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IneedAgoldenNickname · 07/01/2013 00:39

Hi, I've never posted on this topic before, I tend to hang out in aibu, but don't want to start a bun fight!

So, I am a liberal Christian. I firmly believe that everyone had to right to believe (or not) whatever they want, provided that belief doesn't hurt anyone else.

Earlier today I posted a lighthearted status on Facebook, which had led to me being called mindless, stupid, stuck up, thinking I'm better than everyone else. I've been told God is a c**t (sorry I hate that word so much I won't type it) and that the Bible is only God for loo roll!

I'm just really angry that people think its ok to insult me/my religion like that, when I haven't once preached or insulted others.

Obviously the easy solution would be to delete them off of Facebook, but they are people I get on with other wise.

Don't really know the point of my post, just hoping id feel better writing it down. Grin

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Avuncular · 15/01/2013 16:45

Mrskpbw of course you chose to be a Christian : John 15:16 ??

IMU It depends which side of the archway you are standing on. My DW tells me John Bunyan has something to say about this in Pilgrim's Progress.

headinhands · 15/01/2013 16:52

amillion can I refer you back to a post you made yesterday about having better medicine/health care today and that made a difference to amount of miracles we see today? Can you clarify that my interpretation is correct? Thanks.

amillionyears · 15/01/2013 17:08

Not able to currently manage to answer all the points.
But I can manage 2 for now.
DadOnIce. Sorry if I offended you. I didnt mean to.I am not sure how that is slightly offensive, but I am sorry to have slightly offended you.

headinhands. What I meant by the post that you are reffering to, is back in Jesus's time, there were hundreds if not a few thousand of miracles. For people to visually see, hapened to people they knew, and had the effect of helping to add to the number of believers.
Nowadays, I presume, some of whatever was ailing those people is ablr to be cured or at least managed by modern medicine.
But hat still does leave plenty of people that could still be helped by miracles today. I expect you and I , and everyone on this thread, knows of people who would willingly go somewhere, anywhere, to get healed.

After writing that, and rereading your post, I see that somewhere you made an interpretation to my previous post. I dont wish to lose what I have just written, so will now go to read it!

amillionyears · 15/01/2013 17:10

To help me out, can you tell me to which post you are referring please headinhands? Thanks

Avuncular · 15/01/2013 17:11

Ellie if we're going to do the omni-s then get it right please otherwise we'll get in a muddle : omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent .... can't think of any more at the moment; are there any more which are relevant to present discussions?

Really glad that this thread seems to be progressing and hasn't self-destructed or turned into bun- or cat- fight like so may other MN Threads.

How many days does it need to run like this before this qualifies as a miracle?

MadHairDay · 15/01/2013 17:14

Ah we're generally quite nice to each other here Avuncular :) It's AIBU you have to watch out for Wink

amillionyears · 15/01/2013 17:23

Just as an aside, my brain cant cope with the deeper stuff on here yet, can you give a brief description of those omnis please. I dont think I know the difference.

EllieArroway · 15/01/2013 17:23

Omnibenevolent. But since that has nothing to do with what I'm saying (yet) then there was no need to raise it.

Still waiting for your evidence, Avuncular.

headinhands · 15/01/2013 17:32

This is the post amillion

Mon 14-Jan-13 17:30:31
Actually, I have to say here, that nowadays, we have better medicine than I assume was the case 2000 years ago. So again, they had it easier, miracle wise, back then.

headinhands · 15/01/2013 17:35

Sorry to clarify amillion my interpretation of your post was we don't need so many miracles because of the NHS. Is that right?

amillionyears · 15/01/2013 17:36

Snorbs 11047am and the 2 posts after that. I need some thought on those. I sort of thought I knew that answers to those questions, but it has brought up a couple of questions of my own, which I need to look into.

EllieArroway · 15/01/2013 17:36

I do like the "determinism" answer to the free will issue. It makes cold, hard, logical sense to me from what little I have read so far.

But that's a whole other thread Wink.

I do get where you're coming from, Mad. I often listen to James O'Brien on LBC when I'm meant to be working. He often says that he agrees with virtually everything any atheist ever says, knows that the evidence is not in favour of God, but he's still a Christian anyway, even though he can't quite explain it to himself. And I just think - "Fair enough". Because it is.

I'm not being very cohererent. My tooth hurts and that's all I can think of :(

GrimmaTheNome · 15/01/2013 17:41

Omniscient - knows all
omnipresent - is everywhere
omnipotent - all powerful
omnibenevolent - all good

God is variously claimed to be all these things. The question is, with all that omni-ness, why is there suffering?

EllieArroway · 15/01/2013 17:46

Amillion

Omnipotent - All powerful
Omniscient - All seeing
Omnipresent - Everywhere
Omnibenevolent - All loving/good

There's apparently two others:

Omnisapience - All wise/clever
Omniliberty - All free (to do as he wishes)
(Have never heard either of these used in practice, and I think they are covered by Omnipotent anyway).

amillionyears · 15/01/2013 17:46

The miracles would have been obvious back then, is what I mean.

EllieArroway · 15/01/2013 17:46

X post. Sorry.

amillionyears · 15/01/2013 17:47

Ellie Thanks. You are being very coherent.

Avuncular · 15/01/2013 17:52

Sorry about your tooth Ellie I have to confess it's just possible I may be to blame for that, in a roundabout sort of way ......

Hope it gets better soon. Smile Flowers ..... Wine ??

Re evidence I'm sorry I can't supply that - but I know a man who can

amillionyears · 15/01/2013 17:56

I will start briefly on the suffering stuff, though I did write a list earlier.

Agree with MadHairDay. Think she or I may have written ot before on another thread. The world was not supposed to be like this. See Genesis, about the first three chapters.
For instance, animals were not supposed to eat other animals.

Sin entered. The Devil entered.

The bit I am trying to work on is
yes,Grimma I think it was said, about the sparrows
Yes, God is I believe in total control of nature. Dont think the devil has control of that at all.
And yes, sometimes God uses nature as punishment, as well as for our good, and I recently read, to look after his own earth, to water the soil etc etc etc.

Yes, God is in control of Christians. And yes, he sometimes makes it yuk for us, if we have been naughty, strayed, need some extra discilpline, needs to be more perfect so needs trials to see what how we perform when things get tough. And also may let the Devil do something, though I am a bit hazy on that particular bit, and may be wrong on that point.

The bit I am struggling with, is what is his relationship with non Christians.

EllieArroway · 15/01/2013 17:59

You didn't pray to God that I'd get toothache did you, Avuncular? Shock

No to the Wine thanks - blooming Metronidazole :(

MadHairDay · 15/01/2013 18:04

Yes Ellie, you're right, I often think like this. It's one reason I like to hang out here a bit, I have the need to at all levels keep questioning my faith. It's very strange, but engaging in these threads has actually strengthened my faith in some very tangible ways. Not quite what one would expect, but then, I like to be contrary Grin

So yes. I look at your arguments, and everything that say Grimma says that makes so much sense, and often think 'yes. This is how I would think. I recognise my thinking patterns.' But then the Holy Spirit goes and slams me with the truth (I believe). This could get annoying, but it's too wonderful and blows me away. And since this latest experience I think I'm giving up trying to pander around it all. I'll just tell it how it is to me. :)

MadHairDay · 15/01/2013 18:05

Hope the toothache eases soon - pah to Metronidazole. Brew

amillionyears · 15/01/2013 18:10

To Christians, our aim is supposed to be to try and become perfect Christians!
And it is true of me, I dont know about other Chrisitaisn necessarily, that my faith and trying to become a perfect Christians, improves when the going is rough. We learn more about our spiritual weaknesses, we can see our Chrisitan gaps as it were.
In short, it exposes out Christian weaknesses to ourselves.

headinhands · 15/01/2013 19:02

Hi amillion so because we didn't have the NHS then the miracles were more prolific/obvious? As if god has a level of disease he will tolerate before rolling his sleeves up? And because we have the NHS now he can let them take over the bulk of healing with only the occasional miracle being necessary nowadays?

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