Christian but my husband is not. I am desperate to be a better person in God's eyes but can not escape the instruction in 2 Corinth ch 6 re being unequally yoked to non-believers. I am nearly 42 and desperately trying to start a family (I mc'd last year). We are due to fly to the Czech Republic in June for donor egg IVF but I can't help worrying that God will not bless me with a child whilst I continue to willfully live a disobedient life. I entered into a relationship with my husband knowing that it is not God's will for me to be with a non-Christian. Am I to be forever outside of God's will? My prayer life has become almost non-existent as I don't feel I can appeal to the Lord for his blessings re a baby and yet it is all I can think about.

I guess the real problem here is that my obsession with starting a family has superceded my devotion and surrender to God's will. Please help me Sad

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BackOnlyBriefly · 08/05/2013 20:48

Actually not all of the bible is gibberish. For example the Book Of Ruth is simply a nice little story. Has nothing whatsoever to do with religion or god. I guess someone just liked it and insisted it was included.

DioneTheDiabolist · 08/05/2013 20:52

Back, that is your atheism. For other atheists it is an actual belief that there is no god. For yet others it is different again. Atheists, like theists are not a homogenous mass, but individual people who share some of their beliefs (or lack thereof) with others.

Jewcy · 08/05/2013 20:58

I wish people would stop insisting that atheists are not haters of God.

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NicholasTeakozy · 08/05/2013 21:03

Atheism requires no faith. It demands nothing of anybody. I don't need a god to tell me not to steal, kill or rape, I've managed to work out for myself that those things are wrong. To be honest, if you need a god to tell you to behave in a moral and legal manner then polite society should be protected from you.

The onus of proof is on you theists. You are making unsubstantiated claims for the existence of something, just like the atheist Peter Higgs did in the early 60s. At the time the scientific community ridiculed him, now they might give him a Nobel prize as there is now proof that the Higgs Boson particle exists just as Mr Higgs predicted.

Jewcy · 08/05/2013 21:21

Nick, I think we've already established that we don't turn to Christianity to know how to be good people. We turn to Christ for forgiveness and redemption. You don't believe in Him so it's a moot point. I don't care that you think my claims are unsubstantiated. I, and millions of other believers, know that Christ lives. Halelujah!

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Jewcy · 08/05/2013 21:31

Atheism requires no faith. It demands nothing of anybody.

..so what?

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Spero · 08/05/2013 21:31

I don't hate god. I can't 'hate' something I am not even sure exists.

I do however hate hate. And I hate bigotry. Whether it is displayed by the religious or the irreligious. But there is something particularly hateful another the bigotry of the religious, as they claim to be hating at the command of a god.

Spero · 08/05/2013 21:32

'About' not 'another'

BackOnlyBriefly · 08/05/2013 21:35

An atheist who had faith that your god didn't exist wouldn't really be an atheist.

No one could say they knew 'a god' didn't exist because the term is so vague. Someone might define god as 'the universe' or "human aspiration"

It is of course possible to say that a particular god that people have described doesn't exist if the description contradicts observed facts or is internally inconsistent.

For example. If someone said their god is the god who killed all the pigeons in trafalgar square then I could reasonably point out that the pigeons are still there so they are making that one up. Or someone might say their god is a kind god who will kill you if you don't agree. That claim is dead in the water too.

Jewcy · 08/05/2013 21:46

I don't think atheists 'have faith' that God doesn't exist.

I also do not claim any of your nonsense in your final paragraph

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DioneTheDiabolist · 08/05/2013 21:50

Jewcy, most atheists are not haters of god. Some are, they are ther others I alluded to in my post. However they are very rare. The vast majority of atheists don't consider god at all. There is no god shaped hole in their lives. He simply doesn't exist outside of occasional dinner party chat. They do not hate god, they do not love god. For them there is no God to spend any energy on. It does not make them any less loving, generous, community spirited than believers.

Nicholas, there is no onus on me to prove anything. I don't care that you don't believe. It's your belief, it's your business. I have no desire to change it, it is not a problem for me.

What I do find problematic is when it goes beyond difference in belief in god and becomes a difference in how we think about people.Sad

PedroYoniLikesCrisps · 08/05/2013 22:01

To hate god is to believe in God and thus to not be an atheist.

An atheist cannot logically hate god.

daftdame · 08/05/2013 22:11

back so you think God might exist? (Re. Your last post)

Nicholas why is the onus of proof to prove existence? It could just as easily be to prove non existence.

In reality I think neither of you are qualified to define my beliefs as I would concede I am not qualified to define your lack(?) of belief - since I don't fully understand it. For me, whether an assertion is negative or positive, it is still an assertion.

But all this is really besides the point, the OP asked for help clarifying an aspect of her faith. Sorry, Jewcy I can see from you last post this latest subject is something that you really are not concerned about.

NicholasTeakozy · 08/05/2013 22:46

You assert there is a god. I call on you to prove it. Your holy book is about 6000 years old with no more evidence to support it than Chesney Hawkes proclaiming he is the one and only.

Peter Higgs asserted there was an unknown particle now known as the Higgs Boson. His fellow scientists called on him to prove it. Now 50 years later he's been proved right. By science.

Prove, with evidence, the existence of your god the creator and I will change my mind.

Jewcy said ..so what? Your Hispanic friend Jesus (the Greek translation of Joshua/Jeshua) demands you behave a certain way. He demands you act in a moral fashion. Atheists do that naturally without asking WWJD. Which in my book is What Would Jello Do? Now I could get behind anybody who'd advocate worshipping Jello Biafra. :o

DioneTheDiabolist · 08/05/2013 22:53

You assert there is a god. I call on you to prove it
Why? Why does it matter to you what I believe about a deity?

Prove, with evidence, the existence of your god the creator and I will change my mind.
I have no desire to change your mind. I assume you are happy the way you are. Why would I want to change that?Confused

suburbophobe · 08/05/2013 22:54

Oh purlease. gimme a break.

God loves all his children!

daftdame · 08/05/2013 22:55

Nicholas Peter Higgs got 50 years to prove the existence of a particle and you ask me to prove the existence of God on a mumsnet thread? Unfair!

Seriously, you get a choice to believe or not, faith is a pre-requisite of being a Christian, as a vital part of it is about trusting God and not leaning on your own understanding.

Jewcy · 08/05/2013 22:58

What's wrong with instruction, Nicholas? Jesus teaches us about the true meaning of love and, yes..some people need to be taught this: patience, kindness, temperance, being slow to anger, not being jealous. I, for one, find all of this difficult. Sorry if that makes me weird.

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DioneTheDiabolist · 08/05/2013 23:10

Daftdame, I disagree. I believe and for me there was no choice. Most atheists just don't believe for them it isn't a choice. Do you believe or have you chosen to believe?

DioneTheDiabolist · 08/05/2013 23:17

Jewcy, you said that Jesus teaches us the true meaning of love. Have you learned how to accept his love, or do you think that it is just about teaching you how to love?

PedroYoniLikesCrisps · 08/05/2013 23:23

Peter Higgs got 50 years to prove the existence of a particle and you ask me to prove the existence of God on a mumsnet thread? Unfair!

Christianity has had a few millennia and not managed yet.....!

Italiangreyhound · 08/05/2013 23:34

BackOnlyBriefly sorry if this is not the main thread of the argument but I wanted to explain about the 'gay issue'! Smile. I have started a thread to ask others about it. Read it if you wish to.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/philosophy_religion_spirituality/1751247-Explaining-an-accepting-evangelical-position-to-gay-marriage-any-tips?msgid=38948387#38948387

daftdame · 09/05/2013 08:25

Dione Yes, I believe I chose. Jesus said, 'Choose life,'. I believe faith is about choosing to believe in things you have not seen or that have not been proven. I am more than the sum of my parts (thus my biology does not dictate my thinking). I believe in free will.

Ilikethebreeze · 09/05/2013 10:01

Going over some of the points on here.

Of course atheists[not all, or not many] are not haters of God.
And that requires non Christians to be judged, and there is no way I am doing that.
God sees inside their hearts, man cannot.

Ilikethebreeze · 09/05/2013 10:09

Jewcy, I dont believe you are weird.
fwiw, I think that at the point that peole become Christians, we come from different backgrounds. And some people start from a point that is further away from the Christian ideal than others.

A couple of years ago, I started feeding a stray, somewhat wild cat.
It took a full year before it completely trusted me.
During that time, for instance, even after we had made much progress, if it wanted feeding, and I wasnt ready to feed it, but would walk past it[my cats are outdoor cats],it lashed out at me a few times.
Now it is as loving and friendly as my other two.
But, and there is a but.
It very occasionally still makes mistakes, I am still slightly more wary of it. Because I know and have realised that it still has the ability in it to make a mistake. And also, if there was some sort of panic, in the heat of the moment, it may lose some self control.
The cat taught me a thing or two.