Is there anyway to change a Dogs 'KC' name?

[Disenchanted3]

Our breeder was lovely, she helped us so much and was very pre=ofessional but she gave our pups really bad Kennel Names!

Now we are the registered owners is there anyway to change them?

Oh - didn't know you were a Judge.

Bella why are you being so snippy?

Snippy? I don't know what you mean but do start Bella Bashing if you want.

dunno dis, just because you would be rehoming them within your family does not automatically mean you would be giving them away gratis.

Why do people on ere always get so nasty when people ask for advice?

Am I not trying to go about things the right way, tying to make sure every outcome is covered?

Ar my dgs not registered? Vet checked? Vaccintaed? Well loved, family dogs?

Whats wrong with wanting to breed one of my dogs and keep one?

Every responsible breeder has to start somewhere.
People are way too judgemental around here.

Bella,I'm not about to start bashing anyone but each reply you have given me has been oozing in sarcasm.

And your 'mad breeder rabid pug' cooment i found actually very hurtful and uncalled for.

if it helps you, dis, I am of the opinion that most pedigree animal breeders are in it for the cash. I am not singling you out

And no I am not a judge but i have eyes and can see a good example of a dog from a poor one.

you can change the name by applying to the KC and paying £25 (or something like that) - you can remove the affix though it is very bad form to do so - dogs that go to other breeders often get renamed eg from

'Fluffhouse fluffy fluffles' to
'Fluffhouse fluffy fluffles at Newhome'

my advice - the market for puppies is phenomenally slow at the moment and there are unsold litters out there. You may want to breed - but how will you feel about having anywhere up to a dozen 3 month old (and no longer all that cute)puppies all over your house?? eating you (literally) out of house and home?

making a loss is a very real possibility - people just aren't commiting to dog buying whilst their job/house/business is in jeopardy.

If you really are serious about breeding, I would start showing your two bitches. Even people who have been in a breed for years deem it required to show a dog or bitch to assess quality, it's not really something an owner can be totally unbiased about and learning about conformation takes years and years.

If you show you will also get to meet other people in the breed and know about the different lines and problems or any 'extreme breeding' in those lines. You may also be really lucky and find a mentor who is willing to help you and has experience of the breed.

Also, this sounds really harsh, I know, but I am doubting a breeder who was willing to sell litter mates to the same home and doesn't endorse pedigrees may not have the best intentions, so your bitches may not be the best to start with, but if you show them you will know.

We were all making jokes about names - I certainly did not mean to cause offence.

There was no sarcasm in my judge comment.

There is a great deal required to become a responsible breeder, many things which you are probably not even aware of, but if I try to point them out I'll get an earful, just as I have when I have tried to help you in the past.

So I am out of here.

I am doubting a breeder who was willing to sell litter mates to the same home and doesn't endorse pedigrees may not have the best intentions

i am 100% with you on that midori - endorsement is the least restriction that should be placed on a sale.

and having read that you have pugs - very common to be born by caesarian.

sorry for the sidetrack but please could someone explain what is an endorsement?

Sorry I wasn't aware I had ever given you an earful over anything.

And i suspect there was sarcasm in your judge comment as I am positive that you were not genuinly enquiring whether I am a judge.

Nobody knows everything before they even start out, its a learning process with as much research and advice as I can get. And as long as I am willing to put the time, effort, money and love into a litter and do it as proffesionally as i can and to the very best of my ability i see no reason why i shouldn't.

An endorsement (in regard to breeding) when placed on the pedigree means that any puppies bred from the endorsed dog or bitch are not eligible for KC registration. It is something breeders do to try prevent unsuitable, unhealthy or underage dogs being bred from. Usually they will remove the endorsement upon certain conditions such as reaching an appropriate age, proving to be a good enough specimen of the breed and having had satisfactory health test results. Only the breeder can lift the endorsements.

Why was it bad that the breeder sold two sister puppies to the same woman? The cat and dog home like kittens to be rehomed together (ok, I wasn't looking at puppies). Surely they will always have company and another dog to play with!

a dog sold with an endorsement =
the KC should not register any litter bred to that dog/bitch without the endorsement being lifted by the original breeder.

It is a means for breeders to prevent the puppies they sell being used as cash cows by unscrupulous breeders.

Personally i think it is inadequate and a contract that makes the dog become the property of the breeder again together with any progeny in the event of it being bred is best practice (together with spay/neuter refund upon production of vets certificate for havn been done)

That covers crossbreeding as well, see.

Yup, from the very first time you posted about why your pup had no papers and I tried to suggest health screening was more important than papers, especially with pugs.

Anyway, really am out of here now.

If you read what I say about my own and my RL friends' dogs on here, you'll see that RabidPug is just my sense of humour.

Best of luck whatever.

Arent dogs in that situation free to be bred from as long as the pups are not KC registered?

Therefore leaving the owner free to breed them as often as they want, as full pedigree but non kc reg dogs? and therefore loosing the KC protection of stopping over breeding?

florence - dogs aren't cats.

dogs like to know their place in the pack, and are happy so long as that place is clearly defined. if there is another dog/bitch of the same age in the same house.....that creates the potential for combat. Bitches will actually kill each other in such fights.

it is much better to introduce puppies into an established order with them (usually) at the bottom....

Most people who want to breed for money want puppies they can KC register, they usually fetch far more money, puppy farmers want to be able to KC register litters and will then corss breed or not register on in between seasons. The KC currently allows six litter per bitch to be register, far too many. They also allow litters from bitchs over the age of one and under the age of eight t be registered. Too young and too old, IMO.

A breeder endorsing the papers means that the buyer will be at the very least informed of the need for health testing and encourages responsible breeding, witht he breeders knowledge. Enorsing is the least breeders do, they usually also include a contract of sale which covers breeding and also thoroughly vet potential purchasers and then try to maintain a good relationship with them after the sale so that if the new owner wants to breed they feel they can come to them.

Endorsing is no guarantee, but it is certainly better than not endorsing.

Sorry but I agree that you shouldn't be considering breeding. You don't seem to be very knowledgeable about dogs in general - it was only a couple of weeks ago you said your new pup was being paper trained because you thought she couldn't go out into the garden until after her second injections, and a couple of days ago you were asking for advice on spotting the signs of a season because you've never had bitches before. Looking back through your past posts (not to pick at things - I just wanted to make sure I wasn't thinking of the wrong person before I posted!), I generally just get the impression that you are quite inexperienced. So unless I'm missing something, I don't think you're experienced enough to take this further.

There are plenty of good litters out there from experienced breeders - I don't think the world is missing out if yours don't have pups.

florence responsible breeders don't like two littermates go to the same home because two pups at once are a real handful - they need separate training, separate attention, separate everything, to ensure they bond to you and not to each other. It's a lot of work, and can often result in two adolescent pups being returned to the breeder in nine months' time.

We've got to know our dogs' breeder pretty well over the past few years, and knowing what I know now about the dramas of the puppy process there's no way I'd have a litter, even with a relatively easy whelping breed like ours. disenchanted If you're dead set on breeding your dog, at least talk to the Pug club about your girl first - as Midori says, most pet owners think they have the most perfect dog in the world (i do!) but can miss conformation flaws that could/should rule them out as future parents. Just because there's a champion in the pedigree doesn't really guarantee anything.

Well I'm sure not many people know how to raise a CHILD before they have kids but I've manged 3 of those

Its about learning as you go along!

And is it not better to ask? Obviously not because if you do you get slated