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Any advice on cavalier king Charles ?

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two2many · 15/04/2010 13:21

Hi , we are thinking of getting a cavalier pup in may , just wondering if anyone here might have some experience with this breed ? Are they good around young children etc ? TIA x

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two2many · 16/04/2010 10:38

Not at all jooljoolyjoo - i have been glued to this screen reading your posts
I am definitely re-thinking getting ckc as they seem to have a lot of possible health problems & i am not sure we would be in a financial position to cope with this ,i will be getting pet insurance when we do get a pup as we did not have any with our last dog & spent a small fortune on an operation to try save his life only to have had to put him to sleep two weeks later .
I was reared with golden cockers , i would love another one of those but after my parents last one (very vicious) i am terrified as my father was advised by his vet that 1 out of every three cockers have mental problems , Would you agree with this ? And if it is true how could i avoid picking a vicious one as a pup ? x

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SeaShellsOnTheSeaShore · 16/04/2010 11:11

[applauds] I wish our profession would stand up and be counted- it's sad that breeders are respected more than veterinary advice.

Another docked dog won crufts again this year ( though beautiful), so pups will continue to come in for their first vacc with no certificate and an owner clueless it was done with a pair of scissors at one day old.

Screamingeagle, I didn't mean to get shirty, it's just demoralising dealing with half truths and "my breeder says you are wrong" on a daily basis. It's not personal and you strike me as a reasonable person, and fellow dog lover

jooly, nice to meet you!

OP sorry for v interesting hijack!!

two2many · 16/04/2010 11:24

lol seashells when i started this thread yesterday i thought no- one would reply
just to update you , i have sent off an email to my local pound as i have fallen in love with a beautiful mongrel , he is a SHELTI x (whatever that is) but looks so sad , kind of looks like a small collie , they have a comment just above his photo that says " this boy is very depressed being here" he looks so sad i just want to drive there now & take him home with me . they have emailed me back saying it could take 2/3 weeks to adopt him & a €180 fee to pay . i have given all my contact details in the email so hopefully they will contact me soon .

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two2many · 16/04/2010 11:26

I can not do links but i could give the web address & ref no for him if you would like to see him ? (is it allowed to give other web site address here? )

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SeaShellsOnTheSeaShore · 16/04/2010 13:08

Copy and paste URL in an put around it, they don't mind!

Joolyjoolyjoo · 16/04/2010 13:26

two2many- good for you! Sounds promising (A sheltie is like a small version of a lassie dog) Hope you can get your link working, so we can "aww!" at him. I do apologise for the hijack It kind of feels like vets are on the defensive about so many things nowadays! Glad you found it interesting, at least!!

And good to meet you too, SeaShells!

two2many · 16/04/2010 13:34

Ahhhh they have just phoned to say that he is taken , will be going to his new home on Monday morning . ah I'm glad he got a new family . My sister is also looking to rescue a dog , she is going to try adopt a 6 month old cocker x in the morning well to fill in the request forms etc , so fingers crossed she gets her pup.

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two2many · 16/04/2010 13:39

Thanks to all the advice i was given here i was able to pass all this info on to my sister . For me though its back to searching for our little dog .

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fruitshootsandheaves · 16/04/2010 13:41

I had a sheltie cross. He was 17 when he died. He was a very clever dog and very overly friendly with people but boy he was noisy, he barked at anything.

Very pretty dog, he was my first dog and I did a lot of training with him, obedience, agility, flyball, he was great but he wasn't an easy dog, he liked to be doing something.

Have fun with yours. Looking forward to seeing some photos, mine was really dark brown coloured as a puppy but soon changed to the light brown fluffy sheltie colours.

LilyBolero · 16/04/2010 13:42

My parents have CKCS - the oldest one has just died aged 14, she had a few health issues in the last year, but otherwise fine, the younger one is 12 and is still in good health. They are lovely dogs, but do get them from a decent breeder and check health records etc.

fruitshootsandheaves · 16/04/2010 13:43

oh cross posts, sorry you missed out on him.

Joolyjoolyjoo · 16/04/2010 13:44

Oh well, back to the drawing board! good luck in your search. Re:the golden cockers- there IS a condition known as red cocker rage, but I wouldn't have estimated it's incidence as as high as 1 in 3. Have you considered a red roan cocker/ blue roan, if you like cockers (although bear in mind their potential ear problems- we blummin vets will find a weakness in every breed, won't we? )

blondewithbump · 16/04/2010 13:52

We have 2 pedigree King Charles who are 19 months and 16 months and they are totally brilliant. We have already said we would have another one if we had the room.
The 19 month old is a bitch and she does unfortunately have a heart murmur, but a mild one.
Our 16 month old boy is healthy as anything, no heart murmur and is a really strong and stocky lad.
As a breed, we find them to be really clever, full of character and unbelievably affectionate, to the point where it can get a bit much because they are not really happy to just sit next to you, Alfie would sit on your head to get that bit closer to you if you let him!
They went to obedience classes from 12 weeks and were some of the best in the group, (generally in our obedience group springers were the most hyper and hard to train, closely followed by labs but that was probably the owners fault to be fair!)
Ours are not really yappy at all other than when leaving the house for a walk Alfie will cry with excitement.
They are also fantastic with children, they will let our friends babies chase them around and prod them and they are not jealous if we pick the babies up. Put it this way, I am 36 weeks pregnant and I have no worries at all about introducing them to the new baby, although as with any dog I would never leave them unattended with her just because they could hurt her without meaning to.
I can't really praise them highly enough, but I think with anything it's a lot to do with how you treat them, and ours have always been to obedience school and socialised so they are pretty well behaved.
The health risks in later life do concern me but they have been brilliant so far and I would definitely have more!

two2many · 16/04/2010 14:10

jooly - wow so it is true although probably exaggerated about the golden cockers then , is there any way of knowing which cocker pup could have this apart from the obvious trying to bite my hand off if going to rub it lol
fruitshoots Ahh i am sad that i missed out on the shelti - he was lovely ,
blonde I love the ckc's but i really would not be able to tell a good breeder from a dodgy one

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Joolyjoolyjoo · 16/04/2010 14:14

two2many- no real way to know, but the very worst case I saw was years ago, and the pup in question was already very very aggressive when he came for a puppy check at 6 wks old!!
By the time she was 14 wks, her owners had tto wear gardening gloves to brush her/ put her lead on, so it may be fairly obvious! There definitely seem to be more behavioural issues attached to the solid-coat (one colour all over) cockers than the roans, so I would probably err on the side of caution and go for an orange roan (I think they are cuter anyway- love their freckles!)

two2many · 16/04/2010 14:28

thanks jooly the pup you describe sounds very like the last one my parents got my mum could not hang out her washing in the back garden unless she had biscuits in her pockets to keep throwing for him , & my dad was the only one that could touch him , he used to be OK with me for the first couple of years until he bit me when i was eight , after that he would pounce off the glass patio door whenever he saw me in the house until his lips bled My dad used to have to get sedative tablets from the vet to sedate him to get his hair & nails clipped twice a year , until on one occasion he woke up while the vet was in the middle of trimming him & she panicked as he got the muzzle off & rang for my dad to get there ASAP as he had her cornered & was snarling at her . she wanted to put him to sleep . The first golden cocker we ever had was a baby , absolutely adorable .

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SeaShellsOnTheSeaShore · 17/04/2010 07:44

CC - I hope your parvo pups pull through - its a demoralising battle isn't it. We had an outbreak in the area this time last year - was awful we had puppy farmers in the area, coming in for whole litters to be euthanased because of it. glad I've moved area now!

arolf · 17/04/2010 15:37

my parents have 3 cavaliers at the moment - they have had 5 others before now. 1st one was tricolour, lived to 14, no problems except blind in one eye after an attack by a german shepherd.

2nd lived to 16, no problems.

3rd we had for 2 weeks - he was a rehomed dog, and had such behavioural problems we couldn't keep him. he was rehomed with a family with no other dogs and thrived.

4th dog lived to 14, had heart problems, and nearly died when he was 11 due to incompetent vet deciding to operate on him when he had a gut upset. also turned out to be epileptic after several litters had been bred from him.

5th dog broke his shoulder badly as a pup due to being very silly. had arthritis as a result in the mended shoulder. lived to 15, but last year of his life he was a shambles and drugged up to the eyeballs.

current ones are 14, and 2 4 year olds. one of the 4 year olds is the great grandson of dog 4, and may have mild epilepsy. the 14 year old is decrepit and going deaf, but still enjoys his walks! the 4 year olds are total loons, but very cute and funny! one is being used as a stud dog, and the breeder sold him to my parents on the understanding she could use him occasionally.
Oh, and my grandmother is on to her 3rd cavalier, and he's 14 and still going strong.

so in other words, out of 9 dogs, they have all lived long lives so far, and although they have some problems, I think we have been lucky with good breeders (dogs 4, 6, 7 & 8 all from same breeder).

my parents and grandmother all keep the dogs quite slim though - not walking footstools like a lot of cavaliers you see.

I miss my cavs though, they are wonderful dogs.

two2many · 17/04/2010 17:30

ahh thanks arolf - i love the ruby cavaliers , very cute . i have found a breeder who supplies a full health cert with each puppy so that seems promising , they have their own cavalier website so hopefully they can be trusted .

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arolf · 17/04/2010 18:17

ruby is the only colour we have never had!
we've seen that the tricolours are very loyal and inquisitive, the blenheims very mad and bouncy, plus they are fiends for finding food no matter how well it's hidden, and black & tans quite shy but very teddy bear cuddly!

birdsandblossoms · 17/04/2010 18:34

we had a lovely one but he ran away every time the front door opened and helooked about 100 when he was 2

two2many · 17/04/2010 20:55

Lol birds

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blondewithbump · 21/04/2010 16:08

two2many - just out of interest, who is the breeder you have found who supplies health cert and has website? It sounds like it might be the same breeder who we got our ruby boy from! She supplied health certs and had a great cav website.
Rubys are beautiful, people stop us in the street to say how gorgeous Alfie is!

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