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Canticles, charisma and chat (Religion thread number 2)

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BaroqueAroundTheClock · 19/02/2011 17:11

the first one is nearly full.

Anyone welcome, it's basically a "what happened in church/spiritual life/anything else you want to chat about that's vaguely related (or not) to churchy stuff.

OP posts:
MaryBS · 05/03/2011 17:53

Oops, pipped at the post! We don't do the White medal, which is why I said second Blush

nickelprincess · 05/03/2011 17:54

Mary - since the introduction of the white level (introductory level), ti's now the third level Grin

(makes it sound/feel so much more difficult and advance, don't you think? )

nickelprincess · 05/03/2011 17:54

x-posts again! Grin

essenceofSES · 05/03/2011 17:55

Ooh! That's v impressive! Well done to your DD :)

MaryBS · 05/03/2011 18:51

LOL, yes it does sound more difficult and advanced, although I have to admit I like the sound of "The Dean's Bronze Award", which is the next one! That DOES look more difficult - I helped prepare a couple of girls for their bronze awards, testing their bible knowledge and asking some pre-prepared music questions (they passed too!)

madhairday · 05/03/2011 19:50

Hi all! Mary well done to dd, I remember those medals and the sense of pride, good for her :)

I am traumatised, girls. Just been to the NW womens day (which was amazing) but on the way back was subjected to you-know-who all the way home. ALL the way home, that's 2 hours. Bless, and all that :) Went in my friends car and she is a big fan. nickel you'd have been proud of my holding-back-ness Grin

However the day was great, took some of my friends who've been coming to my seekers course and they got a lot out of it I think. Music was awesome - amazing what a good band can do for the quality of it all. Was so lovely

lyra41 · 05/03/2011 21:27

Hi girls
Just got back from a lovely Indian meal out w dh ds1 ds2 & ds's new gf. It all went v well, much better than our 1st meeting which was a bit lukewarm. Apparently she thought I didn't like her & ds thought I didn't give her enough of a welcome when they came to stay 2weeks ago. Hoping things are back on track now!
Off 2 sort washing see you soon. X

madhairday · 06/03/2011 14:08

Morning Lyra. Glad your meal went ok. How old is your ds?

I have a poorly dd here today with an ear infection and sickness, very miserable. So no school tomorrow for her.

I have posted on my blog about the women's day yesterday if anyone interested.

Baroque are you OK?

lyra41 · 06/03/2011 18:01

hi maddy

my ds are 5 and 18, with a dd in between aged 15.
gotta go and make gravy now, more later.

essenceofSES · 06/03/2011 20:31

Hello all!

MadHairDay - I had a quick look at your blog and your day yesterday seems like it was fantastic! So much all in one day :)
I also saw your previous entry too about God "working with" people. I agree this is much better terminology than God "using" someone.

Mary - hope DD's award went well today and you (and she!) are still enjoying your burst of pride

Lyra - glad the meal out was a success!

Church was good this morning with some great music. It suprises some people that even though I'm RC, I really like the more charismatic style of music. This morning the one that stuck was this:

  1. Here in this time, here in this place,
here we are standing face to face. Here in our hearts, here in our lives, our God is here. Here for the broken, here for the strong, here in this temple we belong. Here in our hearts, here in our lives, our God is here. And we cry:

Refrain
?Holy! Holy! Holy are you!?
We cry: ?Holy! Holy! Holy and true!?
Amen, we do believe our God is here.
Our God is here.

  1. Here in the Word, God is revealed,
here where the wounded can be healed. Here in our hearts, here in our lives, our God is here. Here we become what we receive, here in this Eucharistic feast. We are his body, living as one; our God is here. And we cry:

Not sure how widely used it is but I particularly love the verses.

Then afterwards, the priest caught me to ask me if I was a model Shock for a poster he'd seen at the local train station! "Not me!" I had to tell him but I want to go and check out the poster now!

(Note, I am really not model material so v Shock )

MaryBS · 07/03/2011 08:25

essenceofSES, yesterday went well, and DD looked so happy to get her medal!

I don't see any reason why RC and charismatic can't go together (although like you said, people are sometimes surprised), I've always described myself as a charismatic Catholic (now in the Anglican church, but still part of the catholic and apostolic church). I think it dates back to my days at University.

essenceofSES · 07/03/2011 09:08

Have we done the opposite of eachother then Mary?!
When I first became a Christian at the age of 9yo, I was Anglican. I remained happily so until my late teens and then struggled for a few years before being received into the Catholic church aged 24!
My theory is that it doesn't matter what denomination youare as long as you do what brings you closest to God. For me, I found that was being a Christian within the Catholic church.

nickelprincess · 07/03/2011 10:21

2 hours ! Shock

your ears must be bleeding !

poor, poor mhd....

nickelprincess · 07/03/2011 10:24

essence - they always ruin those songs with the choruses.
I readthe verses, thought, oh, that's not too bad, nice lyrics, then saw the chorus and went [bleurgh]
Grin

It's the choruses that kill me every time.

BetsyBoop · 07/03/2011 10:45

Sorry I've not been on for a few days, mad busy, and I know I've no hope of keeping up if I'm away from this thread for more than a couple of hours Grin

Mary - congrats to your DD :)

Just wanted to share one of the themes from our sermon yesterday - the famous Saint Augustine quote - "He who sings prays twice". I know there are many music/singing lovers on here & it made me think of you all :)

We had Messy Church on Saturday too, another fun but chaotic session :) I must admit though BlushI struggle a bit sometimes with what some parents think is acceptable behaviour in Church, running round screaming, climbing all over the pews & pulling the carpet runners off the pew seats or the using the kneelers to jump on Shock. I have to pull my two to one side & say "yes X & Y might be doing that, but I don't want you to copy OKAY!" It's a lovely opportunity for the kids to explore Church without the constraints of a normal service, but it's doesn't mean it's okay to wreck the place...Angry Sorry am being very grumpy this morning...Hmm

nickelprincess · 07/03/2011 10:46

I've always been happy being Church of England.
I won't say Anglican, because I'd never heard of that word until I met an my American friend, and it was obviously the only way to describe cofe being used in America! Grin

and to me, Anglican does sound more "charismatic" than cofe does.
It sounds like they're trying to break free of the traditional roots and become more embracing of modernity.

anyway, today I feel shit.
I think I might be going through a rough patch again - haven't had one for nearly 2 years, but I feel antsy and slightly angry.
and evidently, forgetful.

I had a massive row with one of the choir after the service yesterday - when we recessed, by the time we got to the back of the church, the choir was about 5 miles ahead of the organ and seemed to refuse to slow down to match it. I know it's because they don't listen (and where I was, furthest away with the choir inbetween me and the organ, i could barely hear it), and I stood and flicked my ear to show that they should be listening - anyway, this one man was standing completely opposite me, so I had looked at him while I was flicking my ear. he looked at me in such a nasty way and said "just Shut it!" - the service hadn't even finished.
I got extremely angry at that, and as soon as we had been dismissed I laid into him.
I told him that the entire choir was ahead of the organ and it's because noone was listening - it wasn't just him. I also told him that he should never speak to me like that. He retorted "act your age" (in the manner of a petulant child) so I replied that he wasn't acting his age and that he needs to grow up and learn to be part of the choir.
I was absolutely fuming . Angry

It wouldn't be so bad if it were just me that was noticing it, but a few times now, the churchwarden and deputy, both of whom sit at the back, have mentioned the choir being faster than the organ before.

On top of that, I've mentioned already that we're using a prepared booklet of hymns this month because there are too many hymns that we wanted that are mucked about with in the Hideous book.
The other churchwarden made snide remarks about it - asking churchwarden 1 if it had "been discussed at a meeting". It's none of the churchwarden's business what music we choose - that pleasure/responsibility/curse belongs to DH.
She remarked that she thought we were "trying to phase out the hymn book" - actually, if we had our way, we would - it's bloody awful.

and then to top it all off, I've been looking forward to visiting a school this week - I had been reminding myself all last week "don't forget to go to school on Tuesday with books". Got a phonecall from said school this morning "aren't you supposed to be visiting us today?" Blush
I'm really upset with myself for getting the day wrong. :(

I can recognise this as a slippery slope down to misery. :( (i know it's happened before but I never spotted signs until it was too late - and by then, you can't work out triggers)

nickelprincess · 07/03/2011 10:47

oh dear Betsy - sounds like messy church was too messy Grin

madhairday · 07/03/2011 11:16

nickel, I am going to do something very Un-MNish, I am afraid.

and Brew

I am sorry yesterday was so crap, and the choir were being crap, and disrespectful, and that you feel like things are going downhill a little. Here to listen anytime. Go easy on yourself :)

(and yes, ears are still bleeding)

I like those words too, Ses - I like the chorus too Grin but love songs with verses and choruses, like the contrast (also like ones with just verses) I find your journey very interesting, and do love that the church is so wide that everyone can find their own place, which helps them feel closest to God, as you say. I would describe myself as charismatic open evangelical but am loving more and more the mystical stuff and appreciate a lot of more traditional stuff. Why not mix it up? We don't need to be bound. I want to start a new church... Grin

nickelprincess · 07/03/2011 11:26

urgh! you hugged me !!! [urgh]
Grin

thanks, i don't mind the hugs! Grin

It doesn't help that I'm going to spend the whole day sitting here with noone but the computer to talk to, dwelling on the fact that I could have been at the school....

oh, and I don't mind choruses - choruses can be good, and like you say, contrasting. But I don't like cheesy choruses like that one! Grin

madhairday · 07/03/2011 11:53

I'm here all day too nickel, stuck on the sofa with sickness bug, so we can talk to each other :) DD is also here, looking very sorry for herself, especially as she is meant to be going on a trip tomorrow to Cadbury World, but will not be well enough (hasn't eaten for 3 days now). We will do a family trip there next weekend to make up for it.

Oh and yes, choruses can indeed be unbearably cheesy, depends on the tune and the words, I like some that are simple and have repetition of 'holy' etc because focussing on one word like that can be great in experiencing God's presence, but words like 'I love Jesus cos he's my best friend and all fluffy and nice and I lurve him' perhaps leave something to be desired Grin

MaryBS · 07/03/2011 11:57

nickel, you're welcome to come and lead my bible study which starts in an hour, I've not prepared it, the room isn't hoovered and I've not had lunch! Sorry to hear things are rough at church. It seems to be spreading :(

Essence, I left the RCC church because I wanted to remarry. I started going to the local C of E church when I had the children. So yes, sounds like we swapped :o (or is it an exchange of prisoners? LOL).

I like the use of the word Anglican, because I like the thought I belong to a worldwide church. Also, as I spend far too much time on Ship of Fools, there are Anglicans from a number of different countries on there, so it helps link us with the piskies etc (Episcopalians) :o

nickelprincess · 07/03/2011 11:58

you knwo, i think mainly it's the modern 2nd person that gets me.
don't know why, it just feels wrong in a churc hsetting. like they're trying to say "ooh, look how modern and up-to-date and trendy we are!" - never had that impression of most Christians (modern or traditional!)
we're all geeks and nerds, aren't we!

"?Holy! Holy! Holy are you!?
We cry: ?Holy! Holy! Holy and true!?
Amen, we do believe our God is here.
Our God is here."
see, there - it's the Holy, holy, holy are you
the rest of the chorus scans well.
Blush

madhairday · 07/03/2011 12:10

So you mean you prefer 'art thou' as it is perhaps more respectful, more in awe somehow? I do sort of get that, and sometimes do bristle at over familiarity, but also love that God is near, and can be 'you' if you see what I mean? A nice balance of the 'yous' and 'thous' works for me (though not in the same song Grin )

Mary, hope the bible study goes well. sod the hoovering and have a Brew

nickelprincess · 07/03/2011 12:15

i think so.
i think if you don't go "art thou" then you should say it all in the 3rd person, iyswim.
actually, i think that might be closer to it - if you have the verse in 3rd person, then do the chorus in 2nd person, it sounds odd. Confused
definitely sounds more aweful, though. Grin

I want a Brew now too.

madhairday · 07/03/2011 12:32

Hmm yes - mixing the persons through the song can make it a bit messy, I do agree.

But love being able to sing for example 'You are the God who saves us, worthy of all our praises' and also 'Thine be the glory' (NEVER 'Yours be the glory a la Hideous Book, shudder) - I think being able to use slightly more 'aweful' language can be helpful, but familiarity can be too - thinking aloud here. I love the breadth, I guess...

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