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Guinea pig outside in this awful weather? Advice please.

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MrsL123 · 09/01/2010 21:36

Hi everyone! I read these forums a lot but this is my first post - I apologise if it ends up being long but I'm quite worried about our guinea pig at the moment with this bad weather, and I know there's a few experienced piggy keepers on here who I'm hoping can advise me.

The GP in question is 4 years old and she has always lived outdoors with our two dwarf rabbits of the same age (until about a year ago she also had another GP for company, but she sadly died in her sleep one night). Just to give you an idea of their living situation - until earlier this year they all lived in a big shed which we converted into a giant hutch/run, with a couple of wooden nesting boxes inside to snuggle up in and lots of room to play (80sq feet in total). It was a great home for them, as it had a big wire mesh panel for fresh air at one end but we could completely close it up in the rain and cold (they also had windows so they still had lots of daylight even in bad weather). Unfortunately the rabbits chewed the shed from the inside and the dogs chewed it from the outside, until eventually it was becoming an escape risk and we had to replace it! As we had to do it in a hurry, we didn't have time to get another shed delivered and convert it, so we bought the biggest hutch we could find from Pets at Home. It's around 5 feet long and is on two levels (approx 20sq feet of living space), and we added a galvanised steel run on a concrete base off to the side (another 30sq feet of space), which they can access by a cat flap whenever they like. The hutch is covered with a Scratch & Newton waterproof cover (the type with the clear plastic flap that rolls down at the front), the run also has a rain cover over half of it, and the whole set up is against the back wall of the house facing south, so it's out of the wind.

For most of this winter, we've been convinced that our new set up is actually better than the old one, even though it's about half the size, because it's cosier for them and keeps the heat in better than the big shed. But at the moment I'm feeling guilty about how cold it is - we're in Scotland near the coast, and it got down to -13 last night. We've got the heating on 24/7, so I sit inside feeling awful about them being outside and imagining how cold they must be! Both levels of the hutch are completely stuffed with hay and have a thick layer of wood shavings underneath, there are a couple of old towels in there to snuggle up in, and at night I've been covering the front of the hutch with two big fleece blankets, which are secured under the plastic roll-down rain cover, and then a thick shower curtain over the top of all that (leaving a gap for ventilation of course). The water bottles have also got thick socks over them. But despite all the layers, the bottles have still been freezing at night. I can't help but think if the water is freezing, the piggy must be too! The rabbits are OK as they snuggle up together and have thick fluffy coats, but the piggy is all alone now and I really worry about her. In the old shed she used to wedge herself between the two rabbits to keep warm (soooo cute!), but they tend to sleep downstairs now and she stays upstairs (she doesn't like the ramp), so she's all by herself Her nesting box was also tucked away right in the back corner of the shed away from the doors, whereas now she's just in the sleeping compartment of the hutch, so is right next to the outer walls. They're all getting unlimited muesli and dried grass to eat, have fresh veg every morning, their water is changed several times a day and their toilet is changed daily to keep it dry and clean, but I still feel like I'm not doing enough. My husband keeps saying that there are animals much worse off than ours with owners who do nothing about the cold weather, but that doesn't really make me feel better!

This afternoon I attempted to insulate the hutch further with some foam carpet underlay that we had lying around (it's 1cm thick and I put three layers on the roof and two layers on the sides, wedged under the rain cover to keep it in place). I've also added another fleece blanket tonight (making three blankets, plus the plastic rain cover and the shower curtain). Hopefully there'll be no frozen water bottles in the morning! But if there is, I'm thinking it's time to bring the piggy inside. I know if I do this, she'll need to stay inside year-round, as I wouldn't just be able to put her back in with the rabbits after months of being away incase they attacked her, and I wouldn't want to keep her outside on her own, so it's not a decision I want to make lightly. I also have some concerns about bringing her indoors. My worries are that A) it'll be too warm in the house for her after being out in the cold so long, B) she'll get bored stuck in the house without the garden to look out on, C) she'll miss the company of the rabbits, and D) she'll be scared of the hoover / washing machine / generally noisy house. I also worry that the cats and dogs will pester her in her cage (but they don't bother them in the hutch, so maybe not). The other thing is, she'll have to be in one of those indoor cages on the kitchen table (out of the way of the clumsy dogs), so I worry about her having enough space - but she currently spends most of her time in the small sleeping compartment of the hutch anyway and only emerges a few times to eat/ drink/have a nosey at what's going on, so the cage would probably suit her fine (she's always been a lazy piggy, not a run-around-mad type).

What should I do for the best? If I leave her out, she could die from the cold. But if I bring her in, could she could die from the shock or change in environment? She definitely seems to like her outdoor life, as I often see her sitting munching her hay and watching the world go by. But I don't want to put her life at risk keeping her outside because she's getting a bit older now, and I would be heartbroken if I found her dead one morning from the cold.

Thank you in advance for any advice, and sorry for the essay!

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Beauregard · 09/01/2010 21:46

Have you tried giving the pig one of those fleece nests you can buy? also a heat pad maybe?

If you are still concerned after tonight i would say bring the pig in.
You are obviously a very caring owner

Our 2 guineas have always lived inside.I worry that they will be cold running round on the kitchen floor lol.

whooosh · 09/01/2010 21:49

How lovely to hear from such a dedicated pet owner.I think you have done an amazing job to make her as comfy as possible.
If you are concerned about bringing her in and then re-introducing,the only thing I can suggest (other than a heat lamp which is probably impossible) is one of those microwaveable heat mats.
I have one,I think it was called Petsafe or something.When our dog was a pup I stuck it in the microwave for 4 mins and it stayed warm all night (indoors of course) but it would certainly give your guinea a bit more warmth.
You do sound like a brilliant GP owner

Meglet · 09/01/2010 21:52

Bring her in, and bring the rabbits in. I doubt she'll die from the shock. Until I had dc's my GP's were always kept inside, but always went in the garden everyday, even in the winter and they were fine (they had a proper hutch attached to the run so they were cosy in there). And I used to have a house rabbit that happily skipped about in the snow in winter days then came inside at night to doze on the sofa and steal biscuits.

My newly single GP is in this winter. She is sitting under the bloomin' radiator toasting herself . The odd tiny poo and bit of hay are a small price to pay for knowing she is ok this winter. She can go back in the shed overnight come April, by which time she should have a new piggy friend to keep her company.

MrsL123 · 09/01/2010 21:52

I haven't seen those fleece nests, I'll have a good look for one tomorrow when I go to PAH, it sounds ideal. I've got one of those snuggle safe heat pads but I'm currently waiting for a new cover to arrive in the post, as they ate the last one! I don't want to put it in bare incase it burns her, and if I wrap it in a tea towel she just pulls it off! Did I mention she's quite naughty?!

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worleywinterwonderland · 09/01/2010 21:53

i brought my ds1's gpiggies in thursday, they have never come in before but as their water was freeezing up morning and night i decided to bring them in. i have a big plastic toy box all lined with paper was shsavings and straw and they have seemed quite happy, i think if they are used to being handled a lot they should me okay, they can hide under the straw if they want to. but it has to be better than being freezing out side. they have stayed in the bathroom as i can shut all the cats and dog out of their so they are completley safe, (i have an open plan kitchen/dining area/living area so they would be open to the dog and cats in there.

Meglet · 09/01/2010 21:53

whoosh that reads like you put your dog in the microwave

MrsL123 · 09/01/2010 21:57

Meglet I don't think bringing the rabbits in is an option, as much as I'd like to, as we simply don't have the space inside We've got two very big clumsy labradors and two cats in the house, so they couldn't be house rabbits as they'd end up getting squished by the dogs (or they'd hop out of the doggy door!) and there's no room to set up a big enough run for them. The rabbits seem pretty happy, they were sat out in their run earlier today on the snow enjoying a bit of sunshine, so the hutch probably feels centrally heated to them at the moment! But the piggy is definitely a concern

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whooosh · 09/01/2010 21:57

Meglet {shock]

Just to confirm,I did not put the puppy in the microwave!

Meglet · 09/01/2010 21:58

ok, I was just being a big softy worrying about them too

coleslaw · 09/01/2010 21:59

Why not bring the rabbits in too,just overnight then they won't all have to re- acclimatise to each other?

whooosh · 09/01/2010 21:59

Rabbits are native to cold climes,GPs are not.
MAybe bring her into the coolest part of the house until the temperatures reach a decent level-this could be just overnight to minimise the extreme in temp variation?

themachinist · 09/01/2010 22:01

Cardboard box to insulate inside hutch, a plastig igloo in the box, lots and lots of hay and newspaper in that, and a heat pad in there.

My two have been sat on theirs night and day - not ideal, but they obviously love it. My two bunnies (in separate hutch - both hutches in a shed, but still freezing inside) have a pad and seem to avoid it, they are hardcore. All seem to be ok so far, when you put your hand into the igloo it feels really really warm even when the rest of the cage is freezing. I think the heat builds up in there and stays like that.

You sounds very caring. I feel upset thinking of all of thise furries that are dying all over the country due to neglact in this weather.

Bless em.

MrsL123 · 09/01/2010 22:01

Lol - popcorn puppy!

I'm a big softy too, I'd have them on the sofa with me right now if I could! They probably wouldn't appreciate it though, they're not very sociable rabbits. Don't get me wrong, they're friendly enough and always come over to investigate when you're doing anything in the hutch, but they're quite happy cuddled up with each other without any pesky cuddles from she-who-brings-food!

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themachinist · 09/01/2010 22:04

excuse terrible typos, small laptop!

themachinist · 09/01/2010 22:08

Also, I have a hutch hugger, blankets and a duvet over the cage externally...

MrsL123 · 09/01/2010 22:14

Themachinist, I think the plastic igloo is a great idea, I'll have a look for one tomorrow and a fleecy thing to go inside it. The sleeping compartment is quite cosy as it's only about 10 inches high (creating a shelf above it, which is currently packed with hay to the roof for extra warmtht). But it's about 2 feet square so it's probably a bit roomy for her on her own, even when it's packed with hay. I had hoped that the rabbits would snuggle up in there with her, but they're not interested in it one bit.

Is your hutch hugger just the green waterproof one, or do you have the silver one too for underneath? We were going to buy the silver one, but it'd be an absolute pain to take the waterproof cover off now, as the run is screwed on through it, and we'd have to take the cat flap off too (we cut a hole in the cover and then fixed the catflap over the top of the fabric to secure the edges, IYSWIM). But I've heard the silver ones are really good at creating a 'micro climate' inside the hutch. I thought about putting a duvet over the top but I didn't want it to get wet (the fleece blankets dry really quickly). I also tried to get a sleeping bag from argos, thinking the polyester shell would give a bit of waterproofing incase we got caught out, but they were all sold out! Obviously everyone else needed a sleeping bag this weekend too

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MrsL123 · 09/01/2010 22:23

Just another quick question - is there any type of bedding we can use that is better than hay for warmth? She'd had the shredded paper type before, but I was wondering about that fleecy stuff that you get for hamsters? Or would that be dangerous if she eats it?

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whooosh · 09/01/2010 22:25

How about another "Scottish" guinea????

Beauregard · 09/01/2010 22:27

We gave ours some of that fleecy stuff once and they ate the lot

MrsL123 · 09/01/2010 22:29

Whooosh, don't tempt me! That idea has already crossed my mind, believe me - I've already been on the SSPCA website! But unfortunately I don't think the rabbits would accept a newcomer, they have all been together since they were babies so we didn't have any agression issues (and the rabbit are neutered, which helped), but I'm not sure how they'd react now.

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whooosh · 09/01/2010 23:16

I just have to say again how refreshing it is to have such a comassionate pet owner when so many gps and rabbits are forgotten because they are outside.....

WickedWitchSouthWest · 09/01/2010 23:29

hiya reading with interest...I have to young piggies outside, they have a 2 level hutch and I'm keeping them in the upstairs area at the mo as it has a seperate bedroom area. We also have the weatherproof cover. They're young and quite round but I still worry! Is this fleecy bedding quite easy to get hold of? i.e would a local pet shop stock it...also like MrsL what happens if they eat it?

Sari · 09/01/2010 23:57

You could get a heater. We had a 60 watt heater on the ground floor of our very large outdoor hutch but have now upgraded it to an 180 watt one while it is so cold and our three guinea pigs are extremely comfortable. It's a completely enclosed tube screwed inside the hutch out of their reach. I think dh bought it in somewhere like Screwfix. Only thing is it is quite expensive in electricity consumption but at least I don't have to worry about them freezing.

MrsL123 · 09/01/2010 23:59

WickedWitchSouthWest, I think most pet shops stock it - it's meant for hamsters and gerbils. It's made from vegetable fibres and looks just like candy floss! I do worry about the piggies eating it and it causing a blockage - although it'll probably break down pretty easily because it's veggie based, I suppose otherwise all the hamsters would choke! By morning our piggy has always eaten most of her bed anyway, so it doesn't seem to matter what it's made of!

I've been doing some googling and a lot of people seem to use fleece blankets as bedding. It says to wash them a few times with plain hot water (no powder or fabric softener) to get any coating off them before using them, but other than that any cheap polyester fleece will do. We use them a lot for the dogs because they don't really absorb moisture and dry really quickly, so I suppose it makes sense to use them for piggies! We always get ours from Primark (£1.50 each) and they're a decent size, so for guineas you could cut them into a few bits to get your money's worth (it doesn't fray).

I think I'll go and buy an igloo tomorrow (just found one on the PAH website which has a bottom to it, so it's like a proper house instead of just the top bit) and fill it with a bit of fleece blanket to make a cosy bed. As it has a plastic bottom, it also means I can sit it on top of the bare heat pad without worrying about it burning her. And if she doesn't like the igloo, she'll still have the rest of the sleeping box full of hay to use. I'll probably pack some hay or an old towel around the top and sides of the igloo too for extra warmth, and hopefully that will see her though the cold weather.

I'm still torn about bringing her in though... I really hope when I go out in the morning the hutch is nice and toasty and the water isn't frozen - thr hutch is starting to look like the mitchellin man with all the padding and blankets!

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